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Hi, I have purchased a Seneca Dragonfly MK2 from Airgun Depot. I saw on YouTube that people were very accurate with it. Looks great, easy to pump etc.. but for some reason my accuracy with this is not good at all. At 10 yards or so, I am getting a spread pattern that is silly. I am using a rest and scope and making sure that the gun does not move at all. What can be done to fix this? Crosman 2100 and Barra 1866 is much more accurate with same test.

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Not much information except for rifle type. I'm not at all familiar with that gun. In the YT videos you watched did they mention HOW they got them to shoot accurately? Pellet type/brand/weight & alloy can have everything to do with a particular gun's accuracy. Which ones have you tried? Have you cleaned the barrel. If you're only shooting 10 yds and THAT'S what your target looks like I'd return the gun & get something with a reputation for accuracy. But, as I said, it could be any one of a number of different things. Don't put too much stock in YouTube videos. They can be edited to make it look as though any gun is the most accurate in the world. Who knows how many misses or flyers were edited out.
 
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Not much information except for rifle type. I'm not at all familiar with that gun. In the YT videos you watched did they mention HOW they got them to shoot accurately? Pellet type/brand/weight & alloy can have everything to do with a particular gun's accuracy. Which ones have you tried? Have you cleaned the barrel. If you're only shooting 10 yds and THAT'S what your target looks like I'd return the gun & get something with a reputation for accuracy. But, as I said, it could be any one of a number of different things. Don't put too much stock in YouTube videos. They can be edited to make it look as though any gun is the most accurate in the world. Who knows how many misses or flyers were edited out.
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Thanks Gerry, in YT they seemed accurate out of the box after bore cleaning. So i cleaned the bore, and shot. Using Crosman Pointed & Wadcutters. Figured it doesnt matter much what ammo is used if I'm shooting at 10 yards. I've shot about 80 pellets out of it, and has not gotten better. it is 177
 
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Well... i feel dumb. Problem fixed. The picture is with 9 shots..

im new to air guns so when I purchased the PatchWorm and it came with 12 patches.. i used it all and thought 12 was the optimal number of patches to clean (because they sent 12 LOL). I've got covid and bored, so I just made a ghetto bore snake with yarn + cut up surgical masks, and ran 80+ surgical mask patches through the bore with Ballistol. It is still coming out dirty, but much better groups
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Well... i feel dumb. Problem fixed. The picture is with 9 shots..

im new to air guns so when I purchased the PatchWorm and it came with 12 patches.. i used it all and thought 12 was the optimal number of patches to clean (because they sent 12 LOL). I've got covid and bored, so I just made a ghetto bore snake with yarn + cut up surgical masks, and ran 80+ surgical mask patches through the bore with Ballistol. It is still coming out dirty, but much better groups
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Hello there,
Glad you identified and fixed the issue!
I just placed an order with Airgun depot as well.
I am a complete newbie and need some clarification on the process you've done on yours to get good results please.
What did you use PatchWarm for? Basically to get the dirt out of rifle bore?
Also did you have to take it apart in order to clean up the bore?
Thanks in advance
 
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Hello there,
Glad you identified and fixed the issue!
I just placed an order with Airgun depot as well.
I am a complete newbie and need some clarification on the process you've done on yours to get good results please.
What did you use PatchWarm for? Basically to get the dirt out of rifle bore?
Also did you have to take it apart in order to clean up the bore?
Thanks in advance
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Heya, I used the PatchWorm to clean the bore. I have read that manufacturer will sometimes put a lot of preserving grease inside the barrel. PatchWorm is just a thin flexible plastic rod that you put some cotton cloth through. People seem to do the same thing with lawn mower plastic whippy thing (sorry dont know what they are really called). No need to take the barrel out. I think normally, the bore isn't this dirty.. but this particular one came very dirty inside with sticky greasy stuff.

As for using it, i just youtubed and followed this video:

You can just watch 5 min mark to 6 min.
 
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Heya, I used the PatchWorm to clean the bore. I have read that manufacturer will sometimes put a lot of preserving grease inside the barrel. PatchWorm is just a thin flexible plastic rod that you put some cotton cloth through. People seem to do the same thing with lawn mower plastic whippy thing (sorry dont know what they are really called). No need to take the barrel out. I think normally, the bore isn't this dirty.. but this particular one came very dirty inside with sticky greasy stuff.

As for using it, i just youtubed and followed this video:

You can just watch 5 min mark to 6 min.
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Appreciate the prompt answer! Got it now :)
Just curious: did you get .177 or .22 (and what type of pellets you use)?
I am still on the edge which one to get :))
 
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Appreciate the prompt answer! Got it now :)
Just curious: did you get .177 or .22 (and what type of pellets you use)?
I am still on the edge which one to get :))
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I got the .177 because I was given a bunch of pellets. They are all the cheapest pellets possible you find on Amazon, the Crosman Pointed and Wadcutters. I'm trying to spend as little money as possible on this hobby for now.. I just started.

But please know that I shot those groups at a pretty close range at 10 yards, using a rest. I believe cheap guns shoot as accurate. I am not regretting my purchase.

The things I like about the Dragonfly Mk2:
- Looks really nice, feels nice
- Has a magazine (but comes with just one)
- I got a moderator to fit, and it comes with a threaded barrel to put the moderator on
- Accurate to shoot, but at my distance, everything is accurate.

Things I do not like:
- It is not very easy to pump. The Barra 1866 is definitely easier to pump. It is because Dragonfly takes force to pump in both directions. A normal pumpers take almost no effort on opening, but closing action compresses air and takes effort on closing action only. Dragonfly requires force when you to open the pump arm all the way out (it will NOT pump if you do not open the pump arm all the way) and closing both. You do not have to close the pump fully. But it is easier to pump than Crosman 2100.

I only have three air guns and they are all multi-pump guns, because I need to be able to have variable power

Dragonfly Mk2 = my fav. It shoots well, looks great, but slightly hard/awkward to pump. Metal + wood, very little plastic shown. Quiet with moderator($200+)
Barra 1866 = easiest to pump, hits hard, but no scope possible, all plastic. Pump handle is very long, so it is easy to pump ($40).
Crosman 2100 = I hate this one. Hard to pump... all plastic ($60)
 
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I got the .177 because I was given a bunch of pellets. They are all the cheapest pellets possible you find on Amazon, the Crosman Pointed and Wadcutters. I'm trying to spend as little money as possible on this hobby for now.. I just started.

But please know that I shot those groups at a pretty close range at 10 yards, using a rest. I believe cheap guns shoot as accurate. I am not regretting my purchase.

The things I like about the Dragonfly Mk2:
- Looks really nice, feels nice
- Has a magazine (but comes with just one)
- I got a moderator to fit, and it comes with a threaded barrel to put the moderator on
- Accurate to shoot, but at my distance, everything is accurate.

Things I do not like:
- It is not very easy to pump. The Barra 1866 is definitely easier to pump. It is because Dragonfly takes force to pump in both directions. A normal pumpers take almost no effort on opening, but closing action compresses air and takes effort on closing action only. Dragonfly requires force when you to open the pump arm all the way out (it will NOT pump if you do not open the pump arm all the way) and closing both. You do not have to close the pump fully. But it is easier to pump than Crosman 2100.

I only have three air guns and they are all multi-pump guns, because I need to be able to have variable power

Dragonfly Mk2 = my fav. It shoots well, looks great, but slightly hard/awkward to pump. Metal + wood, very little plastic shown. Quiet with moderator($200+)
Barra 1866 = easiest to pump, hits hard, but no scope possible, all plastic. Pump handle is very long, so it is easy to pump ($40).
Crosman 2100 = I hate this one. Hard to pump... all plastic ($60)
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Appreciate the informative and detailed answer sir!
I've spotted a few rats in my back yards lately and wanted to hunt them down with fun :)
Made a quick research and finally decided to pull the trigger on this new Seneca Dragonfly MKII .177
I was going through forums to find information on Benjamin 362, 392s and 397s and that's how I found this rifle.
Just placed the order at Airgun Depot today.
I bet there will be lots of fun shooting it!- glad to become a part of air rifle enthusiast community :)
 
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guitarmint said:
After looking at scope options for Dragonfly MK2 my head is spinning now...
I just need to shoot accurately at 20-25 yards the most.
Any advice is appreciated
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I'm using an old Bugbuster Scope.

Here is what I would look for in scope for backyard rat shooting:
- AO (adjustable objective) = Must have this. AO is pretty much "focus". Not having AO makes shooting rats very difficult. AO is the focus. If it doesnt have it, when you zoom in on objects that are close, they become blurry and you have to zoom out to make the image clear. And rats are small... so even when close-mid range, you want to zoom in & have a clear picture of the rat's head. AO allows this.

- Adjustable Zoom = Must have this. Or you are stuck zoomed in at a specific setting..

- Parallax Setting = Close to infinity, I would not go over 10 yards to infinity. That means, you won't be able to focus on objects, that is over 10 yard distance. I really like 3 yard to infinity, because I like shooting very close range too. If a rat comes close to you... you can just zoom out and focus again, instead of moving backwards.

- Objective Lense Size = Largest possible that you can afford. Large objective lense means it is easier to see because it's a bigger scope opening. But that also becomes pricey. I have the 32mm one, it is on the smaller size, but works.

Here is how to read the confusing scope numerics (i'm a beginner too, so I only know the very basics)
3-12X32 = This means, it can zoom from 3 to 12 times (adjustable zoom). And it has a 32mm objective lense.

I think this would be a good choice for ratting:

This one does not have illuminated reticle, which I found to be a bit useless anyway. Also, with Dragonfly Mk2, I found out a rat would get insta-killed with just 5 or 6 pumps. So I'd just save my energy on pumping. Make sure to clean out the bore and tighten screws on the pump handle (some say they come slightly loose and screws fell out). I also ordered Buck Rail suppressor so it is very quiet. I also ordered a cheapo "Rifle Buttstock Pouch" to have cleaning stuff + pellets inside, so I have everything to shoot/clean with the rifle always.
 
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I'm using an old Bugbuster Scope.

Here is what I would look for in scope for backyard rat shooting:
- AO (adjustable objective) = Must have this. AO is pretty much "focus". Not having AO makes shooting rats very difficult. AO is the focus. If it doesnt have it, when you zoom in on objects that are close, they become blurry and you have to zoom out to make the image clear. And rats are small... so even when close-mid range, you want to zoom in & have a clear picture of the rat's head. AO allows this.

- Adjustable Zoom = Must have this. Or you are stuck zoomed in at a specific setting..

- Parallax Setting = Close to infinity, I would not go over 10 yards to infinity. That means, you won't be able to focus on objects, that is over 10 yard distance. I really like 3 yard to infinity, because I like shooting very close range too. If a rat comes close to you... you can just zoom out and focus again, instead of moving backwards.

- Objective Lense Size = Largest possible that you can afford. Large objective lense means it is easier to see because it's a bigger scope opening. But that also becomes pricey. I have the 32mm one, it is on the smaller size, but works.

Here is how to read the confusing scope numerics (i'm a beginner too, so I only know the very basics)
3-12X32 = This means, it can zoom from 3 to 12 times (adjustable zoom). And it has a 32mm objective lense.

I think this would be a good choice for ratting:

This one does not have illuminated reticle, which I found to be a bit useless anyway. Also, with Dragonfly Mk2, I found out a rat would get insta-killed with just 5 or 6 pumps. So I'd just save my energy on pumping. Make sure to clean out the bore and tighten screws on the pump handle (some say they come slightly loose and screws fell out). I also ordered Buck Rail suppressor so it is very quiet. I also ordered a cheapo "Rifle Buttstock Pouch" to have cleaning stuff + pellets inside, so I have everything to shoot/clean with the rifle always.
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Thank you so much for this valuable explanation of the scope details.
Really appreciate it and will definitely check out that scope!
Hi 5 on that Buck Rail suppressor- got one as well!
Found a few highly rated scopes on Amazon that won't brake the bank:
CVLIFE 3-9x40 $29
Pinty 3-9x40 $32
2.5-10x40 $50

I believe either one should get the job done, however that BugBuster is nice!
 
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guitarmint said:
Thank you so much for this valuable explanation of the scope details.
Really appreciate it and will definitely check out that scope!
Hi 5 on that Buck Rail suppressor- got one as well!
Found a few highly rated scopes on Amazon that won't brake the bank:
CVLIFE 3-9x40 $29
Pinty 3-9x40 $32
2.5-10x40 $50

I believe either one should get the job done, however that BugBuster is nice!
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I do not think that the scoped you picked out have AO. I would suggest that you skip on every feature on a scope except AO. Without it, you will have to shoot a dot sized rat on scope. Zooming in on close object would make it blurry. Wothout AO, zoom-in is only meant to zoom in on far objects only.
 
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Puppadore said:
I do not think that the scoped you picked out have AO. I would suggest that you skip on every feature on a scope except AO. Without it, you will have to shoot a dot sized rat on scope. Zooming in on close object would make it blurry. Wothout AO, zoom-in is only meant to zoom in on far objects only.
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Nice catch! Thank you!
Here is what a found on the budget with AO:
6-24x50 $50
4-16x50 $55
Pinty 3-9x40 $60

and here is the winner:
CVLife 3-9x40 AO $40
Youtube review
 
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