I ask why?
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Well Gerry the pendulum got stuck and we have got a reprieve for a few years….
but you should be worried as when it swings again they’ll be coming for your
obnoxiously loud drums. Haaaa !!!
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Thank god Chicagoans are protected from the big bad airguns, now If only they did something about the 100,000 full auto toting vice lords, black p stones, Latin kings, 2-6ers,gangster disciples, 4 corner hustlers, Black disciples, Latin counts, Satans Disciples,etc etc etc.But, No, They catch a verified gang member with a Glock with a black market Chinese made auto sear “switch” spraying ruthlessly and aimlessly into crowds for “get back”, then deem him a “good boy turning his life around and deem that a prison sentence or even a high bond is (redacted) and instead let them out on recognizance in less than 72hrs because no witness is dumb or brave enough to speak up. If they do, That’ll be just dandy and maybe I can move back one day
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Attention ten , yes TEN
NON Airgun shootings in my city to blend in with the fireworks.
I can imagine the youths of Chicago cruising while filling and loading
their illegal Hubens and westerns. Pellets backwards in the dark car
overfilling and blowing a burst disc. Ohh the problems with air guns
when trying to defend your turf.
NON Airgun shootings in my city to blend in with the fireworks.
I can imagine the youths of Chicago cruising while filling and loading
their illegal Hubens and westerns. Pellets backwards in the dark car
overfilling and blowing a burst disc. Ohh the problems with air guns
when trying to defend your turf.
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I understand the power thing, with muscle cars, bass-boats and hunting equipment, I've been there in a number of ways.
The reasons for wanting "MORE" differes with each person.
I hunted whitetail deer for 50 years. The weapon power changed from 12 gauge to 30-30 to .308 to 30-06 to improve my success and make it easier to get venison. At some point, I realized that the challenge of the hunt was more important than meat in the freezer and I switched to archery. Several compound bows later I realized I was chasing performance (again) and switched to hunting with homemade wooden bows and arrows. Working with those "primitive" bows forced me to rely on skill rather than technology for success. Found that I could fill my tag with a homemade bow just as easy as I could with a 30-06. Didn't need the rifle for a 200 yard shot when setting up a 20 yard shot for the bow was not a problem.
As I'm on a first-name basis with all the local deer (known most of them since they were fawns) I don't deer hunt anymore. Find that I prefer to interact with them more than hunting them. Must be an "old guy" thing.
In this high-tech world I've found that that I (usually?) over complicate things and that "less" is often best. I'm not giving up my cabinet full of airguns but I fondly remember when a break-barrel springer, single-shot. 22 and shotgun was all I needed for hunting, ...for decades that's all I had.
Cheers!
The reasons for wanting "MORE" differes with each person.
I hunted whitetail deer for 50 years. The weapon power changed from 12 gauge to 30-30 to .308 to 30-06 to improve my success and make it easier to get venison. At some point, I realized that the challenge of the hunt was more important than meat in the freezer and I switched to archery. Several compound bows later I realized I was chasing performance (again) and switched to hunting with homemade wooden bows and arrows. Working with those "primitive" bows forced me to rely on skill rather than technology for success. Found that I could fill my tag with a homemade bow just as easy as I could with a 30-06. Didn't need the rifle for a 200 yard shot when setting up a 20 yard shot for the bow was not a problem.
As I'm on a first-name basis with all the local deer (known most of them since they were fawns) I don't deer hunt anymore. Find that I prefer to interact with them more than hunting them. Must be an "old guy" thing.
In this high-tech world I've found that that I (usually?) over complicate things and that "less" is often best. I'm not giving up my cabinet full of airguns but I fondly remember when a break-barrel springer, single-shot. 22 and shotgun was all I needed for hunting, ...for decades that's all I had.
Cheers!
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As an mechanical engineer I view the development of increasingly powerful airgun designs to be the natural evolution of the technology. As pointed out in an earlier post we see a similar tech progression and mismatch between need and availability in some consumer cars. Like the newest electric cars which have 3 motors (generating 10 HP per lb of engine weight) and running at over 1,000HP, Cadillac has a new EV model with a 600 mile range. More power and more range than ever, whether people need it or not it is available. Engineers love demanding design challenges like that and some segments of a consumer market are often waiting to fund the advancements. No one needs a family car that can exceed 200mph (the 600 mile range per charge would be nice though), but many would like to own one for bragging rights and to prop up their self-image.
Does anyone really need an AEA .72 1500fpe Zeus carbine or an AEA Megalodon .50 pump action airgun?
Apparently so if recent sales and forum chatter are any indication.
Increasingly advanced airgun designs which allow for more accuracy at distance, and which allow an airgun to be easily adjusted over a wide power range, in increasingly lightweight and compact packages, are the logical and obvious paths of progression for airgun designers. Because the US has had such a strong historic cultural linkage to the personal use of firearms for hunting and protection, many many people either own or are familiar with the capabilities of firearms at power levels ranging from 50fpe to over 3,000fpe. When you live in that cultural environment, airguns can easily be viewed as a weaker wanna-be relative to 'real firearms' which are just waiting to grow up technically, and to eventually be able compete directly with firearms in power levels.
There are already coil guns coming to market here which shoot coin sized metal disks using battery power. Those guys are going to be chasing a slice of the airgun market eventually at the same time that the airgun vendors continue nibbling at the edges of the firearm market. In the US people (not everyone of course) want projectile devices which mimic the capability of the firearms which many here believe are an intrinsic and necessary part of their cultural identity. And why not given the current conditions here? Almost anyone over 18 here can buy a large capacity pistol or a military style carbine or a .50 cal elephant rifle. Ironically enough it can be legally complicated to quiet the discharge on a firearm in many areas within the US, and much less complicated for airguns of similar power levels. Which is just another indication that local laws often distort market demand and the availability of advanced technologies.
People on airgun forums tend to think that the airgun market is a significant player in the US markets, but it's probably outdistanced by paintball sales and vastly outnumbered by firearm sales here. We mostly want our airguns to be as capable as firearms but without the chemical propellants and legal restrictions on ownership and noise reduction which are associated with traditional firearms. If the US wasn't already floating in a sea of high powered firearms, with about 1.2 firearms in circulation for every person in the US, then we would probably have a different national view about the role of airguns and their power levels. The average person here in the US, if there is such an animal, probably still considers most airguns to be relatively low power and mostly suitable for casual use by younger hunters or target shooters. That's because they don't care about airguns, either they don't shoot at all, or else they already have plenty of PB firepower at hand for their shooting needs.
JP
Does anyone really need an AEA .72 1500fpe Zeus carbine or an AEA Megalodon .50 pump action airgun?
Apparently so if recent sales and forum chatter are any indication.
Increasingly advanced airgun designs which allow for more accuracy at distance, and which allow an airgun to be easily adjusted over a wide power range, in increasingly lightweight and compact packages, are the logical and obvious paths of progression for airgun designers. Because the US has had such a strong historic cultural linkage to the personal use of firearms for hunting and protection, many many people either own or are familiar with the capabilities of firearms at power levels ranging from 50fpe to over 3,000fpe. When you live in that cultural environment, airguns can easily be viewed as a weaker wanna-be relative to 'real firearms' which are just waiting to grow up technically, and to eventually be able compete directly with firearms in power levels.
There are already coil guns coming to market here which shoot coin sized metal disks using battery power. Those guys are going to be chasing a slice of the airgun market eventually at the same time that the airgun vendors continue nibbling at the edges of the firearm market. In the US people (not everyone of course) want projectile devices which mimic the capability of the firearms which many here believe are an intrinsic and necessary part of their cultural identity. And why not given the current conditions here? Almost anyone over 18 here can buy a large capacity pistol or a military style carbine or a .50 cal elephant rifle. Ironically enough it can be legally complicated to quiet the discharge on a firearm in many areas within the US, and much less complicated for airguns of similar power levels. Which is just another indication that local laws often distort market demand and the availability of advanced technologies.
People on airgun forums tend to think that the airgun market is a significant player in the US markets, but it's probably outdistanced by paintball sales and vastly outnumbered by firearm sales here. We mostly want our airguns to be as capable as firearms but without the chemical propellants and legal restrictions on ownership and noise reduction which are associated with traditional firearms. If the US wasn't already floating in a sea of high powered firearms, with about 1.2 firearms in circulation for every person in the US, then we would probably have a different national view about the role of airguns and their power levels. The average person here in the US, if there is such an animal, probably still considers most airguns to be relatively low power and mostly suitable for casual use by younger hunters or target shooters. That's because they don't care about airguns, either they don't shoot at all, or else they already have plenty of PB firepower at hand for their shooting needs.
JP
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I went to the local gun show yesterday.... with some friends, just for fun. I've been to the gun show many times, and it's mostly overpriced junk. Some nice stuff for sale, but it's also generally overpriced or something you can buy at the local gun store for the same price with better service.
One thing I noticed this time was an increased presence of air guns. There was one dealer that was exclusively air guns, and I don't recall seeing that during previous visits.
While the US is awash with Freedom and guns, I think there may be an increase in interest in air guns. Sure, some gun people think of them as "toys." But air guns have come a LONG way since being just kids' "BB guns." I'm a very long-time firearms enthusiast with a pretty decent collection that far exceeds the "1.2 guns / American."
A couple of years ago, I saw some guys shooting air rifles on the range, and one of them let me shoot his (FX Impact M3). And that sparked my interest. It took two years, but I finally got an air rifle about a month ago (see my signature).My air rifle certainly won't replace my firearms. Firearms have purposes that cannot be fulfilled by air guns - self-defense being a rather important one. But I see it as just another facet of the marksmanship hobby. I'm having fun with it. And I may get other air guns... time will tell.
Americans may also find air guns more attractive now because of the increased performance, AND there are no (legal) restrictions at all with air guns. YET!
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If you can't, then maybe you should look at your freedom meter. Maybe it's hovering on zero. If in the US you can move to a state that does not have silly restrictions. If you live outside the US, remain calm and line up in the nearest que. LOLWhy? Because we can!
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It would be easy to find an ideal location to live in if we were only looking at issues which involved a single legal restriction on something which a person believed strongly in, like easy access to firearms or Universal access to free Medical Care or the freedom to publicly criticize the government without you and your family being arrested.
We all choose which combination of these things are the most important to us in our own lives and then ae choose where to live. At least within the US we can move around anywhere we want, within the US or to other countries, to live where we agree with the local laws.
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We all choose which combination of these things are the most important to us in our own lives and then ae choose where to live. At least within the US we can move around anywhere we want, within the US or to other countries, to live where we agree with the local laws.
JP
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I'm sending my 392pa off tomorrow to have the full steroid treatment done. Yes, I'm interested in more power, but also, since they're no longer built to the standards of the original rifles (aluminum instead of steel or even brass - stamped metal parts instead of solid or billet parts, etc). A Mac1 steriod installs proper, all brass valves, billet pump rods, et al.
Tim told me his goal is to make a 70-year rifle, that shoots strong for a LONG time. My dad's original 1955 Sheridan is 70 years old, and while the bluing has taken a beating, its functionality, power and reliability are as good as ever. THAT'S my "Why." I want the long lasting durability and functionality, and if that comes with more power, that's a welcome bonus.
Tim told me his goal is to make a 70-year rifle, that shoots strong for a LONG time. My dad's original 1955 Sheridan is 70 years old, and while the bluing has taken a beating, its functionality, power and reliability are as good as ever. THAT'S my "Why." I want the long lasting durability and functionality, and if that comes with more power, that's a welcome bonus.
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It's human nature to want more. It's in our genres. It's how we survived these millions of years. Those who didn't just didn't last and didn't breed.
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To be potentially inflammatory, isn't airgun shooting a largely impractical hobby?
I don't even try to rationally justify my hobbies, because I do them for "fun" and "enjoyment", completely subjective justification.
Objective justifications should pursuade virtually eveyone to adopt the practice, which is the last thing I want to happen.
I don't even try to rationally justify my hobbies, because I do them for "fun" and "enjoyment", completely subjective justification.
Objective justifications should pursuade virtually eveyone to adopt the practice, which is the last thing I want to happen.
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To be potentially inflammatory, isn't airgun shooting a largely impractical hobby?
I don't even try to rationally justify my hobbies, because I do them for "fun" and "enjoyment", completely subjective justification.
Objective justifications should pursuade virtually eveyone to adopt the practice, which is the last thing I want to happen.
Airguns might be more accurately termed as an unnecessary hobby in most of the Unites States.
While airguns can serve many useful functions, they usually have fewer restrictions under law than firearms do. As a result airguns are also available to a wider group of people than firearms are, to the people who are too young to own regular firearms. So those same people grow up with some sentimental attachment to airguns due to their youthful memories. Some people on the forums mentioned that they have first discovered airguns in adulthood, but more often people are reminiscing about the first BB and CO2 rifles of their misspent youth.
In countries where archery and airguns are the only legal options for pesting and hunting they are both practical and necessary.
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Actually it's not just an American thing. It's a MAN thing. We need more power! Why?? Because why not, and we can! LOL!
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