AGT Uragan King 25 + Altaros ATP 49.5gr slugs

It's usually cold and windy here where I live at 6640' elevation but the wind wasn't too bad today at 2-6 mph as well as somewhat warm at 41-43 degrees. So I thought why not try those Altaros slugs but it was 1:00 before it warmed up enough and I got to it.

All these are 5 shot groups done at 50Y and wind was switching back and forth because it was coming from behind me but mostly from 4 o'clock.

I didn't clean this barrel because I was getting a late start though I only had 20 or so of these same slugs through this rifle a couple weeks ago as well as not quite that amount of 29gr and 34gr NSA's. I'm gonna say 50 slugs through the gun before I started today.
From what I was told by someone that has a lot of experience tuning these guns the twist rate is 1-17". If you have a slower twist barrel meant for pellets I doubt these will stabilize enough.
I used a slight amount of a product for lubrication called Gunzilla sprayed onto a foam pad from a pellet tin and rolled the slugs around on it.
These slugs go into the chamber easy so another thousandth larger in diameter might help improve precision but that will have to be looked at later??

I misplaced part of my chronograph somewhere and looked around but couldn't find it - darn it?! All I can point out for a velocity comparison for now is the the NSA 29gr go 925 fps. Only a SWAG but these 49.5 gr slugs are probably around 800 fps, maybe less?? I'll update the velocity here when I know for sure.

A couple weeks ago I went to a friends house and for whatever reason I didn't have great success with these slugs. I think the bench was a little tall for me because I never got very comfortable but who knows ?? because sometimes airguns shoot well and sometimes they don't. This is all a mystery to me which seemingly will never be solved.

Nevertheless these shot plenty acceptable today with no flyers.
The NSA's, both weights I mentioned, shoot pretty much the same as these Altaros slugs did.
I shot laying down on the concrete using the stuff in the photo.
For the fun of it look for the slug laying on the scope, its there.
The white bull on the target is 1" and groups were measured CTC.
I was happy with the results.

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Looks.pretty accurate and consistent... Good Shooting
Thanks.

I'll try these slugs out farther when a get a chance and report back. I doubt the .21 G1 BC is there at 800-ish fps so I'm thinking its more like .19 which is still HUGE compared to most slugs and 4 times what most of the heaviest pellets are.

Anybody have experience on how much power you got out of a Uragan 25 cal like mine and suggestions/links on mods to achieve the most power.
I'm temped to order a more powerful gun to shoot these slugs depending how much power I can get out of this one. I'd be fine with 900-950 fps.
 
I’d say closer to 700 fps Steve. If your gun is at about 55 FPE with the 29 grain NSA than correlates to just over 700 fps with the 49.5 grain slugs.
Incoming! Mortar shots at any longer distance…. 🤪
950 fps is about 100 FPE. Not sure but maybe a full bore highly modified Impact? Or the 700mm Vulcan3 power tuned?
Maybe Derrick could get you close to 850 fps with that gun you have…
 
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I’d say closer to 700 fps Steve. If your gun is at about 55 FPE with the 29 grain NSA than correlates to just over 700 fps with the 49.5 grain slugs.
Incoming! Mortar shots at any longer distance…. 🤪
950 fps is about 100 FPE. Not sure but maybe a full bore highly modified Impact? Or the 700mm Vulcan3 power tuned?
Maybe Derrick could get you close to 850 fps with that gun you have…

Thanks Mike for the advice. You'd know more than I would about where the velocity should be.

I'll bring the gun out to my friends place tomorrow and shoot it over his chrono and report back with the true velocity.

As usual I'm not sure which way to go. Hmm maybe I should step up to a more powerful gun like a U2 or V3 rather than maxing out this gun. Except this gun has always shot so well I'd be conflicted selling it. I do love shooting about 100 shots before I have to fill again with this rig.

I kinda like that Epoch but I'll have to wait to see how well it does with slugs when the slug barrels come out.
 
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Pretty nice weather today with wind about 2-5mph.

Ha, Mike, you were right! The dope backed down correctly to 720 fps and a little faster than that velocity using the chrono which was showing 711 fps. The actual dope was 4.2 mils to 100Y from a 50Y zero.

The glancing hit on the left edge of the steel was my first shot trying to get on steel. Then aimed right some and shot this first and only 5 group using these slugs at 100Y which is around 3/4"!

I got right to the 125Y, 150Y, and 200Y steel. Super easy to hit them! Man I could really tell a difference in wind drift compared to the NSA 29gr I usually shoot out of this gun. Normally in the same type of winds using the 29gr NSA with a .075 BC I would miss more by shooting off to the left or right edge of the steel. Not so today with these Altaros slugs which were the opposite and the vertical spread was better. This was very apparent at 200Y on the steel donkey we shoot at. In fact once I found out where I was hitting vertically I rarely missed, "edit, in other words I could tell a major difference in wind drift". It was an eye opener and so awesome seeing that BC manifest in actuality!
That donkey is 5" from belly to back.

My ballistic app shows 2.4 mils of windage needed for a 5 mph full value wind at 200Y for the 29gr NSA but only .7 mils using the Altaros slugs!!! That's a BIG difference.

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Very nice shooting.
Until the shooter not see with his own eyes the difference when using a multiple times higher ballistic coefficient, he usually does not realize how fundamental it is. That suddenly he can go shoot even in significantly stronger wind and still have a decent chance of hitting. Also with the same wind, shooting is much much easier and significantly less flustered if the wind changes significantly.
It has one catch, usually no one wants to go back to the original slugs/pellets, because the difference is fundamental ;-)

ATP slugs often improve vertical dispersion, even though they are significantly slower, as in this case. This is due to the fact that they achieve a better consistency of muzzle velocity in a given rifle and at the same time have a more stable BC (smaller difference in % BC between individual slugs). At longer distances they slow down less due to the higher BC, so from a certain distance the total flight time can even be shorter than with lighter slugs.
Of course, the opposite situation can also occur, especially if the rifle already has a bad consistency, then a significant slowdown can worsen the vertical consistency. In most cases, however, this parameter will improve not make worst.

Example:
everyone claims how important it is to have the highest possible MV especially when shooting at a long distance . Well my most used (the most accurate) rifle is the M24 .25 where I use the ATP King .25 and the rifle is extremely accurate up to 500 yards, beyond that it loses and it is better to use another my rifle at .22. But this is due to the fact that it has a muzzle velocity only of 245 m/s = about 800 fps.
MV is not the most essential element for shooting at a long distance. Consistency in muzzle velocity ( SD ), ballistic coefficient ( BC ), and ballistic coefficient variation ( % BC) are most critical.
In addition, as it has been well known to some for many years, the bullet's (slugs) drags to wind changes with bullets speed, and a speed of around 1000fps is definitely not the most suitable for achieving the smallest possible side deviation.

Those who are trying to get to the largest possible MV do so only because their set-up (rifle and slugs) achieve a bad consistency of muzzle velocity (bad for me is anything above SD 1 fps) and the only way to improve the vertical spread is to increase the muzzle velocity , they have no other option.