Well just got my 22 cal 800mm tensioned barrel kit today , they call it the Super Sniper .
I didn't know we could get them yet?! Where did you get yours from??
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800mm FX barrels, when will they be available?
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I didn't know we could get them yet?! Where did you get yours from??
This was from Utah Airguns they had 20 or 30 of them they sold out in 15 minutes
if you want one get on someones pre-order list you have better luck with smaller sellers
if you want one get on someones pre-order list you have better luck with smaller sellers
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I'm a bit irritated for a couple reasons with FX. One I've been starring at these 800mm barrels in stock on krale for many many months, but anyone in the U.S can't buy anything fx from krale. And two the deciding factor on me pulling the trigger on an impact over a RAW was the gun mounted Chrono that was to be released last summer and we have yet to see. Feel as tho I should have went with the RAW!
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Well just got my 22 cal 800mm tensioned barrel kit today , they call it the Super Sniper .
@Ydunn.223
Can you tell us what parts are unique to the kit and completely different from a normal barrel kit? Does this kit include a 'normal' barrel housing and liner lock? From the various videos I have seen, it looks like you could install one of these tension systems over ANY Impact barrel by adding the 1) front barrel guide, 2) carbon tube, and 3) the nut that screws over the liner lock and compresses the carbon tube. Their choice to sell it only as a complete barrel kit is confusing, at least for the 700mm which has existing barrels out there. I don't need another barrel housing or liner.
I had envisioned the kit consisting of the 3 parts mentioned above for less than half this kit is going for, in which case I'd put one on my 700mm and then cut another one down to go on a 600mm.
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The more I think about it, the less likely I am to get an 800mm barrel kit. This is just my logical mind talking here.. In my case, I'll basically be paying $400 so I can have another 30-40 fps on the very top end. I've already gotten my Maverick up to 90 fpe. Is there anything I can't do at 85 fpe that I can do at 95 fpe? Of course, it isn't all about the top end. The gun will likely hit the 75 fpe range much easier, and with a better shot count. Is there a huge advantage to shooting 40 grain slugs vs 36 grain slugs? If I were in a different place financially, it would be much less of an issue. I'm just at a point where I'm having a hard time justifying spending $400 for some minimal gains and gun that may not fit my case anymore.
I'm not saying I won't get it at some point, but my brain is talking me out of it at the moment I think. Don't get me wrong, it would be very cool to be able to say I was able to hit 95-100 fpe with my Maverick in .22. Is that really worth anything to me other than saying I did it?
I'm not saying I won't get it at some point, but my brain is talking me out of it at the moment I think. Don't get me wrong, it would be very cool to be able to say I was able to hit 95-100 fpe with my Maverick in .22. Is that really worth anything to me other than saying I did it?
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Just get one of those sleeve extensions to extend your 700 to an 800 and buy the liner only. Just an option.
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I have made sleeve extensions from 600mm to 700mm with a 1:24 twist liner shooting 25gr and 30gr HN slugs up to 235 meters accurately getting a stability factor of around 1. So i plan on adding other 100mm to get the 1:14 twist barrel purely for more efficiency and capability of shooting long 40gr slugs that need the extra twist and lighter slugs at reduced energy while remaining dynamically stable.
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By the way when i meant capability i meant the projectile tumbled right out the muzzle even at 960fps long slugs need fast twist.
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Glem, I've thought about that, but I don't even know where to get one of the extensions from? I looked a while back, but gave up... I whizzed away a lot of my extra $$ for a while on a 700cc bottle and a couple of 300 bar valves, so I need to wait on whatever I do.
Ignoto, no doubt about that twist rate. I've pretty much shot the heavy liners from the start for that very reason. I do wonder how light of a slug that new 14" twist can handle too. I imagine it'll probably be okay down to the 31.2 grain at least. The next thing I wonder is what sizing will it prefer. My 700mm heavy liner definitely prefers the .218 sized slugs, which sucks because the new NSA slugs are only offered in .217 for some crazy reason
Ignoto, no doubt about that twist rate. I've pretty much shot the heavy liners from the start for that very reason. I do wonder how light of a slug that new 14" twist can handle too. I imagine it'll probably be okay down to the 31.2 grain at least. The next thing I wonder is what sizing will it prefer. My 700mm heavy liner definitely prefers the .218 sized slugs, which sucks because the new NSA slugs are only offered in .217 for some crazy reason
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Anyone know if impact barrels will fit in RTI PROPHET what is the diameter of the m3 barrel
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I am testing these days the .25 ZAN 41 gr's @ 960, I am not really happy with POI. Maybe I put my expectation way to high for the bigger mass slug, but I can admit that I did not get my tune perfected for this weight. Not yet, but I spent at least 300 slugs so far for tuning at the 100M bench. I can see spiraling - some people say speed slow the other people say speed high ..... I promised myself I have maybe 600 more slugs in this weight if I don't make it work I will go back to 37.
The same .25 ZAN 37's were grouping better the entire last year, but also I spent at least 3-4 hundred slugs to get the tune right + the rest of the game.
I was expecting a bigger mass 44gr vs 37gr can cut the elements, but I feel like overstressing it somewhere wanting to shoot and score 100 Meter rings with 960 fps.
I would like to get one of those 100mm extensions, do you have a source?
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Well, according to strelok and assuming those 31 gr nsa's you are mentioning are about the same lenght as 30gr HN's with the 1:14 you 'll be getting a stability factor of 2.5 to 2.8 from 820 to 1000fps so from what i understand it is a bit overstabilized but acceptable. If and when i get that barrel i will post some more feedback from 40 to 25gr testing
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So the 800mm liner arrived and here goes my experience so far.
I was surprised to open the package and see an indexing mark along with a liner stained with mud or oxidized on the outside and polished on the inside so all pointing to a used barrel.
But has always i make best of what i have so on with the setup.
Using the same original 600mm outer barrel with some extenders with no gap to double has stiffeners and some custom shroud that is in the future to go along with a custom scope rail i am cooking for some while and a airstriper that flows into the shroud that acts has a tensioner (like fx one but mine is older)
I only tested the projectiles with a carbon fiber barrel sleeve (not the fx one) the ones i am using are pressed into the liner further adding stiffness.
Good news! This liner shoots both .217 and .218 at the same speed so there's lead coming. At least with the projectiles i have. Showed more promise with the .218 but later that day i went back for the .217 and groups matched equally.
I tested with and without the shroud at 130bar so i only expect any difference at higher pressures. Max Power output at 130 was 70ft-lbs. These were the first groups shot with different slugs. And for now i plan to use this barrel with 30gr and up. And the pellet liner for 25 and below.
Just because the norica slugs in 25gr needed added weight at muzzle to group well and by well is at 50m a 5 shot must touch between each other.
1st group 25gr norica. Left one is aim point. No need for excuses its just i grab anything for aimpoint so im lazy shame on me for not using paper targets.
1st 5 group hn 30gr .217 left is aimpoint Yes there are 5 plus 1 for aim.
1st 5 group with hn 30gr .218 left is aim. Bottom was already there.
1st 5 group with zan 40gr .217 left was aim ignore rest outside the group. This Zan after tuning velocity were as the .218 hn. One small hole.
The main goal for this liner was to stabilise very long slugs. And it really does, even at much lower energy.
The 40gr zan had a higher bc than announced in strelok at around 880 up to 300m working on placing longer targets now. It was perfectly capable before with 25gr slugs, but they were very influenced by low wind at that range.
Tested both the 800 and 600mm at same 130bar speed difference is has shown in the photo. P is the position of the hammer pre tension wheel at the back. (Mine has20) the number left is the projectile weight in grains and the arrow with a number beside it is the poi difference.
Hope it helped anyone ou there.
I was surprised to open the package and see an indexing mark along with a liner stained with mud or oxidized on the outside and polished on the inside so all pointing to a used barrel.
But has always i make best of what i have so on with the setup.
Using the same original 600mm outer barrel with some extenders with no gap to double has stiffeners and some custom shroud that is in the future to go along with a custom scope rail i am cooking for some while and a airstriper that flows into the shroud that acts has a tensioner (like fx one but mine is older)
I only tested the projectiles with a carbon fiber barrel sleeve (not the fx one) the ones i am using are pressed into the liner further adding stiffness.
Good news! This liner shoots both .217 and .218 at the same speed so there's lead coming. At least with the projectiles i have. Showed more promise with the .218 but later that day i went back for the .217 and groups matched equally.
I tested with and without the shroud at 130bar so i only expect any difference at higher pressures. Max Power output at 130 was 70ft-lbs. These were the first groups shot with different slugs. And for now i plan to use this barrel with 30gr and up. And the pellet liner for 25 and below.
Just because the norica slugs in 25gr needed added weight at muzzle to group well and by well is at 50m a 5 shot must touch between each other.
1st group 25gr norica. Left one is aim point. No need for excuses its just i grab anything for aimpoint so im lazy shame on me for not using paper targets.
1st 5 group hn 30gr .217 left is aimpoint Yes there are 5 plus 1 for aim.
1st 5 group with hn 30gr .218 left is aim. Bottom was already there.
1st 5 group with zan 40gr .217 left was aim ignore rest outside the group. This Zan after tuning velocity were as the .218 hn. One small hole.
The main goal for this liner was to stabilise very long slugs. And it really does, even at much lower energy.
The 40gr zan had a higher bc than announced in strelok at around 880 up to 300m working on placing longer targets now. It was perfectly capable before with 25gr slugs, but they were very influenced by low wind at that range.
Tested both the 800 and 600mm at same 130bar speed difference is has shown in the photo. P is the position of the hammer pre tension wheel at the back. (Mine has20) the number left is the projectile weight in grains and the arrow with a number beside it is the poi difference.
Hope it helped anyone ou there.
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Ignoto, I meant to respond sooner, but life happened... Thanks for taking the time to post all the info above! The part that interests me most is how that barrel responds to .217 vs .218. I'm glad it appears to do well with .218, since that is what 98% of all my slugs are, because my current superior heavy prefers the .218. I look forward to seeing how it does with higher power settings as well.
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Upon further testing i can say this barrel definitely likes .218 best whatever pressure or speed is shot 1 hole at 50m. .217 are also usable and can group well but needs tuning.
Tryed hn 30 .218 at 170 meters or 185yds with krales plinking set that i believe has a target diameter of about 1 inch and was hitting the sucker 9 out of 10 times in 5km/h winds.
Zan 40gr slugs are said to have some problems with fx magazines, well, not with mine feeds perfectly every single time.
Those seem to be immune to wind compared to the other weights i have tested. New personal record with these at 320m or 350yards at a 15cm target easy! Going longer tomorrow.
Max energy i recorded with 40gr was
@130 70ft/lbs 880fps
@150 80ft/lbs 950fps
@170 89ft/lbs 1000fps (same has m3 with all the power marketed goodies)
Currently i am using a tungsten carbide weight (not the fx one) for the hammer plus stainless spacers for fine tuning pre tension of hammer strike but will try the conventional stainless weights and report if it really is needed for 170bar. Previous weight i was using at 130bar was 12.45grams.
I dont believe i will stay with this high reg pressure because out of 250bar fill to 170 at this energy there's only 23good shots. Around 70 with a second one at 300bar both 500cc.
I have a couple of 300bar bottles And would like to know what is the difference between the standard bottle valve and the 300bar bottle valve. Is it the material (stainless) longer threads... I would like to machine some for myself and would be glad if anyone could shed some light. Otherwise i will be creating a double bottle adapter for the maverick.
Tryed hn 30 .218 at 170 meters or 185yds with krales plinking set that i believe has a target diameter of about 1 inch and was hitting the sucker 9 out of 10 times in 5km/h winds.
Zan 40gr slugs are said to have some problems with fx magazines, well, not with mine feeds perfectly every single time.
Those seem to be immune to wind compared to the other weights i have tested. New personal record with these at 320m or 350yards at a 15cm target easy! Going longer tomorrow.
Max energy i recorded with 40gr was
@130 70ft/lbs 880fps
@150 80ft/lbs 950fps
@170 89ft/lbs 1000fps (same has m3 with all the power marketed goodies)
Currently i am using a tungsten carbide weight (not the fx one) for the hammer plus stainless spacers for fine tuning pre tension of hammer strike but will try the conventional stainless weights and report if it really is needed for 170bar. Previous weight i was using at 130bar was 12.45grams.
I dont believe i will stay with this high reg pressure because out of 250bar fill to 170 at this energy there's only 23good shots. Around 70 with a second one at 300bar both 500cc.
I have a couple of 300bar bottles And would like to know what is the difference between the standard bottle valve and the 300bar bottle valve. Is it the material (stainless) longer threads... I would like to machine some for myself and would be glad if anyone could shed some light. Otherwise i will be creating a double bottle adapter for the maverick.
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