AEAC - FX Impact M3 Tuning Guide (interesting pre-video learning shared here)

I've begun probing the FX Impact M3 for learning nuggets out ahead of my upcoming YouTube M3 tuning guides. The learning I discover, I'll share here as I go, as a resource for new tuners seeking information on how to tune the M3. Experienced tuners, please feel free to chime in and share your victories too. Tuning is as much an art as it is a science. There are many good tuners out there and many good ways to go about it.

Right out of the gate, I sought an easier approach to tuning the M3. One which would streamline my time in the chair and reduce pellet consumption along the way. My previously published YouTube tuning guides on the Maverick, Dreamline, Crown Continuum, Avenger, Avenger Pup, Redwolf, and Atomic taught me that perfect tune searching can be taxing on both the soul & pocketbook, so coming up with an "easier way" for this new guide has been a priority. Side note: Going forward, AEAC Tuning Guides will be published on the main channel, AEAC Home, and no longer on AEAC Vlog.

Right out of the gate, I ran a baseline chart for the M3 Compact (300cc bottle & 500mm liner) to see how Sweden had set it up. The takeaways for me are that Sweden likes a 90 bar reg for good all-around power & efficiency with an 18gr out of this configuration. That's important to note as we go forward and explore the lower limits of the aft reg on the M3, and lighter ammo. From the below, it's also clear that they like the gun set up with the Power Adjuster (PA) on 16, presumably because this is what the majority of their customers want. Personally, I've always sought to tune the FX's to more of a "middle point" on the wheel. Below is my M3's baseline run as it came out of the box.

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After running a base line, I was curious about the relationship between the PA wheel and the QTS micro adjuster, as well as how low I could get reg 2 to run reliably. So, I came up with the below. It's a simple 80 shot evaluation of the above described and to my surprise, it revealed an interesting anomaly. If you'd like to run the test on your M3, simply take 5 shots at each PA setting (16 down to 1) while keeping the QTS reset to #3 with each new PA setting. Keep the Valve Adjuster (VA) on max-open for the run. It's also good when exploring the lower limits of a reg to keep your bottle pressure in a reasonable window like 225-150 bar or so. I've found that sometimes, regs get goofy near their lower limits (although not with this one) and can produce unreliable results when the pressure on them is at the two extremes. It's also good when running low reg pressure to allow the system a few seconds to take a breath in between shots. I like 5-10 seconds. Once done with your test, enhance your chart's magnification to around 50 fps total, so that you can see what's going on. Here's what I got:

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The above test (I'm calling the Power Adjuster Flat Spot Search Tool) revealed an enhanced performance zone between the PA settings of 8-10 when running a 70 bar reg and while shooting a 16gr. Velocity clearly ran much tighter for me in this 15-shot zone. I posted the initial results here on AGN in another post (admittedly with overenthusiasm and without a full understanding) and ruffled some member-feathers. The outrage encouraged me to slow down, consult with Sweden about the find, and take a more in depth look at this phenomenon. Sweden had the below to say when I shared the above with them... it was a phone conversation, some of which I'll quote and some of which I'll paraphrase.

These test results are "intriguing & exciting," and that you may have "discovered a hack that could be quite useful in locating a mechanical sweet spot in a gun's overall system-mechanics... a sweet spot where PW & QTS interact with a bit less resistance, hence offer enhanced performance." Sweden theorized that by running this test, one could easily locate & identify this theoretical system sweet spot, and perhaps build upon its usefulness. For now, they are calling the data "undeniable." After the holiday vacation, Sweden will run my "flat spot search tool" test in an effort to better understand it. I'll catch up with them afterwards and share what comes of it.

Moving forward from the find, I decided to exploit my discovered 70 bar, 16gr flat zone anomaly and run an entire chart at that PA #9 sweet spot. I was rewarded with the below which for tracking purposes at this point, I'm calling Eco Tune 1. Bearing in mind that I had performed NO other searching around for ideal settings other than having run my initial flat spot search tool, I kinda had an oh sh*t moment and thought to myself. "Dang, that's a very decent usable shot chart... and this flat spot search tool test could be a useful method for others to simplify M3 tuning."

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Wanting to evolve Eco Tune 1 into something more field worthy, I slowly worked the Valve Adjuster in a 1/4 turn at a time, searching for further tightening of shot-to-shot velocity. This step trims any waste air, increases efficiency, and improves accuracy. As you do it, listen for the report to go from a "cough" to a "snick" or even a light "snick-ping." The change in sound means that you're "there" and probably in an improved area. The below Eco Tune 2 is what I took into the field with me last week to 50-yard film for the upcoming tuning guide... and the results were excellent, especially for a 16gr leaving at 850 fps and arriving 50 yards sway at 675-700 fps, in a 3-7 mph wind (multiple troll-strolls included) :). Note: the VA ultimately needed another 1/4 turn in to stabilize 50-yard accuracy, which super-validates the usefulness of this nifty device.

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Having validated the above methodology on film, I set out to retest my flat spot search tool again, but this time with an 80 bar reg instead of 70. The 80 bar test revealed yet another clearly visible 15-shot flat zone. Again, I exploited this enhanced performance zone to quickly & efficiently come up with another good tune for the M3. I'm calling this latest discovery, Eco Tune 3, and its numbers suggest some serious system-harmony.

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For me, this discovery and its apparent system-sweet-spot-hack has me quite encouraged. I'm very much enjoying the speed & simplicity of getting to the result, as well as field-validating the accuracy that came via the new approach. As soon as the rain clears, I'll fine tune Eco Tue 3 via the VA, then get back out there at 50 to film-validate it for the upcoming YouTube AEAC M3 tuning guides. Then, hop on the 18gr... then on to the max power extraction stuff.

As I come across these learning nuggets, I'll share them here on AGN and on AEAC Instagram, "hookedonair" first... out ahead of the video, so you guys don't have to wait.

Enjoy and happy tuning 😊
Steve
 
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Steve I always thought the Big Wheel with 1-16 was called the Macro Wheel and the slide wheel was called the Micro Wheel and also the Valve adjustments were described by the lines on the stem (i.e. my valve is turned out to line 4 or line 3 1/2)
All sounds right to me... Did I mess the description up somewhere? Lol.

If you're referencing the 'Power Adjuster," wording, that's the term the owner's manual is using, so I just went with it. The manual I got refers to it as the "Rear Macro Power Adjuster." Maybe it's new wording?

In my head, I just call it a "Power Wheel"
thingamabob 😄

The Micro Adjuster is called the QTS on the gun I got (Quick Tune System)... it's Lazer etched on the receiver.

Valve Adjuster is what they're calling the rebound limiter with the lines you describe. Just shy of 4 lines is where I got the "3.90" 👍

Steve
 
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Can you do some tests with slugs from 21 to 27Gr and share the best tunes.

If you are shooting 15Gr and 18Gr pellets with an M3 you could have bought a much cheaper gun to do the same job.
Hi Triggers

You are correct about a cheaper gun to do the same job for 18gr pellets. I have had a Crown in 177 for 4.5 years, but had some spare cash 18 months ago and decided I required a 22, and rather than purchase another Crown I bought an M3 for the heck of it.

At the moment, I am seriously considering selling the M3 (once the loss of velocity issue is fixed) and purchase a Crown in 22 for the metallic silhouette shooting that I do. The ergonomics of the Crown for offhand shooting is far superior and I consistently get better results with my 177 Crown. Put it down to experience - but I have had some fun with it - and hopefully, will not lose too much money if it sells.

Cheers
Matt
 
Hi Steve.

Excellent work and much appreciated.

I've had an M3 for 18 months, and recently for some reason it has lost velocity. Once I sort that out, I will definitely be following your tuning methodology as you have described. I shoot JSB 18.13s and will be aiming for 870fps.

Cheers
Matt

Hi Matt,

Thanks and glad it's been helpful!

Sorry to hear about your M3 getting sick... hopefully you'll be able to get her healthy again soon 😊

As soon as the storm moves through (25 mph winds this week 🙄) I'll field test/film the 16gr at 880, then will move on to an 18gr tune at 880. I'll share my results here.

Steve
 
Can you do some tests with slugs from 21 to 27Gr and share the best tunes.

If you are shooting 15Gr and 18Gr pellets with an M3 you could have bought a much cheaper gun to do the same job.
Haha agreed 🤣 on your 16/18gr sentiments... can't resist exploring those lower limits though, especially on an M3!!!

As always I'll be following the usual AEAC Tuning Guide standard of ECO/Pro/Power Tunes. Following an exploration of the 16gr, I'll move on to the 18, then on to the 25.4, then slugs👍.

Steve
 
Steve,
I want to make sure that I understand your PA and QTS adjustments. When you turn the PA, it slides the QTS bar left or right and that changes the hammer spring. If you start with the QTS on 3, change it with the PA, and then use the QTS to put it back on 3, you are not making any change to the hammer spring; so no change in velocity should be seen (as you demonstrate). I'm not seeing what you are changing that changes the velocity results.

Granted, the QTS adjustments are so fine that you may be a few clicks left or right of exactly 3. Isn't that what is really being measured when changing the PA and countering that change with the QTS?

I really appreciate your effort to help us learn.

Curtis
 
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I've begun probing the FX Impact M3 for learning nuggets out ahead of my upcoming YouTube M3 tuning guides. The learning I discover, I'll share here as I go, as a resource for new tuners seeking information on how to tune the M3. Experienced tuners, please feel free to chime in and share your victories too. Tuning is as much an art as it is a science. There are many good tuners out there and many good ways to go about it.

Right out of the gate, I sought an easier approach to tuning the M3. One which would streamline my time in the chair and reduce pellet consumption along the way. My previously published YouTube tuning guides on the Maverick, Dreamline, Crown Continuum, Avenger, Avenger Pup, Redwolf, and Atomic taught me that perfect tune searching can be taxing on both the soul & pocketbook, so coming up with an "easier way" for this new guide has been a priority. Side note: Going forward, AEAC Tuning Guides will be published on the main channel, AEAC Home, and no longer on AEAC Vlog.

Right out of the gate, I ran a baseline chart for the M3 Compact (300cc bottle & 500mm liner) to see how Sweden had set it up. The takeaways for me are that Sweden likes a 90 bar reg for good all-around power & efficiency with an 18gr out of this configuration. That's important to note as we go forward and explore the lower limits of the aft reg on the M3, and lighter ammo. From the below, it's also clear that they like the gun set up with the Power Adjuster (PA) on 16, presumably because this is what the majority of their customers want. Personally, I've always sought to tune the FX's to more of a "middle point" on the wheel. Below is my M3's baseline run as it came out of the box.

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After running a base line, I was curious about the relationship between the PA wheel and the QTS micro adjuster, as well as how low I could get reg 2 to run reliably. So, I came up with the below. It's a simple 80 shot evaluation of the above described and to my surprise, it revealed an interesting anomaly. If you'd like to run the test on your M3, simply take 5 shots at each PA setting (16 down to 1) while keeping the QTS reset to #3 with each new PA setting. Keep the Valve Adjuster (VA) on max-open for the run. It's also good when exploring the lower limits of a reg to keep your bottle pressure in a reasonable window like 225-150 bar or so. I've found that sometimes, regs get goofy near their lower limits (although not with this one) and can produce unreliable results when the pressure on them is at the two extremes. It's also good when running low reg pressure to allow the system a few seconds to take a breath in between shots. I like 5-10 seconds. Once done with your test, enhance your chart's magnification to around 50 fps total, so that you can see what's going on. Here's what I got:

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The above test (I'm calling the Power Adjuster Flat Spot Search Tool) revealed an enhanced performance zone between the PA settings of 8-10 when running a 70 bar reg and while shooting a 16gr. Velocity clearly ran much tighter for me in this 15-shot zone. I posted the initial results here on AGN in another post (admittedly with overenthusiasm and without a full understanding) and ruffled some member-feathers. The outrage encouraged me to slow down, consult with Sweden about the find, and take a more in depth look at this phenomenon. Sweden had the below to say when I shared the above with them... it was a phone conversation, some of which I'll quote and some of which I'll paraphrase.

These test results are "intriguing & exciting," and that you may have "discovered a hack that could be quite useful in locating a mechanical sweet spot in a gun's overall system-mechanics... a sweet spot where PW & QTS interact with a bit less resistance, hence offer enhanced performance." Sweden theorized that by running this test, one could easily locate & identify this theoretical system sweet spot, and perhaps build upon its usefulness. For now, they are calling the data "undeniable." After the holiday vacation, Sweden will run my "flat spot search tool" test in an effort to better understand it. I'll catch up with them afterwards and share what comes of it.

Moving forward from the find, I decided to exploit my discovered 70 bar, 16gr flat zone anomaly and run an entire chart at that PA #9 sweet spot. I was rewarded with the below which for tracking purposes at this point, I'm calling Eco Tune 1. Bearing in mind that I had performed NO other searching around for ideal settings other than having run my initial flat spot search tool, I kinda had an oh sh*t moment and thought to myself. "Dang, that's a very decent usable shot chart... and this flat spot search tool test could be a useful method for others to simplify M3 tuning."

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Wanting to evolve Eco Tune 1 into something more field worthy, I slowly worked the Valve Adjuster in a 1/4 turn at a time, searching for further tightening of shot-to-shot velocity. This step trims any waste air, increases efficiency, and improves accuracy. As you do it, listen for the report to go from a "cough" to a "snick" or even a light "snick-ping." The change in sound means that you're "there" and probably in an improved area. The below Eco Tune 2 is what I took into the field with me last week to 50-yard film for the upcoming tuning guide... and the results were excellent, especially for a 16gr leaving at 850 fps and arriving 50 yards sway at 675-700 fps, in a 3-7 mph wind (multiple troll-strolls included) :). Note: the VA ultimately needed another 1/4 turn in to stabilize 50-yard accuracy, which super-validates the usefulness of this nifty device.

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Having validated the above methodology on film, I set out to retest my flat spot search tool again, but this time with an 80 bar reg instead of 70. The 80 bar test revealed yet another clearly visible 15-shot flat zone. Again, I exploited this enhanced performance zone to quickly & efficiently come up with another good tune for the M3. I'm calling this latest discovery, Eco Tune 3, and its numbers suggest some serious system-harmony.

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For me, this discovery and its apparent system-sweet-spot-hack has me quite encouraged. I'm very much enjoying the speed & simplicity of getting to the result, as well as field-validating the accuracy that came via the new approach. As soon as the rain clears, I'll fine tune Eco Tue 3 via the VA, then get back out there at 50 to film-validate it for the upcoming YouTube AEAC M3 tuning guides. Then, hop on the 18gr... then on to the max power extraction stuff.

As I come across these learning nuggets, I'll share them here on AGN and on AEAC Instagram, "hookedonair" first... out ahead of the video, so you guys don't have to wait.

Enjoy and happy tuning 😊
Steve
Thank you Steve!
 
I’d like to make the case for why you shouldn’t follow this advice. First, as Curtis Nelson pointed out, if the QTS wheel is reset to the same value each time, there is no change to the hammer spring tension.

But moreover, if you adopt this method and use the power wheel in an attempt to eek out (what you believe to be, without any statistical merit) a “flat-spot” in ES, you will miss out on one of the best features of an M3, which is the ability to shoot a wide range of projectiles just by adjusting the power wheel.

For example, my M3 compact 22 has a standard liner and the only mod from stock is a lightly dremeled pellet probe. Tuning specs are listed below, if you’re interested. At power wheel setting 16, it shoots 23g Javelin slugs at 975fps. At power wheel setting 1, it shoots Hades at 830fps. In between those settings I can find sweet spots for a wide range of projectiles. This includes Zan slugs, which don’t shoot nearly as accurately as the Javelins at full power, shooting really well at 800 fps on power wheel setting 8! This provides a very effective option very quiet for quiet short range pesting. Moreover, I can shoot Hades, JSB18s, redesigns and low and high speed slugs all sub-MOA at some optimal power wheel setting (speed). This is the true beauty of the M3. With just a turn of the power wheel and a few clicks on the scope, I can go from plinking at 25 yards to taking out a pest in wind at 120.

Settings: reg1@175bar, reg2@160bar, barrel oriented to use slug port, QTS (aka: thumbwheel/micro) at 4.55 when power wheel is set at 16, valve adjuster at 4 lines. Note that valve adjustment is the most sensitive aspect of M3 tuning and least likely to translate the same result from one gun to another. Just start wide open and close it incrementally until you see a consistent 10fps drop.
 
I am new to the PCP world, but know I do not want to keep shelves of different pellets, slugs, and weight combinations on hand. I am looking for one combination that gives me the best accuracy and performance. (For me, accuracy means the tightest/smallest MOA group at all shooting distances, and performance equates to enough power to take down the local pests and game from small birds through coyotes and pigs.)

As long as the end result is accurate and powerful enough, I think the concept of locating the "sweet spot where PW & QTS interact with a bit less resistance, hence offer enhanced performance" is a great thing to tune for, and I thank "AEAC" for providing, perhaps, an easier way to go about it.
 
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I am new to the PCP world, but know I do not want to keep shelves of different pellets, slugs, and weight combinations on hand. I am looking for one combination that gives me the best accuracy and performance. (For me, accuracy means the tightest/smallest MOA group at all shooting distances, and performance equates to enough power to take down the local pests and game from small birds through coyotes and pigs.)

As long as the end result is accurate and powerful enough, I think the concept of locating the "sweet spot where PW & QTS interact with a bit less resistance, hence offer enhanced performance" is a great thing to tune for, and I thank "AEAC" for providing, perhaps, an easier way to go about it.
Then the FX Impact M3 is not for you.
 
I am new to the PCP world, but know I do not want to keep shelves of different pellets, slugs, and weight combinations on hand. I am looking for one combination that gives me the best accuracy and performance. (For me, accuracy means the tightest/smallest MOA group at all shooting distances, and performance equates to enough power to take down the local pests and game from small birds through coyotes and pigs.)

As long as the end result is accurate and powerful enough, I think the concept of locating the "sweet spot where PW & QTS interact with a bit less resistance, hence offer enhanced performance" is a great thing to tune for, and I thank "AEAC" for providing, perhaps, an easier way to go about it.
Of course, you should do you, but with more experience you will likely find that there is no magic bullet. A slug that works well to hit targets at 100+ yards can be dangerous for backyard plinking or pesting when it travels right through your quarry or backstop. Beside, I’m also making the point that this method makes no sense mechanistically, although it might be appreciated greatly by the vendors of pellets
 
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Hi Steve.

Excellent work and much appreciated.

I've had an M3 for 18 months, and recently for some reason it has lost velocity. Once I sort that out, I will definitely be following your tuning methodology as you have described. I shoot JSB 18.13s and will be aiming for 870fps.

Cheers
Matt
Check your c1, ensure that it hasn't come loose.
 
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I purchased a FX M3 last fall and have just been shooting it as it was set up at SPAW. So far it has been great, but I am looking forward to playing around a bit once the weather improves here in NE OH.

While all might not agree with your approach, findings, or presentation (I read through the earlier thread you referenced above), I at least hope all can appreciate the excitement you bring to the sport as well as your desire to share and collaborate.

Thanks for what you do and I’m looking forward to your upcoming video. Do you have a sense for when you might release that video?
 
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