AGT Uragan

[Smok3y]

What's the deal with the Uragan needing a riser mount? Is there any MOA built into the factory rail?

I don’t get it either. I’ve had two Uragans, and didn’t need a riser for either. If you need the scope higher, you can just get higher rings. You could get adjustable rings or also get a one piece mount with MOA built in. 

For me, I liked the rings fairly high, and used a Badger 1 piece mount with 20 MOA built in. I think they were 1.35” high. Pretty sure that is also as high as Eagle Vision rings are.

 

[Peskådot671]

What's the deal with the Uragan needing a riser mount? Is there any MOA built into the factory rail?

I assume it's more related to ergonomics? Helps get the scope up for a more comfortable sight picture. Unless you're reaching way way out there, I don't think you really need a 20 MOA rail (with my .22 at 45fpe it's only 3.6mil to 100yd).

In my experience with a SWFA 3-15 in Vortex low mounts, I have no problem getting a comfortable sight picture by just adjusting the buttpad. Different people are built differently though.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say it's because the rail is not continuous? It might mess with scope ring mounting locations just by looking at it.

 

[douger]

fx high rings are perfect 

 

[riazp]

No Idea why it double posted...

 

[riazp]

ADM, Warne, Athlon, UTG make one piece mounts of various quality and price ranges, while Eaglevision and FX offer good two piece options, 20 MOA does make 100 yards and over easier on the scope if you dial or if you want to find a zero point that’s more in the middle of the scope turret range

 

[AirgunnerPCP]

What's the deal with the Uragan needing a riser mount? Is there any MOA built into the factory rail?

I assume it's more related to ergonomics? Helps get the scope up for a more comfortable sight picture. Unless you're reaching way way out there, I don't think you really need a 20 MOA rail (with my .22 at 45fpe it's only 3.6mil to 100yd).

In my experience with a SWFA 3-15 in Vortex low mounts, I have no problem getting a comfortable sight picture by just adjusting the buttpad. Different people are built differently though.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say it's because the rail is not continuous? It might mess with scope ring mounting locations just by looking at it.

Possibly but I only see that being an issue if you have a scope with an integrated mount. Otherwise you just slide the rings back/forward on the scope tube and you're good to go. Maybe I'm missing something?

 

[FunGun]

Here is my .30 Uragan with a 20moa UTG rail same as or similar to the one zx10wall recommended. Here is the scoop. I shoot for precision at 100yds. To accomplish this I prefer to have the reticle as close to mechanical center via turret adjustment as possible. The 20 moa rail does that. I also prefer the 1/2 inch rise of the scope due to the rail for neck comfort and proper head/eye position. The design of the cheek weld lends to this addition since the weld area is the top line of the gun. Is there a negative aspect to this, sure. The scope is higher off the barrel line, scope cant becomes more of an issue, I use a level, not in the pic to compensate fo this. So there are always trade offs. If you like to shoot long distance and like to keep your turrets/reticles closer to mechanical center, the 20moa is a cheap solution for any rifle. Just my 2 cents. Be safe my friends.

 

[Blackpaw]

For the money I would would go with Eagle Vision infinity mounts vs FX, much better quality for the money plus the personal touches like the quality case the mounts come packaged in. I wasn’t impressed with the FX rings after seeing the Eagle Vision ones.

 

[Smok3y]

Here is my .30 Uragan with a 20moa UTG rail same as or similar to the one zx10wall recommended. Here is the scoop. I shoot for precision at 100yds. To accomplish this I prefer to have the reticle as close to mechanical center via turret adjustment as possible. The 20 moa rail does that. I also prefer the 1/2 inch rise of the scope due to the rail for neck comfort and proper head/eye position. The design of the cheek weld lends to this addition since the weld area is the top line of the gun. Is there a negative aspect to this, sure. The scope is higher off the barrel line, scope cant becomes more of an issue, I use a level, not in the pic to compensate fo this. So there are always trade offs. If you like to shoot long distance and like to keep your turrets/reticles closer to mechanical center, the 20moa is a cheap solution for any rifle. Just my 2 cents. Be safe my friends.

Agree with you for how much it helps, but the comment was that it was required. I just wanted people to know that it isn’t required. I don’t want people thinking they have to go buy one. Many guys on here would go do that before trying it out. It is a great inexpensive option for people that like high rings or want them to be high enough for the exact reason you mentioned, but definitely not required. I tried one as well, because I too like high rings for comfort and to reach out to 100, but I thought it was unnecessary in my case. My rings and mount were plenty. An even higher mount could have worked in the same way. But the rail is nice and cheap, and that is great!

 

[xsivone]

Thanks for the info from all of you. Almost ordered a riser but I have high limit mount already so I think I'm good there. Ordered it in a 25 caliber. Now the weight.

What is everybody getting for a shot count with the 25 cal with what pellets? Fps?

 

[FunGun]

Here is my .30 Uragan with a 20moa UTG rail same as or similar to the one zx10wall recommended. Here is the scoop. I shoot for precision at 100yds. To accomplish this I prefer to have the reticle as close to mechanical center via turret adjustment as possible. The 20 moa rail does that. I also prefer the 1/2 inch rise of the scope due to the rail for neck comfort and proper head/eye position. The design of the cheek weld lends to this addition since the weld area is the top line of the gun. Is there a negative aspect to this, sure. The scope is higher off the barrel line, scope cant becomes more of an issue, I use a level, not in the pic to compensate fo this. So there are always trade offs. If you like to shoot long distance and like to keep your turrets/reticles closer to mechanical center, the 20moa is a cheap solution for any rifle. Just my 2 cents. Be safe my friends.

Agree with you for how much it helps, but the comment was that it was required. I just wanted people to know that it isn’t required. I don’t want people thinking they have to go buy one. Many guys on here would go do that before trying it out. It is a great inexpensive option for people that like high rings or want them to be high enough for the exact reason you mentioned, but definitely not required. I tried one as well, because I too like high rings for comfort and to reach out to 100, but I thought it was unnecessary in my case. My rings and mount were plenty. An even higher mount could have worked in the same way. But the rail is nice and cheap, and that is great!

Hey smoky was not meaning to step on any toes...I just wanted to share what I did and what it looks like to install a 20 MOA rail, never said it was required or needed. Do you have a .30 cal Uragan? I can share that with the scope shown in my pic, either adjustable MOA rings or a MOA rail was required to put the POA same as POI. Just too much drop on the .30 cal 44.3gr to adjust with the turrets at 100yds....So in summary, I was not meaning to diminish your response but only to share what I did and why. Peace. Be safe friends.

 

[Smok3y]

Here is my .30 Uragan with a 20moa UTG rail same as or similar to the one zx10wall recommended. Here is the scoop. I shoot for precision at 100yds. To accomplish this I prefer to have the reticle as close to mechanical center via turret adjustment as possible. The 20 moa rail does that. I also prefer the 1/2 inch rise of the scope due to the rail for neck comfort and proper head/eye position. The design of the cheek weld lends to this addition since the weld area is the top line of the gun. Is there a negative aspect to this, sure. The scope is higher off the barrel line, scope cant becomes more of an issue, I use a level, not in the pic to compensate fo this. So there are always trade offs. If you like to shoot long distance and like to keep your turrets/reticles closer to mechanical center, the 20moa is a cheap solution for any rifle. Just my 2 cents. Be safe my friends.

Agree with you for how much it helps, but the comment was that it was required. I just wanted people to know that it isn’t required. I don’t want people thinking they have to go buy one. Many guys on here would go do that before trying it out. It is a great inexpensive option for people that like high rings or want them to be high enough for the exact reason you mentioned, but definitely not required. I tried one as well, because I too like high rings for comfort and to reach out to 100, but I thought it was unnecessary in my case. My rings and mount were plenty. An even higher mount could have worked in the same way. But the rail is nice and cheap, and that is great!

Hey smoky was not meaning to step on any toes...I just wanted to share what I did and what it looks like to install a 20 MOA rail, never said it was required or needed. Do you have a .30 cal Uragan? I can share that with the scope shown in my pic, either adjustable MOA rings or a MOA rail was required to put the POA same as POI. Just too much drop on the .30 cal 44.3gr to adjust with the turrets at 100yds....So in summary, I was not meaning to diminish your response but only to share what I did and why. Peace. Be safe friends.

Dude. We are totally cool!!! You didn’t step on my toes in any way, and I didn’t take anything you said in any way other than the helpful way in which it was stated. I hope you took my followup the same way.

I totally agreed with your analysis, and again was only referring to the first guy that said it was required (not you). I only want it to be clear, because several of us were trying to figure out why it was worded that way originally. The comment about it being required had people guessing the the odd slot in the pic rail may have caused an issue. I think most of us just agreed that it was “beneficial” to get the needed MOA. I just wanted to say there are several ways to get that adjustment and a rail is not required for it.

My Uragans have been in both 22 and 25 and I also said the same as you, adjustable rings or a base or mount with built in MOA should be used. I had to have 20 MOA in my mount to get the needed adjustment out to 100 as well.

 

[Peskådot671]

So I searched 4 different sites trying to get the specs on the Uragan. I was trying to find out if the scope rail has any MOA/slant built into the rail or not but couldn't find any info. If it doesn't, then I can see why you guys would recommend scope rings or a one piece scope mount with adjustable or fixed MOA/slant to aid in longer shots and not maxing out your elevation turret. 

I gotta say, it's one of my pet peeves when looking at purchasing a new gun is that it has built-in MOA/slant incorporated into the scope rail. It just makes things easier. Easier to zero, easier to make longer shots at distances over 100 yards, yada yada yada. In no ways is it a deal breaker but it's just one of those things that I wish more airgun manufacturers would consider incorporating. 

 

[octavius]

Just question regarding to 20MOA rail. Why the manufacturer already doesn't provide 20moa rail

They have some problem to do that in factory.... Taipan Veteran did it and everybody is happy. I think  

 

[riazp]

Thanks for the info from all of you. Almost ordered a riser but I have high limit mount already so I think I'm good there. Ordered it in a 25 caliber. Now the weight.

What is everybody getting for a shot count with the 25 cal with what pellets? Fps?

The gun comes tuned for the 34 grain .25 IMHO, I like the JSB 25 grainers at 905 ish FPS and get 100 ish shots from a 240 fill. You will need to tune the hammer spring for the lighter pellets, the gun likes some JB bore paste when new, my gun likes to be cleaned every 200 or so shots.

 

[Mikelo123]

I have a .30 on order from Talon Tunes along with the Huma regulator...It is being drop shipped to Derrick (ZX10WALL) who has chimed in on this post to have the Huma installed and get it dialed in for me...

I have numerous FX .30 shooters, from Impacts and Crowns to the Boss and Wildcats and they are great shooters. I decided on the Uragan as it gives a nice balance if power and shot count as well as ergonomics and wanted to try an Uragan, one brand I have never owned....In my experience pretty much any "high end" airgun chambered in .30 is going to give you good results more a matter of what blows your dress up style wise and what you want it to do....I am solely a pellet shooter so all the slug stuff doesn't mean much to me so as long as a 44 grain pellet hits where I am it I am happy...

My next .30 will most likely be the new Cricket and again Derrick will be getting that one before I ever lay eyes on it....He does whatever he does and the gun shows up on my porch, I mount the scope, aim and squeeze and smile....

Anyways... Will post my thoughts once I get my hands on it....I will say with as many .30 FX guns that I own and still ordering an Uragan .30 means there is something I am not getting out of my FX guns that I feel an Uragan will deliver.....Ha, not sure what that is just yet but we shall see!

Stay Well All,

Dr. Mike 

 

[douger]

my 22 cal sure is a shooter 18 gr at 920 ish for well over 180 shots per fill 

 

[Nutcracker]

I really like my .25 Uragan , shoots 25 grain jsbs high 900s extremely accurate. But I really wished I would of went with the .22 compact. It is very heavy carrying around in the hills hunting. I have been carrying my Wildcat .22 the last few days & it seems so much lighter. I should not of bought such a heavy gun for the kind of hunting I do. I think I only had it in the woods two day since new. Great gun, probably one of the best, just heavy. 

 

[TacticalAnt]

Here is my .30 Uragan with a 20moa UTG rail same as or similar to the one zx10wall recommended. Here is the scoop. I shoot for precision at 100yds. To accomplish this I prefer to have the reticle as close to mechanical center via turret adjustment as possible. The 20 moa rail does that. I also prefer the 1/2 inch rise of the scope due to the rail for neck comfort and proper head/eye position. The design of the cheek weld lends to this addition since the weld area is the top line of the gun. Is there a negative aspect to this, sure. The scope is higher off the barrel line, scope cant becomes more of an issue, I use a level, not in the pic to compensate fo this. So there are always trade offs. If you like to shoot long distance and like to keep your turrets/reticles closer to mechanical center, the 20moa is a cheap solution for any rifle. Just my 2 cents. Be safe my friends.

In addition to the .5” riser, how tall is your one piece scope mount?

 

[TacticalAnt]

I have a .30 on order from Talon Tunes along with the Huma regulator...It is being drop shipped to Derrick (ZX10WALL) who has chimed in on this post to have the Huma installed and get it dialed in for me...

I have numerous FX .30 shooters, from Impacts and Crowns to the Boss and Wildcats and they are great shooters. I decided on the Uragan as it gives a nice balance if power and shot count as well as ergonomics and wanted to try an Uragan, one brand I have never owned....In my experience pretty much any "high end" airgun chambered in .30 is going to give you good results more a matter of what blows your dress up style wise and what you want it to do....I am solely a pellet shooter so all the slug stuff doesn't mean much to me so as long as a 44 grain pellet hits where I am it I am happy...

My next .30 will most likely be the new Cricket and again Derrick will be getting that one before I ever lay eyes on it....He does whatever he does and the gun shows up on my porch, I mount the scope, aim and squeeze and smile....

Anyways... Will post my thoughts once I get my hands on it....I will say with as many .30 FX guns that I own and still ordering an Uragan .30 means there is something I am not getting out of my FX guns that I feel an Uragan will deliver.....Ha, not sure what that is just yet but we shall see!

Stay Well All,

Dr. Mike 

Hey Dr. mike, I have just received my .30 Uragan, and setting it up to shoot. This is my first air rifle not counting my Sheridan pumper I had a s a kid. Just curious how you feel about the Uragan now that you have had it a while, and comparing to the others you mentioned?

stay free,

chris