Resources Mac1 USFT shooting techniques???
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I had the same thought when I read your previous post here...so again....there's a difference between a "guru", and a creator.
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Yes, LD still is innovating and improving the USFT he designed... and so is Tim in some different ways. Tim is more into the regulated guns now and LD still believes more in the "Simple Simon" tube design that he hand built the first 7 of, and then got them in the hands of some of the top shooters to prove that Americans could build a great/winning Field Target air rifle... and a good number of championships were won with those first 7 air rifles before Tim mortgaged his house and had some parts made to start his USFT business.
I've been competing in AAFTA Field Target since 2008 and over the years, I've seen so many regulator failures during matches that I'm in LD's camp for non regulated tube USFTs.
A well tuned tube USFT can give you just as tight of FPS spread over 40-50 shots as a regulated rig. I've got a few of them I compete with.
That said, LD did use small Ninja regulated bottles when he designed and built 3 AAFTA qualifying pistols for me after a few years of begging. That bottle regulator is set a 850psi to make 12fpe and is also very dependable and has won many matches for me... including a few National Championships.
I think that regulators that have to regulate down from 3,000 or even 4,500 PSI to the desired PSI have a greater chance to fail. I only fill my pistol bottle to 1,800 - 2,000 PSI and still get 60 plus shots from a fill.
Really the key to either design is a well tuned air gun that shoots well at lower pressure around... 900 - 1300 PSI. It's really simple, the air pressure in the tank changes less shot to shot, as the pressure goes down.. So, if it's a regulated gun, there is less stress on regulator, and if it's a tube gun you can have a much bigger sweet spot in the shot curve, if the tune is using lower pressure.
I've been competing in AAFTA Field Target since 2008 and over the years, I've seen so many regulator failures during matches that I'm in LD's camp for non regulated tube USFTs.
A well tuned tube USFT can give you just as tight of FPS spread over 40-50 shots as a regulated rig. I've got a few of them I compete with.
That said, LD did use small Ninja regulated bottles when he designed and built 3 AAFTA qualifying pistols for me after a few years of begging. That bottle regulator is set a 850psi to make 12fpe and is also very dependable and has won many matches for me... including a few National Championships.
I think that regulators that have to regulate down from 3,000 or even 4,500 PSI to the desired PSI have a greater chance to fail. I only fill my pistol bottle to 1,800 - 2,000 PSI and still get 60 plus shots from a fill.
Really the key to either design is a well tuned air gun that shoots well at lower pressure around... 900 - 1300 PSI. It's really simple, the air pressure in the tank changes less shot to shot, as the pressure goes down.. So, if it's a regulated gun, there is less stress on regulator, and if it's a tube gun you can have a much bigger sweet spot in the shot curve, if the tune is using lower pressure.
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I've experienced both, and I like what Tim has done with the platform. I know the history of the USFT well, played with them, torn them apart, for me and for others, spent lots of time figuring it out. I did okay with mine, and have moved it on for someone else to enjoy... I know your not just a huge fan of the gun Wayne but a die hard one. We all have different perspectives.
Good guns in the hands of good shooters do good. Good guns in the hands of great shooters do great... I've also seen lots of shooters look at a gun up and down after a shot, scratch their heads, and wonder why.. For those looking to learn it, I'd say shoot it like a springer..
Good guns in the hands of good shooters do good. Good guns in the hands of great shooters do great... I've also seen lots of shooters look at a gun up and down after a shot, scratch their heads, and wonder why.. For those looking to learn it, I'd say shoot it like a springer..
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Non-regulated for me as well. I feel that the low pressure, tubed versions are the essence of what I've been told LD was going for: simple and reliable.
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Well, Franklink you have spoken so you must be right... let's leave it at that for the fear of having another 20+ page thread. Seems you to take issue with divergent opinions. I'd like to see your USFT and the scores you shoot with it! People speak about their EXPERIENCES and you seem to want to dismiss them with for your convictions...
Reliability is relative; all guns have issues and we all have the right to discuss them for what they are. I draw the line at becoming a fan boy, once a product is outhere and people are paying top dollar for it, they have the right to form their own opinions about that product. If "creators" don't want their product criticized, they shouldn't have put them out there.
Here is the picture of mine, and in the configuration it was shot at the World's. Yes, I ran my dog bone almost horizontal, and I'm sure I had already discussed the Issue about the shoulder and the shooters eye not being in the same plain, almost verbatim, as you described above... not only here but with Larry, and a bunch of other club members. My Score at the Worlds is under my name J. Carrera, but it shows I shot HW97K instead of this gun. I also passed the gun along not long after that for a song, to a shooter we all know is way more talented and who I believe can shoot the best score with it. Hopefully I'll get to see that one day.
Reliability is relative; all guns have issues and we all have the right to discuss them for what they are. I draw the line at becoming a fan boy, once a product is outhere and people are paying top dollar for it, they have the right to form their own opinions about that product. If "creators" don't want their product criticized, they shouldn't have put them out there.
Here is the picture of mine, and in the configuration it was shot at the World's. Yes, I ran my dog bone almost horizontal, and I'm sure I had already discussed the Issue about the shoulder and the shooters eye not being in the same plain, almost verbatim, as you described above... not only here but with Larry, and a bunch of other club members. My Score at the Worlds is under my name J. Carrera, but it shows I shot HW97K instead of this gun. I also passed the gun along not long after that for a song, to a shooter we all know is way more talented and who I believe can shoot the best score with it. Hopefully I'll get to see that one day.
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MAC1 USFT Analysis/Overview
There have been a handful of recent posts that got me thinking I need to finally get around to the review of the USFT that I've been wanting to do for a while now. Questions like "regulated or unregulated" from just a few minutes ago, or the guy a few weeks ago looking for hand-made/high...
www.airgunnation.com Last couple pages has my most recent adventures with it. Although I need to update it with the results from this past weekend....shot a 45/48 for second place (and second overall highest score of the match, all classes), bested only by an absolutely phenomenal perfect score of 48/48 by my buddy Kent, in one of the windiest matches I've ever shot in.
So my most recent three matches with my USFT were:
Overall match high (51/52)
Overall match high (39/48)
Second highest score of the match. (45/48)
When I was running it in Open class from about 2018-2022 it was responsible for a handful of clean scores.
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Yup nothing mind blowing and in line with what most are getting. Now, others achieve those and better score with other guns. Guns they feel suit them better, and that are also infinitely easier to shoot, easier to work on, and do not come with the caveat that one must never question them or its "Creator"
The OP said he found his hard to get used to, others chimmed in echoing that same experience and what it took for them to make it work for them. I shared what worked for me and what it took to get it to my "liking". I played with mine where I think it matters most, WFTF... WFTF or die Mufakas anything else is masturbation, LOL!!!!!
The OP said he found his hard to get used to, others chimmed in echoing that same experience and what it took for them to make it work for them. I shared what worked for me and what it took to get it to my "liking". I played with mine where I think it matters most, WFTF... WFTF or die Mufakas anything else is masturbation, LOL!!!!!
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I'm not sure what's going on here....yay for you?
We all had various suggestions on our personal experiences with shooting USFTs.
Hope your day gets better.
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Just pointing out that once somebody post and offers their opinion, you seem to go on and on questioning and quoting what they say in order to keep pushing your opinion forth, almost as if to discount their knowledge and experience... My opinion, I applaud Tim for staking his life in making the USFT better. I like it when people have the balls to quit gushing over a rudimentary implement and iterate to make it better.
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