1 Mile Airgun Shooting - First Time in History - Newly prepared M24 rifle set

On this thread we will gradually add more other video parts of this mini-series with shooting at crazy long range distances, and at the same time we will gradually reveal here the newly prepared Altaros M24 rifle, which will be able to shoot even more accurately and at a longer distance than the rifle in the video on one mile !
We will offer the rifle in a unique set with all needed accessories for shooting over 1000 yards right out of the box.

1 Mile Airgun Shooting - First Time in History - Part One

More information about the upcoming M24 rifle set can be found on our website, including photos of the newly prepared aluminum stock:
https://www.altaros.cz/content/70-1-mile-airgun-shoting-first-time-in-history
 
MadCowCrazy2 : a colleague accidentally changed the order of altaros and airgun in his email on linked website, but your email arrived at [email protected], So I'll answer you tomorrow.

steve123: yes it will take some time, the slug climbs to a height of 131m (430 ft ) and then starts to descend again, so watching the wind somewhere near the ground is pointless :)
 
I still forgot one piece of information for those who have been following my information here on the forum for a long time.
Today we signed a special agreement with UPS regarding the possibility of shipping the airgun to the USA, so one big obstacle should be removed soon (we are just waiting for the formalities)
 
I don't understand how they can see through the scope with the barrel pointed at that angle up in the air. Crazy, but don't intrest me in the least.
It's that weird periscope looking thing on the end of his scope I believe. Otherwise he be looking at just sky🥴
Crazy angle.....straight up artillery launching style🤣🎩🤙
 
I consider acceptable ELR accuracy to be when you have better than a 50% chance of hitting a 4moa target on the first shot. At one mile, that’s about a 6’ diameter circle. If you can hit that 3 for 5, most every attempt, you’ve got something.

Even at 600yds, a cold bore, 3/5 on a 2’ target would be an impressive demonstration.
 
I consider ACCEPTABLE ELR ACCURACY to be when you have better than a
50% chance of hitting a
4 moa target
on the first shot.
At one mile, that’s about a 6’ diameter circle. If you can hit that 3 for 5, most every attempt, you’ve got something.

Scott, 👍🏼

I find it helpful that you have identified a criterium for measuring performance in this new area of airgunning....

For 3 years now I have been
dreaming of doing eXtreme Long Range shooting (XLR). 😇

For 1 year I have been
scheming to do XLR. 😊

And for 6 months now I have been contretely
➧plotting to enter XLR. 😄
So far I got a high performance range finder.
An an XLR scope.
I'm still waiting for the right gun to be released.
Slugs... — that depends on the gun. But I'd love to shoot Altaros. Or swage my own.


Personally, I find it extremely
➧FASCINATING 😲
to crunch a bunch of numbers, push buttons and dial knobs, and after squeezing the trigger, you HIT something —
that most people can't even see with the unaided eye.
Neither do they know that you just fired a shot.
Fascinating.

Matthias
 
I can't drive an rc car without crashing it.
You should look into the 1:10 scale off-roaders, their top speed is jogging / brisk walking speed, so not that that kill them.
Mind you the little suckers are powerful and can snap a solid steel axle just fine, you are often amazed that " did that little sucker just drive up that"
Also in spite of their modest speeds, well it can still get to be a expensive hobby, the market for aftermarket parts are big for most brands / models, so it can get to be a deep hole too.
 
Reminds me of something, But I just can't put my finger on it. Nice lobbing!

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I consider acceptable ELR accuracy to be when you have better than a 50% chance of hitting a 4moa target on the first shot. At one mile, that’s about a 6’ diameter circle. If you can hit that 3 for 5, most every attempt, you’ve got something.

Even at 600yds, a cold bore, 3/5 on a 2’ target would be an impressive demonstration.
First off I would like to congratulate you on your recent RMAC Big Bore win in this competiton. Very nice result, good shoting, nicely built rifle and well prepared other equipment.

now on to your post:

You put the word accuracy correctly, unlike most other shoters (even I often get it confused, especially in the English language), because there is a big difference between the word accuracy and precision.

Under the term accuracy is included everything necessary to hit the target (cold shot), which at the 600 yards you mentioned means that the characteristics of the shooting system (rifle and ammunition) mean only about 50% success here. The other 50% have nothing to do with the rifle and ammunition at all.

Precision, unlike accuracy, is precisely defined for the characteristics of the rifle and ammunition and clearly indicates what MOA dispersion on the target at a given distance a particular shooting system achieves.

This is absolutely essential for understanding my whole post therefore it is necessary to define it first.
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Overall accuracy consists of the precision weapon system and marksman imput error and the inaccuracy of other equipment. This means the error of the input of all variables (wind, temperature, pressure, distance, angle, BC, MV, etc). Some inputs can be damaged by the shooter itself (estimation of wind direction and strength), other is error equipment used (accuracy of rangefinder, accuracy of chronograph, accuracy of ballistic coefficient measurement, used ballistics program, riflescope precision tracking ).
All of this is accuracy, so all of this will affect whether you hit with the first shot or not.

Precision, on the other hand, is what group you make at a given distance, and that is best when the wind can be eliminated (which is not possible, but all the inaccuracies of other inputs disappear if the shooting takes place, for example, for 5-10 shots in a short time)
Another example of Precision, more from practice, is the percentage of success with which you hit the target, for example, out of 10 shots when you know that your impact is correctly set exactly on the midle of target (ideally, of course, in zero wind).

As a manufacturer of airguns and ammunition (slugs), the only thing I can present is precision, because everything else is out of our control and each shooter has to solve it himself, because we don't decide which chronometer he uses to measure our rifle or slug for MV. Which riflescope he mounts on the rifle, which ballistics program he uses, or how accurate the rangefinder can afford and most importantly, how capable it is of reading the direction and strength of the wind.

So my presentation as an airgun and slug manufacturer must always be focused on precision, even if for longer distances it can never be fully separated from the shooter's ability to shoot accurately and, above all, read the wind correctly.
In addition, the accuracy is practically impossible to show on YouTube, let alone trust it, unless it is footage directly from an RMAC-type competition. The reason for this is that the video author may always tell you it was a first shot, but in reality it could be the first shot after the previous 10 shots he first shot his rifle at the given distance and conditions. That's why the only serious videos are those that show precision, not "first shots" or a lot of video editing between shots.

Now I will show you scientifically what the difference between accuracy and precision is in practice:

this is a screenshot from Applied ballistics analytics, a program used by the world's leading ELR shooters (King 2 miles competition,etc)

In this first picture is a model example for a 600 yard 4MOA target (I used one of my .25 rifles for it and MW 270 m/s 885 fps)
This is an almost pure simulation of the precision of shooting system, where I left only one change imput, the wind uncertainty + - 0.5 mph, all other inputs that are not related to airguns or slugs are turned off.
600 yard -no standard variable.png


as you can see the probability of hitting a 4MO target at 600 yards (550m) is practically 100%

The second image shows how a 100% probability quickly becomes a lower probability if our estimate of wind strength changes from +- 0.5 mph to + - 2mph or more. (personally I don't think I'm capable of estimating better than + - 1 mph and I still like it a lot)
600 yard -no standard variable-wind error.png


so even with an error in estimating the wind force of 2mph, we only have 60% of the 100% probability of hitting left
(accuracy of the rifle and slug remained the same, only the error from the shooter regarding the wind increased)

Now we will look at the case of accuracy for input errors as the program is set by default with the difference that we will use the wind error + - 1mph
600 yard standard variable.png


This result is still very decent with a first shot hit probability of 88%. Unfortunately, this is still not a realistic case that is likely to occur in practice.

Now we will include one significant input error and that is the muzzle velocity variability, which we have increased from + - 0.7 fps (the standard deviation of this my rifle and slug when shooting like 20 shots in a row)
to + - 3fps.
This number is not random, but takes into account both the precision with which the muzzle velocity of the given system was measured ( precision of the chronograph measurement) and the fact that the muzzle velocity changes as the barrel gradually becomes dirty. Not to mention that if the rifle had not been fired at all for a long time before, then only temperature changes (change in pressure behind the regulator) can cause greater deviations than the deviation given here for all the imput error above.

600 yard standard variable-cold bore.png


so suddenly we have only a 73% hit probability from 100% and unfortunately we still haven't counted all variables imput.

This is what the average chance of a hit might look like for a shooter using reasonably decent gear and able to estimate 1,5mph winds and have a really good riflescope:
600 yard standard variable-cold bore-avarge imput error.png


So the reality is that from the 100% success rate guaranteed by the given shooting system, the probability has been reduced to 50% thanks to individual errors, whether by the shooter or the equipment.

As I have already stated, there is unfortunately one more crucial factor and that is the scope's error. Specifically, I am not dealing with the parallax error, which can also contribute, but above all the riflescope tracking error.
I will give an example.
Let's say that your riflescope has a tracking error of 1%, which is not bad at all, although nowadays you can find riflescopes that have less of this error and do not cost as much as a used car (Arken optics).
1% means for my shooting system that the required 43mRad click at 600 yards when I need to be exactly on the center of the target it will not be made precision, but will add 0.43mRad error = 1.5 MOA (up or down, it doesn't matter). But the target has a size of 4 MOA and half is 2 MOA (upper or lower half), so if I aim thanks to the error riflescope not at the center of the target but almost at the edge of the target, i.e. only 0.5 MOA above or below the edge of the target, then my probability of hitting the target will decrease drastically, unfortunately this is not included in the program, but I estimate that it will drop to 10-15%.
It is also necessary to realize that for firearms rifles a 1% scope error is not such a problem, because at the same 600 yards they use only 4.4 mRad, i.e. 10x less than for airguns and the scope error will therefore also be 10x smaller (0.043mRad = 0.15 MOA).

I didn't even mention some other error inputs liek accuracy of ballistic coefficient measurement and correctness from the point of view of reality of the ballistic function itself (G1 or G7 ) that further reduce the probability of a successful first hit, so in reality it will be even worse than what is stated here.

So yes, shoter can have a shooting system (airgun and slug) that will give them 100% certainty of a hit at a given distance, but unfortunately this does not mean that shoter and his other equipment are capable of this 100% certainty hit.

If it was my post too long and too scientific for someone, I'm sorry, but unfortunately physics won't excuse you for not hitting the first shot thanks to it, the only thing you can do is start using physics to your advantage, because without it you have no chance to even know where is the error, let alone expect a certain hit.
 
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Reminds me of something, But I just can't put my finger on it. Nice lobbing!
it is an equivalent shooting parameters like this one, or from the point of view of flight time, I was longer by approximately 1s. From the angle point of view, it is true that I had 130 mRad more (95 vs 230) ;)
 
It's that weird periscope looking thing on the end of his scope I believe. Otherwise he be looking at just sky🥴
Crazy angle.....straight up artillery launching style🤣🎩🤙
yes, you explained it mostly correctly, thanks :) .
In the next part, there will be the entire image from the riflescope, so it will be better to see what the shooter actually sees or does not see, even if the video confuses, because the shooter sees much better than it is on the video.
 
Now this is very awesome I wonder if my airforce condor .250 tuned for 200 foot pounds could shoot this far?
With the right slugs yes, but apart from whether or not it will hit there, it's also important to have good enough muzzle velocity consistency (preferably SD 1fps and better) to have some reasonable accuracy