.25cal vs .30cal video
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My .25 & .30 are as deadly accurate as each other but the "walk aways" of prey being hit are virtually non existent with my .30 whereas it DOES happen with the. 25. The HYDROSTATIC SHOCK of the larger caliber is what puts the prey down, not the rate of penetration.
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my .30 produces 105fpe and my .25 does 91fpe.
both are AGT offerings.
when hunting hogs, the .30 rolls them in a dust cloud and down......with the .25,
and the same POI and distance exactly, you gotta wait til the dust clears to see which way it headed off to die. both of them take hogs very well with the correct placement, but i prefer the .30 so i dont have to blood trail to find the critter....
both are AGT offerings.
when hunting hogs, the .30 rolls them in a dust cloud and down......with the .25,
and the same POI and distance exactly, you gotta wait til the dust clears to see which way it headed off to die. both of them take hogs very well with the correct placement, but i prefer the .30 so i dont have to blood trail to find the critter....
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The fallacy of Donnie’s experimental parameters is that almost nobody ups from a .25 to.30 to match the energy level. The object is to shoot a heavier projectile at least as fast as the smaller caliber to gain energy. 
Wonder how that affects the ‘deadliness’?
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Boy there is a lot to process here. To really test the deadlier of the 2 would be kinda morbid. And is it worth the cost.
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Retained energy matters.The fallacy of Donnie’s experimental parameters is that almost nobody ups from a .25 to.30 to match the energy level. The object is to shoot a heavier projectile at least as fast as the smaller caliber to gain energy.
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So if you could stabilize a .22 cal projectile @ 70 FPE it should outperform the .25 based on his method of testing…
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yes and likely get complete pass throughs.. , not that it would be bad, but I don't think it's reasonable to compare caliber by the energy, I think it should be the same fps.. no matter what caliber.. and you definitely will find more energy in the larger caliber going the same speed as a small caliber..
I have also had times where because of wind my 22 PCP will outperform my 17 hmr doing 2500 fps.. it's not as stable as 22..
that's one thing that I wish we could get in pellets.. so Hornady has a hollow point in 17 hmr that is good for coyote size.. but they also have a polymer tipped one that I found extremely safe.. upon impact they disintegrate into dust.. no ricochet and no pass through..
sort of like the dust devils?
that would be nice to have in a pellet, so as long as something is in your sights even if it is just a twig that's as far as it goes.. but maybe it's not possible in subsonic pellet speed?
although all around I prefer the quiet of the air guns.
mark
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my .30 produces 105fpe and my .25 does 91fpe.
both are AGT offerings.
when hunting hogs, the .30 rolls them in a dust cloud and down......with the .25,
and the same POI and distance exactly, you gotta wait til the dust clears to see which way it headed off to die. both of them take hogs very well with the correct placement, but i prefer the .30 so i dont have to blood trail to find the critter....
What is your aim point?
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To what distance are you getting these results? I have a 17hmr and a 17wsm, to say that a .22 pcp will outperform a 17hmr is up there. Also, if you've never tried shooting the .177 10gr jsb ko, they will pretty much turn themselves inside out like a donut once it goes into your quarry shooting them above 920fps
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just stating what I have experienced, if it is windy and blowing sideways then the lighter 17 hmr or worse yet 177 pellets tend to get blown around.. I rarely ever shoot rifle under 50 yards.. mostly 100+
actually on a windy day I have seen at 1/4 mile with 22lr be 30' off but consistent.. my old German made Diana rws 34. .177 was not very good with even just a breeze but my 48 in 22 was fine.. I just think that light projectile is more sustainable to wind.. and hmr is great if no wind but it going so fast I think it becomes unstable.Upvote 0
as far as you mentioned that the pellets turn wrong side out, that is good but not the point I was referring to with the 17 hmr polymer tipped one.. it literally disintegrate.. I shot a phone book and there's was a cavity in the middle and just gray dust, I don't know what happens to the polymer.. I am just thinking that would be wonderful for PCP of any caliber because I have done long shots and been just a little bit off and clipped a twig and it's disintegrate.. where the hollow point keeps going..just stating what I have experienced, if it is windy and blowing sideways then the lighter 17 hmr or worse yet 177 pellets tend to get blown around.. I rarely ever shoot rifle under 50 yards.. mostly 100+
I'm assuming that it has something to do also with how fast it is going.. not sure that any pellets would be able to disintegrate at the speeds we shoot.. I just like the safety factors of it turning into dust.. I have never shot BB dust devils but I assume that is as close to it as you can get.
I did have a time that I had a ground squirrel eating my ripe corn and he was 50 yards away and it was blowing sideways and I used the scoped 17 hmr polymer and totally missed him.. I have not had much practice with side winds and scopes.. so I got my open sights 22 PCP and he was hiding then in my disc.. so when his head popped up he chitter at me and a single shot and he stole corn no more.. now to be fair I am very good with windage and elevation with open sights.. all my friends used to say that if I could see it I could hit it.. but not so with the scope.. was before they put mil dots in so you just have the cross
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Gotcha, I was just wondering distances cause I try to shoot my 17hmr often, but I pest with my pcps 5-6 days a week. And I haven't tried testing the rimfire against the pcp pellets or slugs in any caliber due to the 17hmr having a better BC than anything under .45 cal unless you're talking altaros slugs or the really heavy .22 slugs from zan or patriot javelinsjust stating what I have experienced, if it is windy and blowing sideways then the lighter 17 hmr or worse yet 177 pellets tend to get blown around.. I rarely ever shoot rifle under 50 yards.. mostly 100+
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Well, I only know of two people who make slugs that can fragment upon impact, given that's the closest we can really get with the velocities that we can accurately shoot airguns, Dale from varmint knockers makes 22gr xlhp and they always exploded inside iguana skulls, all I could ever find were slivers fragments of lead. And dana from Idaho. He makes the terminador slugs and in .22 and .177 they act like a grenade.
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yes I'm think that the bc is better on all 17 or 177 than 22 caliber, it's just lightweight projectile is more suspectable to the wind.. but 177 does shoot flatter.. I have often wondered about turning up a 22 PCP, with a slug barrel, other than no choke I think twist rate has to be right for the slugs and speed but I have often wondered about turning the avenger X with a tank on high port to shoot slugs fast similar to rimfire for longer distances and yet be able to go to low port setting for short range pellets.. probably sort of possible but I think it is pushing the avenger X too much for the heavy fast slugs and then at that setting it's likely not going to be perfect for the pellets.. it seems like you have to have a separate gun for slugs than pellets..
one big reason I was thinking about trying that but I guess I gave up on the idea is that I have a liberty nova 22 and it has a very good group with jsb 18 round nose out to 160 yards and then I back up to 170 and you would think I had a scatter gun.. so at 160 everything was easily in a 3" bullseye that was on a 24" square plywood propped up on top of a 55 gallon barrel.. and at 170 yards it just went anywhere except the plywood.. some high, low, right and left.. thought I might be having a bad day but I took my Henry golden boy 22 and it put everything in the bullseye even past 200 yards.. and again that was with open sights..
so basically I was wanting to be able to use a PCP and be able to shoot from 50 yards to 1/4 mile instead of 22lr.. but it seems like it will take a special rifle to do that.. like a airforce texan 308.. or 45 is what I have been told.. if you have any other ideas I'd love to hear them, you can even PM me if you want to discuss what you think can be done with PCP.. just to let you know, I don't shoot 177 pellets anymore because of carpal tunnel, there just too small to handle..
I need to check out the two slugs you recommended.. do you have a link to the website for each one?
or like the best place to buy them..
I have really enjoyed the jsb jumbo monster redesigned 25 grain pellets.. lots quieter but it sure makes a smack..
again I would like to talk more about this in detail to see what can be done with airgun, I love to watch the Quigly bucket challenge with PCP and they always seem to use the Texan 45 but I'm worried that I can't handle the recoil anymore.. so please PM me, I think you have knowledge to share that would greatly be helpful.
Mark
one big reason I was thinking about trying that but I guess I gave up on the idea is that I have a liberty nova 22 and it has a very good group with jsb 18 round nose out to 160 yards and then I back up to 170 and you would think I had a scatter gun.. so at 160 everything was easily in a 3" bullseye that was on a 24" square plywood propped up on top of a 55 gallon barrel.. and at 170 yards it just went anywhere except the plywood.. some high, low, right and left.. thought I might be having a bad day but I took my Henry golden boy 22 and it put everything in the bullseye even past 200 yards.. and again that was with open sights..
so basically I was wanting to be able to use a PCP and be able to shoot from 50 yards to 1/4 mile instead of 22lr.. but it seems like it will take a special rifle to do that.. like a airforce texan 308.. or 45 is what I have been told.. if you have any other ideas I'd love to hear them, you can even PM me if you want to discuss what you think can be done with PCP.. just to let you know, I don't shoot 177 pellets anymore because of carpal tunnel, there just too small to handle..
I need to check out the two slugs you recommended.. do you have a link to the website for each one?
or like the best place to buy them..
I have really enjoyed the jsb jumbo monster redesigned 25 grain pellets.. lots quieter but it sure makes a smack..
again I would like to talk more about this in detail to see what can be done with airgun, I love to watch the Quigly bucket challenge with PCP and they always seem to use the Texan 45 but I'm worried that I can't handle the recoil anymore.. so please PM me, I think you have knowledge to share that would greatly be helpful.
Mark
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For dales slugs look up varmint knockers
And for dana look up his user nsme I'll post screenshots from ebay.
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