N/A Webley Hurricane

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Man , I think I scored a beauty. Looks like keeper. A Webley Hurricane .22 cal.
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Such a cool looking gun. Honestly don’t know much about them. But love the design.
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Amazing the condition. I will shoot it, not a lot, but I will.
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Shot a few rounds. Not bad accuracy. Just about ripped out an inch of skin off leg jacking it. Technique is imperative. Crow

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yes, nice one
and yes, they can be a hard to cock
they are a Tempest in reality, different frame so the rear sight can be in place an there is or was a scope mount that replaces the rear sight
plenty of parts in the UK at either Knibbs or Chambers and they are easy to work on
you are missing the front sight cover
https://www.airgunspares.com/gunspares/airgun-spares/webley/hurricane.html
you have the upgrade grip that Beeman offered which is nice
https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery...emera/webley-tempest-hurricane-owners-manual/

https://www.pyramydair.com/airgun-resources/manuals/Temptest.pdf
so that is some stuff i would keep around
i use the pry apart technique on cocking, open it up and put the palm of your hand on the bottom of the barrel and grab the gun in the other hand and pretend you are straightening a piece of metal bar
enjoy Mike
 
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marflow 777 said:
yes, nice one
and yes, they can be a hard to cock
they are a Tempest in reality, different frame so the rear sight can be in place an there is or was a scope mount that replaces the rear sight
plenty of parts in the UK at either Knibbs or Chambers and they are easy to work on
you are missing the front sight cover
https://www.airgunspares.com/gunspares/airgun-spares/webley/hurricane.html
you have the upgrade grip that Beeman offered which is nice
https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery...emera/webley-tempest-hurricane-owners-manual/

https://www.pyramydair.com/airgun-resources/manuals/Temptest.pdf
so that is some stuff i would keep around
i use the pry apart technique on cocking, open it up and put the palm of your hand on the bottom of the barrel and grab the gun in the other hand and pretend you are straightening a piece of metal bar
enjoy Mike
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Thanks for the info. Appreciated. Crow
 
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crowski said:
Man , I think I scored a beauty. Looks like keeper. A Webley Hurricane .22 cal. View attachment 578450Such a cool looking gun. Honestly don’t know much about them. But love the design.View attachment 578451Amazing the condition. I will shoot it, not a lot, but I will. View attachment 578452Shot a few rounds. Not bad accuracy. Just about ripped out an inch of skin off leg jacking it. Technique is imperative. Crow

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Nice , wonderful condition for a gun this old . I hold the gun in my hand just like i was going to shoot , place the underside gun in hand against my upper leg and jack the barrel off to the outside of my leg .
 
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I love those guns! IMHO the Hurricane and Tempest "family" are true classics. Along with the FWB 65, those are two air pistols I'd never be without.

Interesting trivia: the alloy grip / frames for the Hurricane and Tempest were cast in molds that did two at a time, ingeniously trapping the steel cylinder inside. All are actually "born" as Hurricanes - a Tempest required the extra step of milling the rear "tail" off. The only other differences are the front barrel shroud casting, and name on the fore end sleeve.

Yours is a late production example. The nice wide trigger blade and slightly shorter muzzle shroud give it away. The lovely wood aftermarket grips are another plus - beautiful pistol!

The traditional way to cock one of these is shown in this pic from the linked manual - hold it out in front of you, with the frame in one hand, and the other hand reversed so your thumb is near the muzzle. This makes efficient use of the muscles in your chest and both arms.
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beerthief said:
Nice , wonderful condition for a gun this old . I hold the gun in my hand just like i was going to shoot , place the underside gun in hand against my upper leg and jack the barrel off to the outside of my leg .
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Thanks Stan. That’s kinda the way I pinched myself. Crow
MDriskill said:
I love those guns! IMHO the Hurricane and Tempest "family" are true classics. Along with the FWB 65, those are two air pistols I'd never be without.

Interesting trivia: the alloy grip / frames for the Hurricane and Tempest were cast in molds that did two at a time, ingeniously trapping the steel cylinder inside. All are actually "born" as Hurricanes - a Tempest required the extra step of milling the rear "tail" off. The only other differences are the front barrel shroud casting, and name on the fore end sleeve.

Yours is a late production example. The nice wide trigger blade and slightly shorter front shroud give it away. The beautiful wood aftermarket grip is another plus - beautiful pistol!

The traditional way to cock one of these is show in this pic from the linked manual - hold it out in front of you, with the frame in one hand, and the other hand reversed so your thumb is near the muzzle. This makes efficient use of the muscles in your chest and both arms.
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Thanks. I tried your method to jack this gem. Little wobbly at first but it works, I’ll adopt this. Crow
 
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Nice gun .....The constant grumble reg cocking the barrel of these over cockers was always a mystery to me.
Quite strong as a kid, i cocked the things for fun...and using a variety of methods.
Maybe the 1000s of rounds I put through the 5 models had during my youth resulted in me barely noticing cocking them now.
Conclusion....Man up and get cocking your pistols. If you are a youth using one, reap the rewards of cocking one in later life.
 
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No honestly wasn't aiming to do that at all.
Just suggesting shooters don't get too hung up on these guns being too tough to cock and possibly getting put off ownership.
Maybe I should have clarified that.
The force never stopped me shooting my first at 12 however, it might have caused my wrist to ache...I can't honestly remember.
The bigger problem was cocking the Webley Premier before it's thumb catch went to a chequered pattern.
The early variants had grooves which could chew at the thumb a bit, but even then the skin toughened up so that I'd hardly notice.
That's why I Suggested just getting on and shooting.
I was just using colloquial banter with the "Man up and shoot your pistols" I'm sorry it offended you.

If you are struggling to cock your gun maybe knock a couple of coils off the mainspring, it brings with it milder mannered shooting without too much loss in power....maybe 1/2 ftlb of loss.
 
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I shot the pistol just night using MDriskill‘s method. Worked perfectly after some repetition. This takes stress off the jacking hinge as well.
First time I ever saw a gun like this is when I opened this package.
Not struggling to jack. Just found awkward first time, pinched my leg and woke me up. Ha ha Crow
 
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Keep in mind that pic is not "my" cocking method, but recommended by a factory that started making over-barrel air pistols in the 1920's LOL.

The "Tempicanes" do have a bit of a learning curve, but get better over time as they wear in and smooth out. Cocking 'em gets better with a bit of practice - and so does the trigger. "Break-in time" seems a foreign concept to folks of the digital generation, but we old analog guys are used to it! (Back when these were current models, it's amazing how many guys would sell new ones after only a few shots, due to carping about the trigger. I picked up several bargains that way!)

BTW...Stevoo is a very helpful gent who REALLY knows his stuff. Keep in mind he's on the other side of the pond where slang, syntax, and connotation can be a little different! :p
 
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Cheers buddy, I agree the true English can be a bit insensitive at times for the sake of making a jovial point. Sometimes the sense of humour is missed by the rest of the world and the dumb Englishman left wondering why he's upset people.

That correct technique as you state (as far as Webley was concerned) was shown inside the box of Seniors and Premiers for eons.
I suppose the least risk of injury would be over the knee for the mechanical advantage but potentially expensive on jeans.
Triggers varied across the models, but all were more than useable and improved with use.
Seniors the toughest but could be improved with the alternative flat leaf spring. My recommendation.
A genuine OEM product and still available from John Knibbs UK. The little spring in the trigger hole on these was ok but would cant over slightly in its location hole and gall. You could feel it slightly.
I always fitted the Leaf spring but it irritated me that the hole for the spring was now redundant.

Premiers and Mk1s could be adjusted down so light that they were potentially dangerous. I recommend finding this far margin of just about latching, then turning back a full turn to get a safer pressure around 3lbs pull.
TempestsHurricanes have a modification available explained on the 2 main English forums, or can be improved by getting hold of the wider trigger blade version if not already fitted.

I've tuned, rebuilt, bought and sold more than I can remember. We even used them instead of money in poker games at school. Kids would take the now ultra collectable Seniors or Premiers in their school bags to school to show other kids and get them stolen. That would horrify you guys now but we all had one.
I think you guys probably had the same fun and blaze attitude but with Crosman 150s I'm guessing?
 
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Thanks for the Webley pistol trigger tips! I don't have 'em all, so that's great info for the reference file.

It can be hard to convey tone and intent in a written message, all the more tricky when working from different dialectical bases (George Bernard Shaw famously described Britain and the US as, "two nations divided by a common language," lol).

Example: London subways have signs that read: DOGS MUST BE CARRIED TO RIDE ESCALATORS. If you live in the UK, that of course means, "Pick up your doggie when you get on the escalator." But to someone else, the same sentence can mean, "You are not allowed to ride the escalator unless you are carrying a dog!" :oops:
 
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crowski said:
I shot the pistol just night using MDriskill‘s method. Worked perfectly after some repetition. This takes stress off the jacking hinge as well.
First time I ever saw a gun like this is when I opened this package.
Not struggling to jack. Just found awkward first time, pinched my leg and woke me up. Ha ha Crow
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The Tempest was my first springer in the early eighties. I once upon a time, had a video (on Betamax) of my son at eight years old cocking and shooting the Tempest. That was my airgun renaissance years. 👍
 
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MDriskill said:
Thanks for the Webley pistol trigger tips! I don't have 'em all, so that's great info for the reference file.

It's always hard to convey tone and subtle intent in a written message, all the more tricky when working from different dialectical bases (Shaw described Britain and the US as, "two nations divided by a common language," lol).

Example: London subways have signs that read: DOGS MUST BE CARRIED TO RIDE ESCALATORS. If you live in the UK, that of course means, "Pick up your doggie when you get on the escalator." But to someone else, the same sentence can mean, "You are not allowed to ride the escalator unless you are carrying a dog!" :oops:
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Lol
I have been watching a couple Brits tour the US and they crack me up with that stuff, and made me think about conversing here on the forum.
One of my favorites was biscuits and gravy. That would be cookies with brown clear gravy on them in the UK. 👍
 
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The Hurricane was introduced in 1977, along with a similar junior pistol called the Typhoon. Sales of the Typhoon were so disappointing it was soon discontinued. The Hurricane also moved slower than expected, prompting development of the Tempest, whose compact lines more closely resembled the Mk I, Senior, Premier, etc., of yore. It hit the market in 1979.

My favorite bit of Webley trivia, is that during WW2 the company made parts for Hawker-designed fighter aircraft. Those were called the Hurricane, Typhoon, and Tempest! I love how this ties to my OTHER silly childhood hobby.

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There is more quality built into these than meets the eye. They are basically indestructible: the under-stressed spring drives a milled steel piston with a solid PTFE seal, and the breech seal a heavy rubber plug. The trigger, sear, and three cocking links are solid steel extrusions made in Germany. The humble factory plastic grips align the sights perfectly in my hand, but many nice aftermarket ones are made too. The compact Tempest may be the ultimate take-along air pistol, but the Hurricane's extra length and weight, better sights, and ability to take a scope are solid pluses.

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Lol
I have been watching a couple Brits tour the US and they crack me up with that stuff, and made me think about conversing here on the forum.
One of my favorites was biscuits and gravy. That would be cookies with brown clear gravy on them in the UK. 👍
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During my 3 weeks in Florida years back, I was a bit shocked to find biscuits on the main meal id ordered and asked if they were chocolate, or plain and thinking they must include the sweet with the main meal over here.
The waitress looked at me a bit dumb and rocked up 10 minutes later with a bread roll side, saying there's your biscuit sir.
 
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