Adjusting for different distances...

Hi,

I always wondered how you adjust your scope for shooting at different distances?! I have an idea, but I am not sure...

Lets say your scope is zeroed to 50 yards, and you now want to shoot a target at 100 yards, what do I need to do in order for my cross-hairs to be on target? Do I need to adjust those turrets or do I use the dots inside the scope? Both make kind of sense to me, but I feel like there should be a "better" and simpler solution, especially after watching this video here, where Ted talks about a new "revolutionary" way of adjusting for different distances on a scope?! If that new feature does what I think it does, I cannot imagine why it took the "scope industry" this long to figure this out?!

Thanks,

Kmd
 
First to adjust you have to know the trajectory of your projectile. There are also two different ways of measurement to adjust for the drop. One is called Milradians AKA Mil or Mil-dot. Then there is MOA Minute of angle. If you would like to learn how to adjust for shots you should first study these two kinds of adjustments then take it from there. Here are some videos explaining the two different angles.Understanding Minute of Angle (MOA) - Long Range ...Understanding Mils (Milliradians) - Long Range Shooting ...Yes they are hard to understand at first but once you get the hang of it its not to bad. You can learn the drop of your air rifle by ballistic calculators like strelok. First you will have to have some information like scope height speed and other things but those are explained in numerous other videos.
Now on to your second question why didn't they come up with this evolutionary scope in the first place. First that scope is designed for airguns. In long range shooting with firearms putting yardage tape on your turret isn't always going to be accurate. Temperature change and other things can affect your firearm bullet at long range. To compensate for this they have the turrets with the angle of measurements on them to be more precise. They can't just put a piece of tape on their turret and hope it works all the time. Since the scope is based for airguns they are not affected as much at say 100 yards. That means that the tape can be somewhat reliable and give you consistent hits if the tape is calibrated correctly. There is a disadvantage to it however, if your temperature changes drastically or you put the scope on a different rifle then you would have to change your tape every time. But once you have it set it will at least get you close. I hope this answers your question on why they didn't come out with that design sooner the Airgun community is growing and people are starting to take more notice in it, including scope manufacturers.
 
KyAirgunner is correct. You can either use the mildots on your reticle for different distances or click your turrets so your cross hairs are on target at different distances. You can also just set up targets at known distances and write down which dot is for which target and also how many clicks for each target. Of course this will change a little depending on wind and temp. etc. etc. but that information will get you very close.
 
"KYAirgunner"First to adjust you have to know the trajectory of your projectile. There are also two different ways of measurement to adjust for the drop. One is called Milradians AKA Mil or Mil-dot. Then there is MOA Minute of angle. If you would like to learn how to adjust for shots you should first study these two kinds of adjustments then take it from there. Here are some videos explaining the two different angles.Understanding Minute of Angle (MOA) - Long Range ...Understanding Mils (Milliradians) - Long Range Shooting ...Yes they are hard to understand at first but once you get the hang of it its not to bad. You can learn the drop of your air rifle by ballistic calculators like strelok. First you will have to have some information like scope height speed and other things but those are explained in numerous other videos.

I have seen those videos, but I was hoping for a more "convenient" method... : )

Now on to your second question why didn't they come up with this evolutionary scope in the first place. First that scope is designed for airguns. In long range shooting with firearms putting yardage tape on your turret isn't always going to be accurate. Temperature change and other things can affect your firearm bullet at long range. To compensate for this they have the turrets with the angle of measurements on them to be more precise. They can't just put a piece of tape on their turret and hope it works all the time. Since the scope is based for airguns they are not affected as much at say 100 yards. That means that the tape can be somewhat reliable and give you consistent hits if the tape is calibrated correctly. There is a disadvantage to it however, if your temperature changes drastically or you put the scope on a different rifle then you would have to change your tape every time. But once you have it set it will at least get you close. I hope this answers your question on why they didn't come out with that design sooner the Airgun community is growing and people are starting to take more notice in it, including scope manufacturers.

Copy that. Thanks for the detailed info...

EDIT: I watched Ted's video again and I understand better now, what he is talking about, in regards to the new scope. Still, this to me should have been invented ONE week after the scope itself was invented! 
I fly Drones. Not just the ones that come RTL (ready to fly), but the ones you have to completely build. When building a Drone, you take the props off every two seconds because when messing with the electronics, you don't want the damn thing to spool up on you and maul you, ha ha. Anyhow, it took me about three days of messing with my first Drone, to get really mad at having to screw and unscrew the damn props on and off. That is when I thought, "Why aren't there any quick release props?!" Fair enough, a year later they came out with them, and they are now pretty much standard on RTL Drones. 


That said. I am always shocked at how "lame" manufacturer actually are. Why does it take them so long before seeing the obvious? I mean, they work every day with that stuff, and someone should have thought of it. : )



 
"FastEddie"KyAirgunner is correct. You can either use the mildots on your reticle for different distances or click your turrets so your cross hairs are on target at different distances. You can also just set up targets at known distances and write down which dot is for which target and also how many clicks for each target. Of course this will change a little depending on wind and temp. etc. etc. but that information will get you very close.

So it kind of works the way I thought it would...

I believe that I would prefer the mildot method, as I do not have to "mess" with the turrets all the time, whenever the distance changes... I guess I find out once I can make up my mind on what rifle to get, ha ha.

Thanks,

Kmd





 
Thank you all for the input. 

After doing a few Google searches on the various subjects, I noticed that the pellet can drop quiet a bit when shooting at 100 yards. I guess one has to pick a distance to zero their scope at, and then "remember" what DOT's to use when shooting either closer or further away. Doesn't seem to complicated. However, I also came across those scopes that have a laser range finder build in. Are those recommended for the use with an Air Rifle? IT seems a bit overkill, on the other hand, it seems very practical?!

That said, how much of a pain is it to "learn", or "remember", what DOT in the scope represents what range? Can one get used to that very fast? Is it something that will get on ones nerves very fast? Or will it become second nature?

Thanks,

Kmd
 
I like dots or hash marks. I never try the cranking on the turret. That works well for some, but not me. Many shooters put a sketch of their reticle inside their flip up lens protector & have the dots or hash marks marked for distances. On a new scope & rifle set up you may have to do that, but it does not take much shooting time at variable distances until you remember. You become one with your weapon, now how cool is that?
 
You mean like the TERMINATOR?! Yeah, that is cool! LOL.

I have a GAMO Whisper Fusion Pro with the scope that came with it. I am just shooting around a little bit in the backyard, so I don't have any experience, really. However, I already know one thing... I am not going to be fooling around with the turrets! No way! I guess I am going to take the same approach as you, and many other did, and use the dots! Or get one of those scopes that does it for you...

Thanks,

Kmd

p.s. Is there a special term for those scopes, so I can start a thread about them?
 
"kris"MTC got a new range with the tape idea and they are geared too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoiD8vDy9Xs
Thank you pointing this out...

There is a video from Ted's Holdover where he talks about the same scope. I posted a link in my first post. That video is actually the reason I started this thread. It made my curious what the current way of adjusting for different ranges are...

Thanks,

Kmd

EDIT: I just noticed that the second video you posted is one I was referring to... : )
 
kmd1984 there is a simple way to see if it matters with the rifle you are using. You said yours is zero at 50 yards? So find a long cardboard box(I have used the over pack boxes that rifles come in). Place your target near the top of the box. Shoot a group at the target at 100 yards(of course the group will be well below the target). Then check the group size and see if your set up is accurate enough to shoot at 100 yards. If the group is something you are happy with then worry about all the details. And of course you can also pick a closer distance like 75 yards if you wish?
 
"Goodtogo"kmd1984 there is a simple way to see if it matters with the rifle you are using. You said yours is zero at 50 yards? So find a long cardboard box(I have used the over pack boxes that rifles come in). Place your target near the top of the box. Shoot a group at the target at 100 yards(of course the group will be well below the target). Then check the group size and see if your set up is accurate enough to shoot at 100 yards. If the group is something you are happy with then worry about all the details. And of course you can also pick a closer distance like 75 yards if you wish?
You must have misunderstood me. The 50 yards was just an example. I own a GAMO Whisper Fusion Pro, and the cheap scope that came with. That said, I am in the process of deciding what gear to get. FX Indy vs. FX Indipendence vs. FX Impact vs. I have no clue, Hawke Air Max vs. Bushnell Laser Rangefinder Mil-Dot Reticle 4-12x 42mm vs. Burris Eliminator III LaserScope 4-16x50mm vs. who knows what, ha ha. 

I am just trying to find out what gear is best for me...

Thanks,

Kmd 
 
"Goodtogo"Well then its simple? Keep asking questions and watching videos and have two checkbooks. :) My earlier post was more for someone just starting the air gun madness?
- Asking questions: Check!
- Watching videos: Check!
- Two checkbooks: Negative! Who the heck is still using checks, and why? : )
- Starting the air gun madness: Check!

: ) : ) : )