Daystate .30 Daystate Black Wolf Chassis - Tube - the journey begins

[Centercut]

Received a gorgeous .30 Daystate Black Wolf Chassis with Tube last week. Barb and Tony brought it with them from AZ to OR in the AoA traveling van. This one has the 23 inch pellet barrel. The barrel is tensioned.

First impression:
- fit and finish are excellent.
- very good looking gun.
- well balanced.
- trigger is perfect. Very much like the RAW TM1000 I had six or seven years ago.
- power adjust and reg adjust very simple.
- mags only hold 8 pellets, but function flawlessly.

First shooting:
- very solid gun
- action is very smooth, easy cocking.
- only gets about 24 shots per 250 bar fill - tube is 300cc.
- I installed an Athlon Ares ETR scope
- I brought 4 different tins of pellets to try, AEA 50.5, AEA 45, DS RangeMaster 50.1 and DS RangeMaster 44.75.
- from factory gun was tuned too hot with reg at 145 bar, and power wheel at about 10 or 11.
- it shot the 45 grainers at about 940-950 fps and the 50s at about 905-915 fps.
- AEA 50.5 Meh, BC 0.066
- AEA 45 good, BC 0.060
- RM 50.1 good, BC 0.051
- RM 44.75 very good, BC 0.049 and when I dialed the power wheel to 3 they were excellent. I think with reducing reg to about 125 and dialing up power wheel to get them at 900-910 they will be MOA at 100Y.
- very smooth shooting action with very little gun movement. And it moves straight back and not at all upwards.
- used a ZerodB moderator and it quieted the gun down very well.

More to follow, I will properly tune the gun, and shoot some groups at various speeds at 100Y, and then shoot some EBR style targets.

 

[manabeknives]

That's a fine looking rifle ..looks great with the moderator
24 shots ain't bad for a 300cc tube
The tiny mags are a bummer
Looking forward to seeing how it performs

 

[Ranchibi]

Beautiful BW! Enjoy tuning and shooting it Centercut!

 

[Revoman]

Hot out there today huh CC!
Nice looking rifle, sounds like a lot of potential as well. If anyone can get it right, it's you.

mike

 

[Solo1]

Your doing this right on time for me to compare to the 30 ghost i got today. I’ve only shot at 10 m getting scope on and such but turned reg down from 150-120 and put in a red spring in place of the black and am getting 36 shots with fx 44.8 @ 888 pw 16

 

[Gerry52]

ANOTHER fine piece of equipment in the hands of a fine shootist

 

[Emu]

ANOTHER fine piece of equipment in the hands of a fine shootist

We will have reliable info about Blackwolf !!!

 

[TMH]

I don't know what the magic sauce is, but I too have found regularly that with many Daystate guns, the ultimate level of accuracy is obtained when using the Daystate branded Rangemaster pellets. Made by JSB, but I have no idea how they differ. Or maybe they don't, and it is all in my head?

 

[Centercut]

Pigs are flying today! I didn’t think I’d ever see this, but here it is. A Daystate with a very large transfer port!!!

 

[Centercut]

I lowered the reg pressure to 115 bar, in order to shoot the .30 cal 44.75 at about 900 fps. I’m not familiar with this tune, since almost all positions on the power wheel give the same power give or take a few fps. Maybe this is why reg was 145 bar at factory to allow a wide range of power with just the power wheel. (And it does go from sub 800 all the way to over 960 with factory tune). But to get the smoothest most consistent power delivery (low ES/SD) I wanted to lower reg to play well with the hammer. So I’m getting 8 shots at 900 +\- a few fps. It’ll be different that what you are used to. Not good or bad, just different.

 

[Ezana4CE]

I lowered the reg pressure to 115 bar, in order to shoot the .30 cal 44.75 at about 900 fps. I’m not familiar with this tune, since almost all positions on the power wheel give the same power give or take a few fps. Maybe this is why reg was 145 bar at factory to allow a wide range of power with just the power wheel. (And it does go from sub 800 all the way to over 960 with factory tune). But to get the smoothest most consistent power delivery (low ES/SD) I wanted to lower reg to play well with the hammer. So I’m getting 8 shots at 900 +\- a few fps. It’ll be different that what you are used to. Not good or bad, just different.

@Centercut Does the size of the transfer port help establish or correlate to a minimally efficient regulator set point?

 

[Solo1]

I lowered the reg pressure to 115 bar, in order to shoot the .30 cal 44.75 at about 900 fps. I’m not familiar with this tune, since almost all positions on the power wheel give the same power give or take a few fps. Maybe this is why reg was 145 bar at factory to allow a wide range of power with just the power wheel. (And it does go from sub 800 all the way to over 960 with factory tune). But to get the smoothest most consistent power delivery (low ES/SD) I wanted to lower reg to play well with the hammer. So I’m getting 8 shots at 900 +\- a few fps. It’ll be different that what you are used to. Not good or bad, just different.

Is the hammer spring the same as the ghost? Thats why i went to the lighter spring in the 30 and my hp 177 which is exactly how the 177 acted trying to go under 20 fpe

 

[Centercut]

Is the hammer spring the same as the ghost? Thats why i went to the lighter spring in the 30 and my hp 177 which is exactly how the 177 acted trying to go under 20 fpe

Don’t know. Don’t have a Ghost. Seems to be set for maximum power from the factory.

 

[Centercut]

@Centercut Does the size of the transfer port help establish or correlate to a minimally efficient regulator set point?

Not sure. I’m not even sure if the valve is similar to the Ghost or not. Someone like @Motorhead can probably provide a better answer than me. The gun seems no more or less efficient than any other high end PCP. I get 24 good shots from the 300cc tube with .30 cal 44.75 grain at 900 fps. For reference, my old .30 Bobcat got about 36 shots from a 480cc tube and same pellets at 875 fps.

 

[Solo1]

Don’t know. Don’t have a Ghost. Seems to be set for maximum power from the factory.

Thats exactly hoy my hp 177 acted going under 20 fpe at 80 bar shooting 13 gr the only real adjustment i got was with tiny reg changes then i went to the lightest hammer spring in the kit and now i shoot at 100 bar pw 12 and have a lot of adjustment. Check with aoa but i think the hammer springs are the same. They have a kit ($60) with a bunch of different springs

 

[Ezana4CE]

Not sure. I’m not even sure if the valve is similar to the Ghost or not. Someone like @Motorhead can probably provide a better answer than me. The gun seems no more or less efficient than any other high end PCP. I get 24 good shots from the 300cc tube with .30 cal 44.75 grain at 900 fps. For reference, my old .30 Bobcat got about 36 shots from a 480cc tube and same pellets at 875 fps.

@Centercut Understood. That’s a good shotcount. I hope he chimes in here, because I’m curious about how the size of the TP correlates to the lowest efficient or useable regulator setting. @Motorhead, can you elaborate on that relationship?

 

[Motorhead]

Having never been into a GHOST and not knowing what type of valve tech is in use ? The effect the transfer tube has on the tune / efficiency / shot count or noise etc, I'm unable to anwser the question.
As a balanced valve and conventional valve react differently to changes in transfer size / valve throat back pressure or resistance to flow.

 

[Ezana4CE]

Pigs are flying today! I didn’t think I’d ever see this, but here it is. A Daystate with a very large transfer port!!!

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Having never been into a GHOST and not knowing what type of valve tech is in use ? The effect the transfer tube has on the tune / efficiency / shot count or noise etc, I'm unable to anwser the question.
As a balanced valve and conventional valve react differently to changes in transfer size / valve throat back pressure or resistance to flow.

@Motorhead I was asking about the Daystate Blackwolf. I don’t know what sort of valve the Blackwolf uses. Do you know @Centercut?

 

[greenbeans]

Don’t know. Don’t have a Ghost. Seems to be set for maximum power from the factory.

If it’s like the ghost (and presumably it is somewhat), the stock hammer spring is way too strong for reg below 130-140ish. Basically smacking the valve on any and all powerwheel settings… maybe the ghost springs fit the BW?!

 

[Solo1]

The blackwolf to the best of my knowledge is a ghost setup as a conventional rifle. Ghost has the ultra valve ( balance valve ) that is used in the alpha wolf. The ghost is a mechanical alpha wolf!