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“Scotchmo”

“oldspook”Some folks would say that only a 100% probability of a hit is acceptable and so we should consider the ES to be the determining factor. The ES is a property of the string it represents and is statistically less significant than the SD because it is composed of only 2 samples in the sample set. If you use the ES of one string, the next string you shoot will almost certainly have a different ES, it might be larger or smaller but because it is only 2 samples from the sample set it will vary more widely than the Standard Deviation from set to set. So you would probably need to shoot a large number of strings to find out what your true maximum ES was… and then you would be into doing the Standard Deviation of your Extreme Spread… probably more pain than gain at that point.

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Is an MOA rifle one that hits 100% of shots inside of an inch circle? 100% of your last shot group might be inside of a 1 inch circle. That tells you what you just did (like ES). I consider an MOA gun to be one where the dispersion SD is 1/2moa. That tells me that 68% of the shots will be inside of an inch circle.

Each person would probably would define this differently. I call a rifle a MOA rifle if it ** consistently** keeps it’s shots touching a 1 MOA diameter circle. I guess if I had to say that in terms of SD then I want +/- 2 SD to fall within a one MOA circle. That is about 9 out of 10 shots in one MOA. I think that is an individual thing. By my definition there aren’t many MOA rifles outside the BR world.

For reference; here is a target I just did for 20 meters (22 yards) which has 1 MOA rings. Center dot is 1 MOA, then 2 thru 5 MOA. Fifty bulls on the target. If someone shot 45 out of 50 on that target I’d say the rifle was shooting MOA and put the misses off onto other factors. That is just me and other folks will most certainly have better definitions of a MOA rifle.

https://www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Targets/challenges/50-minute-challenge.pdf

"Scotchmo"Each person would probably would define this differently. I call a rifle a MOA rifle if it"oldspook"Some folks would say that only a 100% probability of a hit is acceptable and so we should consider the ES to be the determining factor. The ES is a property of the string it represents and is statistically less significant than the SD because it is composed of only 2 samples in the sample set. If you use the ES of one string, the next string you shoot will almost certainly have a different ES, it might be larger or smaller but because it is only 2 samples from the sample set it will vary more widely than the Standard Deviation from set to set. So you would probably need to shoot a large number of strings to find out what your true maximum ES was... and then you would be into doing the Standard Deviation of your Extreme Spread... probably more pain than gain at that point. ...Is an MOA rifle one that hits 100% of shots inside of an inch circle? 100% of your last shot group might be inside of a 1 inch circle. That tells you what you just did (like ES). I consider an MOA gun to be one where the dispersion SD is 1/2moa. That tells me that 68% of the shots will be inside of an inch circle.

**keeps it's shots touching a 1 MOA diameter circle. I guess if I had to say that in terms of SD then I want +/- 2 SD to fall within a one MOA circle. That is about 9 out of 10 shots in one MOA. I think that is an individual thing. By my definition there aren't many MOA rifles outside the BR world. For reference; here is a target I just did for 20 meters (22 yards) which has 1 MOA rings. Center dot is 1 MOA, then 2 thru 5 MOA. Fifty bulls on the target. If someone shot 45 out of 50 on that target I'd say the rifle was shooting MOA and put the misses off onto other factors. That is just me and other folks will most certainly have better definitions of a MOA rifle. https://www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Targets/challenges/50-minute-challenge.pdf**

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