A pellet I would love to see produced

[Nomadic Pirate 66]

Nothing like the WHACK of a Crow Magnum making contact. I'd line up for a heavy weight version with the hollow point filled in flat. Or have the front extended and get into the 34+ gr. range with a true semi wadcutter stepped profile.

ETA- until then the Crow Magnum is my go to pellet for pest birds.

What I used to do back in the day with the Crow Magnums is :

With a leather punch choose the right punch that would fit into the hollowpoint then either use tough leather or plastic of the right thickness, punch out a bunch of holes, collect the pieces and glue them into the hollopoints, tedious but was a fun exercise

 

[JungleShooter]

What I used to do back in the day with the Crow Magnums is :

With a leather punch choose the right punch that would fit into the hollowpoint then either use tough leather or plastic of the right thickness, punch out a bunch of holes, collect the pieces and glue them into the hollopoints, tedious but was a fun exercise

That's interesting, Manny!

Help me understand:
What were you hoping the leather-filled hollow-point would do better than the factory hollow point of the Crow Magnum?

Matthias

 

[Hal4son]

@Nomadic Pirate 66 Yes, that sharp edge on the Crow Magnum is what I like.

I like your idea flattening the tip on the EunJin. I believe those are made of a much harder alloy as they feel a bit crunchy when running them into the FX. It feels like they need some extra lubricant.

 

[Struckat]

Manny,

that is a very interesting request.
Thanks for bringing this up.

JTS has come out with a heavy wadcutter in .22cal (18.80gr).

But in .25 and bigger, we have a big fat nothing....


️ Would you explain in more detail, what you expect a wadcutter to do — that a hollow point won't do (like H&N Crow Magnum or JSB UltraShock Heavy)?


I have, so far, no experience with wadcutters. But I'm interested. Help me understand, please.


Thanks!

Matthias


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Matthias you just made my day!

I have been wanting another option in 22wc, and this fits the bill.
Most of my pesting is inside 30 yards. Wadcutters are hammers.

Thank you

 

[Nomadic Pirate 66]

Pic of said tool? I've got a lot of those Eun-Jins laying around...
GsT

Here is the jig ;

So you put the pellets in nose first

Lock in the back plate

I don't have any untouched pellets here but the tip sticks out and you just remove it with a box cutter

 

[GeneT]

Here is the jig ;

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So you put the pellets in nose first



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Lock in the back plate

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I don't have any untouched pellets here but the tip sticks out and you just remove it with a box cutter

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Thanks! That's informative!

GsT

 

[JungleShooter]

Matthias you just made my day!
I have been wanting another option in 22wc, and this fits the bill.
Most of my pesting is inside 30 yards. Wadcutters are hammers.
Thank you

So glad to help!!

I have been helped so many times by others on this forum!


Here are two more economic options of (fairly) heavy wadcutters (same brand, different quality):

● Air Boss: Match Competition. (Air Boss is an Apolo brand.)

● Same brand, lesser quality:
Apolo Champion

And here is a hollow point that could also be defined as a wadcutter with a small (but deep) hole in it.
This particular pellet is special because if you have a gun with a high power tune you usually can't shoot wadcutters, they'll go at warp speed due to their typically low weight.

But the JSB UltraShock Heavy weighs 25.39gr in .22cal (also available in .177) — and promises ultimate destruction....

I just ordered the JTS wadcutter a couple of days ago. In a couple of weeks I'll have them in Peru. The pigeons will NOT like it, I'm afraid.

Cheers,

Matthias

 

[DesertSilver]

What I used to do back in the day with the Crow Magnums is :

With a leather punch choose the right punch that would fit into the hollowpoint then either use tough leather or plastic of the right thickness, punch out a bunch of holes, collect the pieces and glue them into the hollopoints, tedious but was a fun exercise

That's what the pb ammo manufacturers are doing with their high velocity hunting rounds. Helps with BC.

 

[JungleShooter]

Here is the jig ;

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So you put the pellets in nose first



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Lock in the back plate

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I don't have any untouched pellets here but the tip sticks out and you just remove it with a box cutter

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Very cool, Manny, thanks for the detailed pics!

So, how is the cutting off of the head accomplished?

Because your system could be used for any caliber and any shape of ammo.

Matthias

 

[Struckat]

The Apollo look nice, but none of my barrels like them.

 

[Nomadic Pirate 66]

So glad to help!!

I have been helped so many times by others on this forum!


Here are two more economic options of (fairly) heavy wadcutters (same brand, different quality):

● Air Boss: Match Competition. (Air Boss is an Apolo brand.)
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● Same brand, lesser quality:
Apolo Champion
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And here is a hollow point that could also be defined as a wadcutter with a small (but deep) hole in it.
This particular pellet is special because if you have a gun with a high power tune you usually can't shoot wadcutters, they'll go at warp speed due to their typically low weight.

But the JSB UltraShock Heavy weighs 25.39gr in .22cal (also available in .177) — and promises ultimate destruction....

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I just ordered the JTS wadcutter a couple of days ago. In a couple of weeks I'll have them in Peru. The pigeons will NOT like it, I'm afraid.

Cheers,

Matthias

Back when I was using .22s to hunt those Ultra shock where called Skenko hollowpoint or something and where my favorite round,....they are basically a wadcutter never seen one expand like a hollowpoint.

 

[Nomadic Pirate 66]

Very cool, Manny, thanks for the detailed pics!

So, how is the cutting off of the head accomplished?

Because your system could be used for any caliber and any shape of ammo.

Matthias

just cut it off with a blade, boxcutter, razor blade anything super sharp and thin.

 

[JungleShooter]

just cut it off with a blade, boxcutter, razor blade anything super sharp and thin.

Thanks, Manny, your experience is worth a lot.

Matthias

 

[SteveP-52]

How about .25 cal springer shooters? Seen any number of owners, me being one, that would love to see a wadcutter in .25 again for short range pesting.
By all means make some very heavy rounds like Manny would like to see but for springers, say something between 22-24gr??
H&N used to make the Beeman H&N Match pellets that had a listed weight of 21.6gr and why I figure something in that 22-24gr weight range would be just about right out of a 17-20fpe springer out to 30ish yards and make for a quite nice hammer on small pests.

 

[Nomadic Pirate 66]

Would love to see JSB make the Ultra Shock in .25 and 40gr

 

[Bandito]

The ultrashock looks like a good pellet to try in my HW90! Be Well, Bandito.

 

[Struckat]

I ordered some of the JTS 18gr wadcutters and some of the 21 semidomes.

the wadcutters are try in a 20fpe Prod that grew into a rifle, and the semidomes are for my AA500.

They should arrive in time for some testing before an upcoming roadtrip/woodchuck contract that came to me yesterday.

 

[bucketboy]

All the facts above. Just to show some real world use, I shot the 18 gr JTS wadcutter and 18 gr domes yesterday. They are going about 820 fps out of my Concept Lite. These were at 25 yards. I’ve tested wadcutters through my Huntman also. They don’t like the speed the rifles are shooting them.

I plan on shooting them more in my Concept with the different transport settings to see how they like slower speeds.

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Try knocking the speed down, you may fine accuracy improves,

Here is a 10 shot group from one of my .177 at 825fps

 

[Firewalker]

A Wadcutter will never be you long range hunting round,

The Keith bullet design is extremely popular for serious hunting in the firearm world, basically a very large Meplat bullet that can be almost considered a Wadcutter.

Plenty Wadcutters pellets in the smallest calibers but the .25 is a relatively new popular round in airgunning so the variety is considerably less then the smaller cousins.

If not a pellet I would love to see a trashcan style bullet being offered in .25 but it would have to be made with narrow riding bands ( cannot remember the name but someone used to make them many years ago )

Just check out Matt's Bullets .357 and .45 selection and there's a ton of semi-wadcutters and Wadcutters

38 Special/357 Magnum

45 Handgun

This is my fav .38 boolit, tumble lube, any alloy, its such a great target round!

It would be very interesting to see it in .25 for airguns. There is a LOT of friction on those lube bands.

TL358-148WC 6 Cavity Mold

Lee 6 cavity block produces a .358 diameter 148 grain Wad Cutter bullet suitable for cartridges like 38 Special, 38 S@W, 38 Colt New Police, 357 Mag. Bullet Mold lube and handles sold separately.Ballistic Coefficient = .174Bullet Overall Length = N/A

leeprecision.com

 

[Nomadic Pirate 66]

Cannot remember his name but back in the day there was someone that used to make similar trashcan looking bullets for airguns, mainly used by Airforce owners I remember on TAG, the riding bands where very thin and he powdercoated the ammo black.