Air tank accidently filled with oxygen?

*Please skip to the end (2nd to last paragraph) if you just want to see my question.

Just today I had went to my local scuba shop to have my 98cf carbon fiber fill tank refilled, just as I have a few other times. Yet today I was met with a valley boy surfer dude to perform the fill. As I waited my turn to arrange the fill, he had an uncanny memory and knew everyone that came in the shop by their first name, "DUDE". My turn came up and told him I was the one who called to get my airgun tank filled to 4500 psi and asked if he's able to do this now or if there were others ahead of me. "Oh Dude I can get it filled up in a couple minutes". Really (eyebrows raised), I guess I'll wait then. Knowing the last time I had this done here, it took about an hour. So I was rather surprised how quick this could be done. 

He took the tank to their fill area in the back of the shop, which was still within my view. I could see him sort of scratching his head tinkering around with my tank and even removed the pressure relief valve knob as if to try and connect an adapter there to fill it. I saw this and politely asked, oh I didn't know you fill the tank through the relief valve. "Oh yeah dude" as he laughed screwing it back on. He then fumbled around grabbing and looking at different adapters with a confused demeanor, and also reached for different hanging hoses and dials as if he was trying to figure which one to use. He then gets on the phone to call someone to ask them how he should go about filling the tank. After the call, by my new first name, he apologized, telling me it's probably going to take about 30 to 40 minutes to fill it to 4500 psi and that I can come back later to pick it up. So I reluctantly opted to leave him with the tank and ran some errands. I called after 40 minutes and was told he was having some problems getting it to 3000 psi and was going to try something else or a different adapter and to give him another 30 to 40 minutes.

To to keep this already long post, less longer, I returned to pick up my tank, to find out that he was only able to get about 3k psi in it. He apologized and said there would be no charge and I could bring it back tomorrow or another day to have someone else fill it up. As I drove home, I mentally revisited the whole event in my mind as a truck full of oxygen tank pulled up next to me, while we waited for the light to change. For some reason, I could not get it out of my head wondering if this guy could have accidently put oxygen in my tank. And for obvious reasons had this impending doom I couldn't shake if this was the case. No amount of googling helped me resolve this mystery.

So I'm hoping someone here in AGN that's in the know can inform me if it is remotely possible for a "dude" with a head full of air and a Bill & Ted accent, to accidently fill my air tank with oxygen? For the life of me I could not find the answer anywhere on the web. And now I'm terribly afraid to use this tank, or connect it to my booster pump to fill up my pcp's until I can confirm whether filling it with oxygen is easily possible, or not. 

Any help on this topic will allow this dude to get some sleep and be at peace shooting the air out of my pcp's. Thanks...
 
Never underestimate an idiot they are ingenius. Test it. Should be able to google a moderately safe test. Oxygen is very slightly heavier than air. Something like crack valve and fill metal coffee cup (no wind or fans). Close valve put tank away. Light candle bring it near cup if it flares then oxygen...... RESEARCH before trying anything. THIS IS AN EDUCATED GUESS REQUIRING MORE RESEARCH.
 
You may want to call the shop, ask for the owner or a supervisor and ask if they even have the capability of filling tanks with oxygen? If they don't have the capability of filling oxygen, that could releave a lot of your concerns, and you could just go back and have a competent employee top it off!

Oxygen tanks reguire warning labels! I understand the idiot Dude who filled probably has no clue of the hazards associated with oxygen or the requirements to positively identify it and affix the appropriate warning labels to your tank!

If they do have the capability to fill oxygen tanks, then I would be concerned it might have been accidentally filled with oxygen instead of air! In this case, since there was no charge, I would probably just empty it and return another day when a competent individual was running the compressor and have it refilled. I would also let the owner or supervisor know about the clueless Dude before he gets someone seriously hurt or killed!
 
I'd purge it, nothing worse than worrying when the solution is so simple. All you are out is time and some fuel, don't turn it into a broken airgun or trip to the hospital.



Buy a Yong Heng and compress at home? Not sure it is an option, but maybe.



I'd also want to check out the tank and see why he couldn't get it above 3000psi, who knows what he did. You may find he let a ball bearing valve roll out or some other issue while you weren't watching. Check it carefully before having it filled again. Just another reason to take it outside and purge it.
 
Never underestimate an idiot they are ingenius. Test it. Should be able to google a moderately safe test. Oxygen is very slightly heavier than air. Something like crack valve and fill metal coffee cup (no wind or fans). Close valve put tank away. Light candle bring it near cup if it flares then oxygen...... RESEARCH before trying anything. THIS IS AN EDUCATED GUESS REQUIRING MORE RESEARCH.

They are indeed. I spent much too long on google, duckduckgo et al., trying to find any info about this. One of which was to see if compressed air adapters are completely different or incompatible with oxygen fill connections, rendering it impossible to put O2 in an air tank. Thanks for your reply and suggestions, however I'm pretty sure I don't want to try and light up any oxygen, but that's just me.
 
Just crack the valve open a little bit and let whatever is in the tank (most likely air) out?

There's only 3K in there so it's not like it would be all that useful to you anyway.


Thanks for replying. Letting what ever is in the tank may be a last resort. For now I'm just trying to learn if it is even possible to put O2 in an compressed air tank? Actually, 3K PSI is still very useful with my Extreme booster pump. Even if my tank had around 2k PSI in it, with my booster pump, I can still fill a couple pcp's to 3K+ psi or possibly one fill to 4.5K. It's a great little, electric free device to use up most of your tanks air between refills!
 
You may want to call the shop, ask for the owner or a supervisor and ask if they even have the capability of filling tanks with oxygen? If they don't have the capability of filling oxygen, that could releave a lot of your concerns, and you could just go back and have a competent employee top it off!

Oxygen tanks reguire warning labels! I understand the idiot Dude who filled probably has no clue of the hazards associated with oxygen or the requirements to positively identify it and affix the appropriate warning labels to your tank!

If they do have the capability to fill oxygen tanks, then I would be concerned it might have been accidentally filled with oxygen instead of air! In this case, since there was no charge, I would probably just empty it and return another day when a competent individual was running the compressor and have it refilled. I would also let the owner or supervisor know about the clueless Dude before he gets someone seriously hurt or killed!


Thanks for taking the time to reply. Calling the shop later today when they open was one of my plans. I just thought I'd consult with the huge brain trust we have here on AGN to see if someone might personally know. Plus, if this surfer Dude did not know, he may not have been properly trained. Which if that were the case, I may not even be able to fully trust what info I garner from speaking to his manager, etc. I always like to get independent opinions. Well actually better yet, an experts knowledge who has personal experience in such matters. But I will be calling around to double & triple check all this out. And in the meantime, I definitely won't be using my tank for fills until I know for fact what's in my tank. I'm hoping and thinking the fill adapters have to be incompatible with each other to make it impossible to put O2 in a dry air tank. Certainly this has already been done I would think. I just couldn't believe I wasn't able to find out this information after an extensive web search on this topic. 
 
I'd purge it, nothing worse than worrying when the solution is so simple. All you are out is time and some fuel, don't turn it into a broken airgun or trip to the hospital.

Buy a Yong Heng and compress at home? Not sure it is an option, but maybe.

I'd also want to check out the tank and see why he couldn't get it above 3000psi, who knows what he did. You may find he let a ball bearing valve roll out or some other issue while you weren't watching. Check it carefully before having it filled again. Just another reason to take it outside and purge it.

If I can't confirm that only dry air is in my tank, safely purging it is indeed in the plan, thanks. Yea, a compressor is not an option, which is why I bought me the Extreme booster pump. As I said above, it's a great little device. Plus I don't shoot all that often and having the booster pump greatly extend times between fills. 

Yeah I thought is was very odd he couldn't get it up to 3K, when before I went to the same exact place there were able to fill it to 4.3K. I appreciate your advice, thanks...
 
As to the campatibility of filling a dry air tank with O2, you did mention how long it took for Surfer Dude to get it done, and he had to call around to figure out how to connect the tank! The ingenious little Surfer Dude may have rigged some set up to fill your tank with O2! This is scary not knowing for sure. I'm hoping when you talk to the shop they have no O2 or O2 capability at all in their shop! That would make things much easier for you, especially if all they had was just air! If not, and if the owner/supervisor wasn't there to witness what Surfer Dude actually put in your tank, the safest option at that point would be to set it in the middle of an open field and let it slowly drain off, then have it purged before adding more air. Hopefully, after explaining what happened, the owner of the Dive Shop will offer to make things right and do it all for you!
 
If the question is whether it is possible to put pure O2 into a scuba tank - the answer is "yes". 

THe traditional method of making "Nitrox" at a dive shop or open water dive operation involves filling standard 3000 psi tanks with a custom blended breathing gas comprised of between 21 and 36 % pure O2 with the remainder being Oxygen Clean Air (OCA).. The tank rental/filler vendor must have a "Mixed Gas Blender" license and end users must also be trained, prove certification and test their own tanks. However, the system is not "Dude Proof" and pure O2 lowers the ignition temperature of almost anything carbon based. Dangerous stuff.

Definitely contact the shop. They will have a tank tester that will tell you the percentage of O2 in the blend. It is the same tool that you, the end user, are supposed to use to check your fill before leaving the shop or strapping on the tank.
 
I used to dive and worked part time in a dive shop for ten years. There’s a 40% rule that was to be strictly followed, industry wide, regardless of industry. Anything that was going to see O2 at higher than 40% had to be completely disassembled down to the piece part level and O2 cleaned. O2 cleaning involved using certain cleaners like Crystal Simple Green and others like it approved for O2 service. Even the rinse water needed to be checked to assure all the Simple Green was removed.

I mixed my own Trimix (oxygen, helium and nitrogen) for several years without incident but it’s a completely different level of gas handling than just filling a tank with air.

Carbon fiber tanks fill much much slower than aluminum or steel scuba tanks. They heat up very quickly and easily compared to aluminum and steel because they are so much thinner walled.

Between your tank and your rifle, there could be any kind of lubricants that are fuel to an oxygen fire. If it is oxygen, surfer dude is very lucky to be alive. He would have had to do some real jury rigging to get your scba plumbed to the oxygen whip in the shop, not impossible by any means but determined on his part. Clearly he’s not trained on the equipment.

Some years back Sandia Laboratories out west determined, via testing, that there was absolutely nothing that they weren’t able to light up with pure oxygen, bricks, concrete, asbestos, ceramic, you name it, they lit it up. As the percent of oxygen increases, the lower the potential ignition temperature.

Best of luck to you. There’s probably not another dive shop close by to switch to but I’d look into it.

Randy


 
The big red flag here is the "magical" 3000psi max fill pressure!

That is also the industry max for O2 gas: https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/mining/UserFiles/works/pdfs/2017-111.pdf



If all else fails then purge it and get it refilled, the problems if filled into a rifle are real as there is multiple points along the air passage that is greased up and they will ignite if the rifle is fired.

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2008/01/can-nitrogen-be-used-in-pcps/

See page 2 for pics

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=16883.20
 
just release all gas in tank and start over. Be careful to keep discharge gas away from everything. I deal with aircraft oxygen systems and most GOX (gaseous oxygen systems) are rate for 1800 psi. Iron or ferrous compounds are not allowed in systems, nor oil, etc. Just vent in safe area and get refilled. Oxygen connections are green so if you see him fill from tanks, be sure none of the connections are green. 
 
FLGunner, JW652, RCS9250, Chickenthief, & FW-190, et al. Thanks for taking the time to read and respond to my questions about this matter. They were very helpful and greatly appreciate the brain trust of forum members here. I did finally get to speak with the dive shop manager and was informed that this shops oxygen fill area is in a completely different area of the shop, apparently located behind her office. And that none of the fill in staff members are allowed to conduct such fills. Of course that doesn't mean someone can't attempt it, but extremely unlikely. Also the reason suffer dude wasn't able to get it up to 3k psi was that the air banks they have were low that day and would have been impossible to do a >3 or 4k psi fill until they replenish them.

I apologize for the false alarm, but I really had no idea what was going on, if it was possible to do and as someone who is fairly new to all this, I was not going to take any chances, which is why I turned to you good folks. I still have much to learn and this was yet another step in my learning process. Chickenthief, I have started looking into the links and info you forwarded. Thanks, I really appreciate your providing me this. And RCS and JW's expertise was very informative! I don't think there is such a thing as having too much good information.

This is a great sport and this community makes it that much better! Much thanks to you all, and for what it's worth I did put in an "Accuracy" vote for each of you above...


 
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