97 cubic foot tank or 4500 air compressor for being a couple hundred miles away from civilization 2000 to 3,000 shots per day thank you

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Michael said:
I hope you’re good at replacing o-rings too!

But seriously, have you ever shot that many shots in a single day. Sounds a bit unreasonable to me.
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I have, many times until a friend of mine died. Wasn't uncommon for the two of us to go through 20k rounds in a day, and if half the sheriff's office was there a lot more. PB's, full auto, from thompson's up to a 30 cal mini gun and an electrically operated quad 50 cal. Good times. Air rifles, forget about it.
 
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2-3,000 pellets, slugs, cartridges is a lot for a day. When shooting ground squirrels, we seldom were above 1,000 rounds of powder burner ammo in 10 AM (when it was warm enough that they were out) to dusk. Shooting quite consistently at the range, about 6 hours per day, I shoot 500-700 pellets.

I take 3 or 4 full-power .22 PCPs and shoot & reload one gun while another is on the GX CS3 compressor.

*NB. I am not disputing the numbers anyone has referenced, simply adding what might relate to the database.

I run the compressor (or my CS1 clone spare) from 120 VAC unless the power happens to be down, in which case I use the vehicle. I can fill several times before needing to run the vehicle to avoid hiking. IME, unless one is luckier than I am, spares are necessary to keep from being out of commission, unlike powder burners.
 
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@Corvid_hunter, I gave the poster 12 hrs. in lieu of 24 & came up with 4.16 shots per min. No way, any day, especially on Sunday if he’s a working man! This type of pesting is ludicrous - there is NO possible way these are clean, humane, morally straight or ethically clean kills. This is a Cardinal Sin and gives all hunters/pesters a horrible reputation! Not to mention he is posting this on AGN “ Michaels site & every members site as well”!

I can not & will not, No Forget It! - Something is very wrong here!

@Michael, I would be very careful with this one “ Whim whams are just that”!

I Don’t like this one bit! Go Away Mister & be gone with yourself!!! AGN & it’s members surely want nothing to do with this!

If I am wrong Mr. Wendt please revoke my membership.

Respectfully, RadioFlyer
 
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Here ya go. Hopefully you have a pick up truck. Nitrogen, nice and dry. 😂😂

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BSJ said:
Just curious. What is the shot to kill ratio?
Are you getting 3000 kills a day?
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Sorry buddy my 2 to 3,000 per day is on gunpowder guns 22LR so many squirrels too many to count I go according to how many rounds I went through as far as PCP guns I have a feeling it would only be 2 to 300 a day which would still be a nice day on my gunpowder guns they were all headshots out to 50 yards
 
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AlanMcD said:
That helps . . . It sounds like you are probably shooting .25 caliber at pretty high power, so you will be using a lot of air. Not as much as big bores, but still using a pretty good amount per shot.

I'll provide a bit of an explanation to help you understand it better. When thinking through "air" for shooting purposes, we have to consider both the volume of the tank, and the pressure of the air. To best do this, I like to use a simplified unit of shooting air that is best called the "bar-cc" of air. This is simply the cc's of air we have multiplied by the pressure in bar. The big tanks are pretty much all 9L of volume (regardless of the stated "cubic feet" of air - that is a whole separate post, but the sticky one on tank volume addresses it), and a full fill is 310 bar (4500 psi). So a full 9L tank holds 2,790,000 bar-cc air - 9,000 cc at 310 bar. It sounds like a lot, but you will be using a lot, and we don't get to use all of it . . . we do not use the air below the bottom of our fill point. If the gun is refilled at 2500 psi (~170 bar), then we can't use the 1,530,000 bar cc below that point - leaving us with just 1,260,000 bar-cc of usable air in the tank.

Then we have to look at the power and efficiency levels of our guns. Most US airgunners talk about efficiency of airguns in the units of FPE / CI, but that unit does not work well with bar-cc units of air - fortunately they are easily converted (1 FPE / CI - 16.38 bar-cc / FPE). Most long barreled high power guns will run around 1.1 FPE / CI, or about 18 bar-cc / FPE, although there is a lot of variability in efficiency in guns. Since it sounds like you will be shooting at around 60 FPE or so, you will be using upwards of 1,100 bar-cc or air per shot.

Put that together, and a 9L tank that is used to refill the gun above will get about 1,150 shots out of a full fill - almost certainly less if not shooting tethered, as there are losses every time we vent the line to disconnect the tank. So unless you are willing to stop shooting while the compressor refills your tank, you will need multiple tanks. The number of tanks depends on whether you are able to refill through the day, and if you are comfortable continuing to shoot while the compressor fills another tank. You didn't say what compressor you have, but at $4500 it is probably up to the task either way. Consider the refill time into your decision, whatever that may be.

You can get 12L tanks that will give you more shots per tank, but they are more than proportionally more expensive (low sales volume) and still won't get you through a day. Personally, I'd prefer to have more lighter, cheaper 9L tanks than maybe one fewer 12L tank and pocket the savings.

In the end, you are going to have to think through what you want to do, but this should help you do that . . .
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If you make the right friends or look carefully you can find very large cylinders. I have a weird one but it's 3400psi and 260cf(iirc) of gas. In the end what it is meant to be is a light weight analog to a "k" size cylinder but lightweight since it's for aircraft use. Nothing about it was "standard" so I had to build a tank valve setup with some hydraulics and and scba components.

Fill line blow down: there's a quick fill end commercially available with its own valve like a shop air blower for compressed air or you can find valves and bleed valves and stack them to make it where you can disconnect the gun and not blow down the whole line. Or use all micro line.

The there's another cheater method I used to use. 92 ci paintball bottle with a Chinese pcp fill station on it. They have a check valved foster input at the neck of the bottle and then a whip and blow down valve up at the top by the main valve. You can demand air from the bottle while the compressor is still working on filling that bottle..... If feasible without scaring away the rodents you're after.

I chose to get the largest dive compressor clone I could afford (4 cyl Coltri clone from tuxing) 1 liter/min and acquire as many cylinders as possible. If we skip the buddy bottles and the scuba bottle I have collected a 77cf 88cf, 97(great white probably an 88) and the monster 260 cf. I built a regulated manifold with dual outputs for the big cylinder so my buddy and I can just shoot from the bench together tethered all day at the most consistent pressure on our fx slug guns for rodents. We don't even bring compressors out during shooting hours anymore.

Where there's a will, there's a way.... But it's easier if you have a trust fund unlike me.

Best of luck.
 
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BlackICE said:
With an fx you better carry as many O-rings as you do air tanks. :ROFLMAO:
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Haven't had a leak or oring replacement in 3 years?.. And it's an impact that gets left in the sun on 110f days at 150bar. Lol. It's like people are mechanically lost with this fear of pcp rebuilds 😉 I've been thru more Yong hengs and cs4 compressors than orings. Maybe I'm an outlier?
 
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If you are going to mostly bench varmint, the sniper is a good choice. I have a 700mm m3 that is relegated to the bench but a couple hundred yards is within my means. If you pb varmint and handload an fx is probably a good fit for you. Don't worry about the dogma you hear on the forums of orings etc... People aren't mechanically oriented often times.

The impact is the reloading bench built into the gun so to speak. That said the 700mm impact is basically a floating bull Barrel 22-250 to me and isn't super fun to walk around with. I might steer you to 600mm too, there's a lot of personality that comes with the 700 and harmonics, barrel whip and barrel movement sensitivity. It does offer more barrel to make power and air economy gains tho imo.

I won't lie, fx guns are for technically savvy people but they'll perform if you treat them correctly. Im a fan, but also critical of them.
My takes are strictly opinion based on experiences with one of the 15 airguns I own, work on or have shot for a whole day. Just opinions, and I'm not particularly brand loyal. The air use on my fx guns is pretty good too compared to my aea or benjamin pcp guns for power output especially.
Huntvarmint said:
Thank you very much for the information it is greatly appreciate it when I gave my responsive 2 to 3,000 that is when I did it with a firearm I am very new to PCP rifles do not know their capabilities other than seen over 100 hours on YouTube on what the FX impact sniper can do thank you very much for taking the time to enter the information it is greatly appreciated
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Mike_Lenardon said:
Never met a FARMER with a Squirrel problem...hmmm
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The place is Eureka Nevada for over 20 years the gun club that I was belong to went up there every year some guys would go up for two or three weeks some even up to a month take their reloading supplies with them nothing bigger than a 223 ground squirrels are the size of footballs when I first saw them I said why are we doing prairie dogs they're like nope those are just fat squirrels thousands and thousands of them would have to take her cold stuff too because sometimes you wake up the next day and there's snow on the ground some guys that stayed out on the farmer's property even ate the ground squirrels they were so big they do not move very fast but a hell of a lot of shooting more than I've ever done in my whole life all into a couple weeks anyway look that up that is the prime spot where some Farmers even paid some of us to drive out further to their properties because up there it's regulated so when they poison they have to collect every single animal account for every poison pallet everything so it's easier for us to help them out I'm trying to get in touch with Farmers now in Kern County Buttonwillow that's where I used to roam on $85,000 Acres on private property Farmers loved me but it has been a while now I'm older disabled and have a few problems but I still want to get back and do what I used to do in my retirement hope this information helps
 
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Avator said:
I don't have any suggestions but I do have a question...
3000 shots a day for 2 weeks? Can I go with you? ;)
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Sorry buddy when I put up this post the thoughts in my head were of me using it 22LR and a lot of high cap magazines I am just switching to PCP air guns bought myself an fx impact M4 sniper trying to obtain as much information as I could when I belong to a hunting club for many years guys would go up to Eureka Nevada small town all the farmers up there have thousands and thousands of ground squirrels that are the size of footballs basically I would do headshots after 50 yards move the vehicle continue shooting ended up having an extremely sore thumb from loading the mags most shooting I've done consecutive day after day after day everyone was complaining and had a red thumbs and black from loading the bullets some guys take up their mobile homes and take their reloading equipment with them farmers do not like anything bigger than a 223 I figure if I do that route and go for the 9 hour drive I'm going to want to stay there a while hence wanting to learn about what to take with me other than up there it's sunny one day could snow the next this information I have never shared with anybody outside of the hunting club I just gave this information to one other person who posted but I am in Southern California have a good one buddy take care
 
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