COYOTE HUNTING

Chukar60 said:

For some folks it isn’t about how many, it is about how.
That is why some folks fish with live bait and others use flys, why some folks hunt elk with a PB round and others use a bow.
Personally I don’t care how people hunt as long as it is legal and fair chase.
I killed a coyote with an air gun and it was a thrill. Once September rolls around I will be using both my PB and air powered rifles to hunt those coyotes.
Best of luck to all those chasing coyotes this year.

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I'm not knocking you do whatever floats your boat I hunted with traditional archery equipment for 30 years and for 10 years only hunted with a pistol for deer season so yeah I have no problem doing what you want. But be realistic about your expectations and know your limits is all I'm saying And be ethical. My state allows a 9 mm for deer season Pistol that is asinine. So even if it's legal doesn't mean it should be done. But don't compare how well an air rifle that gets 450 foot pounds to a powder burner that's getting four times that. This is like anything else and every group of hunters there's always that group that swears their way is the best way and you can't convince him otherwise it happened with traditional guys versus compound guys compound guys versus crossbows, in-line muzzleloader versus traditional side locks the list goes on and on. I'm all for doing something you think is more of a challenge because you enjoy it more that's fine I won't knock you for that.

Yeah I hunted with 44 mags,500 Wyoming express, 454, and 474 linebaughs for years. Most of these were going under 1200 ft./s with the lightest bullet being in a 265 wfnb. Mostly hunted with 350 grains. but I can promise you my 22 250 at 3750 with 53 grand Sierra boattail Hollow points does not go through and dump all its energy at any distance. Calling coyotes is fast paced and distances are depending on your terrain when the shot is taken. I don't wanna have to look down at a dope card to know my hold over. If you've got the patience for it or know it in your head that's great. I know with my rifle I can hold on fur out to 300 yards. I'm glad you enjoy the challenge but like I said not for me. And if they come in close(under 60)they get the 12 gauge shotgun sitting in my lap. I personally am not going out calling to educate coyotes to make them harder to kill but to lay the smack down and pile up as many as I can when I go. Now that thermal is legal here it's getting even harder to call them in because they get hammered all the time.
I'm fortunate because I have lots of places to go call. I'll have slow days and only kill one or 2 in 1/2 a dozen stands and I'll have days where I hunt till noon and kill 10 or 12.

If you use the right bullet the 22-250 will expand and make a much larger hole. Due to its velocity the temporary cavity will also be damaged tissue greatly expanding the damaged area. I would not consider a really rapid expansion bullet the right choice for coyotes (what if you hit the shoulder?) but if you use them you will not get pass through. If you put it in the lungs it will cause huge damage.

I agree that fpe is not a great measure of killing ability. It makes velocity too important which underestimates what large slower moving projectiles can do.

Cool. But I'll take a shotgun over pcp anyday. I have access to about 3,000 acres here that in laws farm and probably twice that I have permission to call on

To be honest I would take a shotgun over anything. I love to roll them up with them. Most of my double come that way. I'll let the first one in the pair get shotguned and then use the deuce on the other. If I'm calling with a guy who can shoot and call good. I'll go down wind 100yds or so with the shotgun and get the back door ones. That no one ever sees coming if we are calling cover. Most of the time it's an 1/4 to1/2 mile long wheat field

357cal said:

running a .22-250 starts with fast, flat shooting out to 300 yards, but if that coyote closes to 60 yards, you, reach down, grab and shoulder a shotgun, reacquire the target, and fire—taking 2 to 4 seconds—while the PCP shooter with a smart optic like the Zulus stays on target the whole time, seamlessly transitioning from long-range to close-quarters and firing in under a second without breaking position or flow. not to mention carrying the extra rifle and ammo. I'm good up to 200 yards and around here that's a long shot and I am one of the very few that hunt them. I guess I have been blessed with family-owned farm land even though it's in N.Y,LOL

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I do miss trees lol. Cover around here is a grown up fence row. lol

357cal said:

We have to much cover, I'll swap ya some

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Works for me. I grew up on the other side of the state with more trees than pastures. My number one love is squirrel hunting but not near as many on the western side. I had to adjust my coyote hunting because of the more open land hence the fast flat caliber. The Zulus on the big bore is a good idea and might have to get a 308 Texan or something like that to give it a shot on my
Close spots under 150 or less. I have a pard nightstalker I could take off my pesting pcp and use I guess. Surely a Texan will get at least 3 consistent shots or maybe get a One of those rattlers. Thats a lot of money though.

drsquall said:

I'm not knocking you do whatever floats your boat I hunted with traditional archery equipment for 30 years and for 10 years only hunted with a pistol for deer season so yeah I have no problem doing what you want. But be realistic about your expectations and know your limits is all I'm saying And be ethical. My state allows a 9 mm for deer season Pistol that is asinine. So even if it's legal doesn't mean it should be done. But don't compare how well an air rifle that gets 450 foot pounds to a powder burner that's getting four times that. This is like anything else and every group of hunters there's always that group that swears their way is the best way and you can't convince him otherwise it happened with traditional guys versus compound guys compound guys versus crossbows, in-line muzzleloader versus traditional side locks the list goes on and on. I'm all for doing something you think is more of a challenge because you enjoy it more that's fine I won't knock you for that.

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We agree with one another. Your views and frustrations are very similar to mine.

drsquall said:

I'll take my 22-250 any day over any Airgun no comparison. I think a lot of you Airgun guys are delusional on think you can keep up with the guy that knows what he's doing with the 22 250

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I have to say, I do agree with you, airguns can't make the 400yd shots that chop down Cayotes like PBs, there is no arguing that. But, if you enjoy the challenge and just like airguns, well, who cares? You do you guys (I know it sounds dumb, but when it comes down to it, it is all about your preferences on how you make a humane kill)

MightyMo said:

I have to say, I do agree with you, airguns can't make the 400yd shots that chop down Cayotes like PBs, there is no arguing that. But, if you enjoy the challenge and just like airguns, well, who cares? You do you guys (I know it sounds dumb, but when it comes down to it, it is all about your preferences on how you make a humane kill)

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Yeah it's what you enjoy for sure but coyote calling is so dynamic at times they come in slow others fast. For me personally I want a gun that I can hold on fur out to 300 yds and not worry about holdover. Yeah it that longer shots when they sit on me or booger bark at 350 plus and I have time to range it I will dial and send it. That very seldom happens. Most of my shots are around 150 or less and to be honest I'd rather roll them up with my 12gauge over all my guns. I'm getting to the point now in life that when calling with a partner I just bring my shotgun and let him dump them at distance or I go sit on downwind side a hundred yards away from him and wait.

drsquall said:

Yeah it's what you enjoy for sure but coyote calling is so dynamic at times they come in slow others fast. For me personally I want a gun that I can hold on fur out to 300 yds and not worry about holdover. Yeah it that longer shots when they sit on me or booger bark at 350 plus and I have time to range it I will dial and send it. That very seldom happens. Most of my shots are around 150 or less and to be honest I'd rather roll them up with my 12gauge over all my guns. I'm getting to the point now in life that when calling with a partner I just bring my shotgun and let him dump them at distance or I go sit on downwind side a hundred yards away from him and wait.

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That is super cool, I have a friend that was hunting turkey in SC... him and his brother were sitting behind some bushes calling in a tom, well, along comes a Coyote. The Coyote starts running towards them, my friend didn't know exactly what to think. Well, that Coyote comes bounding within 10 yds and is just about to pounce on what it thinks is a gobbler, when he just mag dumps it with his 12gauge. Man, hunting coyotes sounds like fun! I mean, if I was hunting Coyotes, I'd want a 6.5 Creedmoor with a thermal scope, LOL!

MightyMo said:

That is super cool, I have a friend that was hunting turkey in SC... him and his brother were sitting behind some bushes calling in a tom, well, along comes a Coyote. The Coyote starts running towards them, my friend didn't know exactly what to think. Well, that Coyote comes bounding within 10 yds and is just about to pounce on what it thinks is a gobbler, when he just mag dumps it with his 12gauge. Man, hunting coyotes sounds like fun! I mean, if I was hunting Coyotes, I'd want a 6.5 Creedmoor with a thermal scope, LOL!

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Lot of guys do the thermal thing at night and you will kill more but I like to see them work.

I actually enjoyed reading through this thread. Good stuff!!

I use my pcp’s for coyotes. Wooded mostly in Alabama so most shots around 60-70 yards. The advantage for me is it’s quiet, doesn’t spook the game in the area. Shooting 7 bhn slugs they open up well and do the job. Shooting pcp has made me a better shooter all around… more precise I would say, not taking any factors for granted. I believe every type of gun has its place. Main thing is to take ethical shots, be safety conscious and enjoy the sport.

oneshot61 said:

I use my pcp’s for coyotes. Wooded mostly in Alabama so most shots around 60-70 yards. The advantage for me is it’s quiet, doesn’t spook the game in the area. Shooting 7 bhn slugs they open up well and do the job. Shooting pcp has made me a better shooter all around… more precise I would say, not taking any factors for granted. I believe every type of gun has its place. Main thing is to take ethical shots, be safety conscious and enjoy the sport.

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Well said!

oneshot61 said:

I use my pcp’s for coyotes. Wooded mostly in Alabama so most shots around 60-70 yards. The advantage for me is it’s quiet, doesn’t spook the game in the area. Shooting 7 bhn slugs they open up well and do the job. Shooting pcp has made me a better shooter all around… more precise I would say, not taking any factors for granted. I believe every type of gun has its place. Main thing is to take ethical shots, be safety conscious and enjoy the sport.

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I agree 100% on every gun has its place. You stressed ethical shots and to me that's the utmost importance. Using your particular gun within its limits is my point. If it's a 50yd gun keep it that way. Just be realistic of your gun and its potential regardless of power source. Good post'

fishing43 said:

I’m in the great state of Illinois . No moderators allowed here. Let your landowners know what you will be doing and they won’t call the police. Shots fired around here are not illegal or given much thought. What is a 22 lr compared to your airgun/ fpe?

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.22LR is only about 120-140fpe….Subsonics are around 90-95fpe.

FPE means nothing if your slug passes right through your target. At that point the FPE delivered on target is only equivalent to the deceleration experienced by the slug as it passes through.

I was listening to a podcast the other day with a guy in Wisconsin who shoots 150-200 dogs a year with his .308 Texan. It’s his gun of choice out to 300y.

Personally I love the stopping power of airguns because if you aim right and use the correct projectile they are devastating. It may only be 120fpe on paper but my 61.5gr .303 slugs are bigger, heavier, softer than a .22LR…. And I spend a lot of time making sure I don’t get pass throughs so when I shoot something ALL of that fpe get transferred as that big soft slugs rattles around in there.

Some of you may scoff at the idea but I hunt a lot. Mostly small game but I see how devastating they can be.

The Fpe needed to take a coyote is overestimated. It’s only about 50fpe generally. Granted some of those Canadian dogs and Midwest dogs are pretty big so you might need more. But in SW Utah they are thin skinned scraggly things in the 20-30lbs range… that’s not asking a lot of the high powered slug shooting rifles we see these days.

For longer than 200y I absolutely prefer a PB but I wanna see the look on the f@&$ing thing’s face when I shoot him