1st post. Just saying Hi
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I'm looking at either the 22 or 25. I'm interested in accuracy and I suppose I'm splitting hairs here but the distance of a width of a hair can sometimes mean winning a match or not.
22.....faster, flatter trajectory
25....more energy, slower, better against the wind.
Then there is pellet selection of which I know nothing about.
I figure either will dispatch a Grey squirrel.
Which of these calibers wins more matches?
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I think the .22 is more versatile and also cheaper to shoot.
Either is more than enough for hunting squirrels.
Either is more than enough for hunting squirrels.
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@Tifford Many of us order pellets from online vendors. An advantage of .177 and .22 calibers is that we also have the option of purchasing pellets from sporting goods stores and places like Wally’s World. If you have a gun that shoots cheap Crosman pellets accurately on a consistent basis I’d say you’ve got a decent gun.
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Based on everything you’ve told us about yourself- firearms experience, property access and distance, financials in place, and firearm use at your type of work, you've got all the ingredients already in place to just dive into this hobby head first. I can tell that you’ll learn fast, and be a seasoned vet in no time. I’d also say a year from now you’ll probably own up to 6 PCP’s, especially once you discover the sheer pleasure of shooting a fine piece of workmanship, typically more accurate than the powder burners you already own.
Yes, for sure try the cheaper Ammo and see if it works, but when seeking top tier Ammo look at FX, JSB, H&N, AA, and many more.
Trenier Outdoors is a great place to buy Ammo, and the big 4 are great places to source parts and pieces- Airguns of Arizona, Pyramid Air, utah Airguns, Airgun Depot.
Start hanging out in the compressor and tank section as compressed air is the lifeblood of a pcp, and to learn the ins and outs of being air independent is an apprenticeship all its own. Safety is key with high pressure air
Welcome aboard. The folks that chimed in before me on your welcome are great “go to” folks with a lot of knowledge
Yes, for sure try the cheaper Ammo and see if it works, but when seeking top tier Ammo look at FX, JSB, H&N, AA, and many more.
Trenier Outdoors is a great place to buy Ammo, and the big 4 are great places to source parts and pieces- Airguns of Arizona, Pyramid Air, utah Airguns, Airgun Depot.
Start hanging out in the compressor and tank section as compressed air is the lifeblood of a pcp, and to learn the ins and outs of being air independent is an apprenticeship all its own. Safety is key with high pressure air
Welcome aboard. The folks that chimed in before me on your welcome are great “go to” folks with a lot of knowledge
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Welcome Tifford, congrats on your choice of air guns. (They are like eating potato chips.) One is never enough. There are many quality rifles out there that are similar to AR configurations. I have a 25 cal carbine that is semi auto in 25 cal. Accuracy is good enough to shoot shotgun shells at 50yds.
Choses on caliber are personal preference. I have 5 different calibers from 177 - 30. They all serve a purpose but the utitlity calibers would be for me 22 and 25.
Choses on caliber are personal preference. I have 5 different calibers from 177 - 30. They all serve a purpose but the utitlity calibers would be for me 22 and 25.
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The good news is that a body or head shot with a medium power (anything) should be very possible. Going beyond 40 is where you need to be more selective.
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Still in the air between the 22 and 25.
My thoughts are the 25 should be more accurate. Maybe I'm wrong but the 25 should be slower which gets the pellet away from the sound barrier a bit more. I've read somewhere that the sound barrier or getting close to it imparts a wobble on the projectile or something similar to a wobble.
I've been reading up on bench rest matches and it seems at least in one match where I was able to see the winning calibers that the 25 had an edge when it came to the top 10 shooters.
Then there's the 22. Faster but faster isn't necessarily better. Especially as it gets close to the sound barrier. Maybe I'm putting to much emphasis on that barrier and what it does to affect the flight of a projectile.
However, from what I've been reading, there are a vast number of 22 pellets to choose from. One article stated that there are 100 22s built for every 1 25 caliber. Seems like there should be more 22s at the bench/range than the 25.
Then there is the wind to consider. On a nice sunny no wind day, the guys who shoot 22s should be smiling whereas a slight wind at 100 yards should make the 25 caliber shooters grin from ear to ear.
More reading needs to be done. I will report back.
My thoughts are the 25 should be more accurate. Maybe I'm wrong but the 25 should be slower which gets the pellet away from the sound barrier a bit more. I've read somewhere that the sound barrier or getting close to it imparts a wobble on the projectile or something similar to a wobble.
I've been reading up on bench rest matches and it seems at least in one match where I was able to see the winning calibers that the 25 had an edge when it came to the top 10 shooters.
Then there's the 22. Faster but faster isn't necessarily better. Especially as it gets close to the sound barrier. Maybe I'm putting to much emphasis on that barrier and what it does to affect the flight of a projectile.
However, from what I've been reading, there are a vast number of 22 pellets to choose from. One article stated that there are 100 22s built for every 1 25 caliber. Seems like there should be more 22s at the bench/range than the 25.
Then there is the wind to consider. On a nice sunny no wind day, the guys who shoot 22s should be smiling whereas a slight wind at 100 yards should make the 25 caliber shooters grin from ear to ear.
More reading needs to be done. I will report back.
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I think I've finally decided on a rifle.
RAW HM1000X with shroud, red wooden stock in 25 caliber and a right handed model.
The wooden stock goes against what I previously said about being similar to the rifle at my place of work. I figure to shoot well I need to be comfortable and the wood will do that for me.
My only concern is that a review I read said the company was recently sold and the quality has gone down. Any word on the quality control?
RAW HM1000X with shroud, red wooden stock in 25 caliber and a right handed model.
The wooden stock goes against what I previously said about being similar to the rifle at my place of work. I figure to shoot well I need to be comfortable and the wood will do that for me.
My only concern is that a review I read said the company was recently sold and the quality has gone down. Any word on the quality control?
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Tifford, do you see that large black hole in the ground? Well you have a choice, back away or jump in. That Rabbit Hole has no bottom and many off shoots, every one of them will reduce your bank balance. Welcome
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Seeing as you will eventually wind up with both...... .22 for serious skill building and .25 for reaching out. .22 ammo is way less expenswive. You will be spending hard time getting things set up and finding the magic pellet. Every gun has a pellet it absolutely loves. Then you start thinking about slugs.....oh oh.
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Being you’re in upstate NY don’t forget about The pellet shop and Northeast airguns. Much closer to your location, maybe even worth a drive if you want to get hands on a few guns before purchasing.
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Hi Tiff, If your going to compete you'll find the most popular caliber is 177. You may need a compressor and bottle for that. From my back door all I need is the Yong Heng compressor.
I own a FX Dream,22 cal walnut stock ( that was a good day,I won that rifle here on AGN,check out the review by AEAC))) and a 22 cal Hatsan Flashup bullpup.(same reviewer) ( Steve is the best reviewer out there ) . Both are accurate beyond belief. The Flash out to a solid 50 yds and the FX to the edge of my property ( 67 yds from my shooting position ). My guess is you will get bored with the PCP,s and start collecting Weirach and Air Arms spring air rifles. That's where you'll scratch that itch.
I own a FX Dream,22 cal walnut stock ( that was a good day,I won that rifle here on AGN,check out the review by AEAC))) and a 22 cal Hatsan Flashup bullpup.(same reviewer) ( Steve is the best reviewer out there ) . Both are accurate beyond belief. The Flash out to a solid 50 yds and the FX to the edge of my property ( 67 yds from my shooting position ). My guess is you will get bored with the PCP,s and start collecting Weirach and Air Arms spring air rifles. That's where you'll scratch that itch.
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Didn't talk to anyone in person yet. Been working late. Just sitting down at my home just now.
Pretty sure on what rifle and caliber I'll get though.
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I haven’t dealt with northeast but they are certainly close enough to be a decent option.
I have dealt with the pellet shop. Most recently bought a RAW chassis gun from them. If you text their number, at reasonable hours, you most likely will get a text back. The owners name is Bin. He’ll call you if your conversation warrants it.
Good luck in your journey. It’s only money, you can make more...
I have dealt with the pellet shop. Most recently bought a RAW chassis gun from them. If you text their number, at reasonable hours, you most likely will get a text back. The owners name is Bin. He’ll call you if your conversation warrants it.
Good luck in your journey. It’s only money, you can make more...
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