Story time grab a beer it’s a long one

I know I have talked about this some before as it was all transpiring. And I was getting advice and guidance from the forum. But I think this is amazing and it is finally coming to an end.

I bought a fantastic modified Air Arms HFT-500 with a regulator. I love it . One night I went to say good night and the gauge on the fill probe was reading zero. I did not have a compressor or a tank just a hand pump. So I tried to pump it up and it would not hold air at all. After fooling around I found air coming out of a tiny hole in the air tube. I did not know anything about this gun. And being used and modified and living in Iowa there is no one that can help. The forum was helpful. But the problem was to hidden at the time.

I replaced all the O rings in the regulator and put it all together but still could not get it to hold any air. I have everything apart and I studied the diagrams and was able to find the air was bypassing the firing valve. It is held in place by a spring. I did not understand that the spring does not hold the valve closed. It holds it in place and air pressure holds the valve closed and sealed. LESSON ONE.

So i ordered a whole new block and valve seat.

It was still leaking out of the transfer port. What I did not understand was the hand pump cannot provide enough volume to push the valve shut. So I bought a compressor and after a lot of fiddle I got it to seal and shoot and everything was OK. Except ever since I had the gun it would only hold 2800 psi. If I filled it to 3000 or more it would go to 2800 and then hold that for weeks. I thought it was a feature of the regulator or something.

But to tune the gun I needed to drain and refill the whole thing and it was still leaking past the valve and difficult to fill when it’s empty.

LESSON TWO
You need a big rush of air from a strong compressor or a tank to shut the valve. The regulator blocks the air and that little compressor won’t do it. So I get a big compressor and a tank. Problem solved. The tank will fill it right up. And the gun is amazing. Then one night I go to say good night to it and the gauge is empty.

I take everything apart and after very careful investigation I find air is leaking from the fill probe in the quick fill unit. So I take it apart and find a screw with a scratch in it.

The screw holds an o ring that acts like a one way valve. Air can go in but not out. So the scratch would let out any air above 2800 psi. But when it gets cold it would let out all the air. The first time this happened the regulator moved forward exposing the vent hole. That was the original cause and effect that led me to replace the firing block and buy two compressors and a carbon fiber tank.

But it gets better. Before I figured out the problem and discovered the screw damage I ordered a new quick fill gauge from Apex . They shipped it out right away and FedEx lost it right away . Gone

So I called them and they were very sorry and said they would ship out a new replacement right away. But I am a motorcycle racer and can’t stand not to have back up parts. So I ordered a new air tube an Apex regulator with a debounce kit and hammer spring and proper transfer port drill the works. So now the whole air delivery system will be brand new. All because of a scratched screw.

Now I know about this gun and have no reservations about traveling to a competition and being able to address any problems that could arise.

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That side relieved screw is NOT stock & whomever did it also bypassed the slow fill nature of air moving around the threads of an unmolested screw. VERY HACK !!!
Glad your working threw it .... half azzed wrenching does make me cringe :sick:
I think the cut in the threads is OK but whoever did the cut must have been doing a lot and just messed up. I made a new screw and it seals and holds 3000 psi all week. If this gun did not put pellet on pellet at 50 yards I would not have been so patient .
 
Well...

You've sold me on not getting a PCP arm.

Cheers,

J~
You know I have a tx200 and have tuned it a lot. This gun is actually just as simple to deal with. But I don’t just sit and shoot a pcp for an hour . The springer is like I can always shoot a little better. The PCP is just so spot on I want to put it back in its case and hope nothing changes
 
You probably could have cocked the gun and taken the hammer spring pressure off the valve, closing it enough to let you hand pump it up. For guns with no free space in the hammer to valve relationship, cocking them takes the pressure off letting the valve close enough to seal.
 
You probably could have cocked the gun and taken the hammer spring pressure off the valve, closing it enough to let you hand pump it up. For guns with no free space in the hammer to valve relationship, cocking them takes the pressure off letting the valve close enough to seal.
I did that . That was not the issue. It was leaking past the seat without the action even installed.

If I increased the spring pressure on the seat it would seal with the hand pump. But then the velocity was 500 fps not 950. As I decreased the spring pressure the velocity went up. At 850 fps it has 16 ft lb and it gets over 60 shots. So I stopped there. I’m hoping the new parts will get it back to the 18 ft lb it had before.
 
I assumed the slot in the threads was an air passage . The one on the bevel is obviously a mistake. I had no reservations buying a used Air Arms because they always will have parts. This problem was in the aftermarket fill probe. Either way if I own it I have to be able to fix it or I will get rid of it while it is still working.