30-Yard Challenge
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Hi Guys,
Shot a couple cards yesterday afternoon because the wind dropped to almost nothing - a rare occurrence this close to the ocean. Still working on the DRS and shot *** For the Leaderboard ***
30 Yd Challenge - 195-15X
Yep, 1 point better than before, but 3 more X's. Still got 1 eight and 1 bad flyer (see 3B - a 5!!!). That was five X's in a row, then the flyer, then another X. Strange! I think a couple of the 9's were me with my trigger work as there was very little wind and there were either high or low.
Because there was no wind I decided to use my GM Crown on a 40 yd Challenge. Not my best, but it is interesting that there was also one bad flyer on this card (5B). Of course the breeze picked up a bit when I shot this one, but I will take any 40yd card in .177 that is 190+ and be happy with it. Not a Leaderboard card, but not bad.
Cheers,
Greg
Shot a couple cards yesterday afternoon because the wind dropped to almost nothing - a rare occurrence this close to the ocean. Still working on the DRS and shot *** For the Leaderboard ***
30 Yd Challenge - 195-15X
Yep, 1 point better than before, but 3 more X's. Still got 1 eight and 1 bad flyer (see 3B - a 5!!!). That was five X's in a row, then the flyer, then another X. Strange! I think a couple of the 9's were me with my trigger work as there was very little wind and there were either high or low.
Because there was no wind I decided to use my GM Crown on a 40 yd Challenge. Not my best, but it is interesting that there was also one bad flyer on this card (5B). Of course the breeze picked up a bit when I shot this one, but I will take any 40yd card in .177 that is 190+ and be happy with it. Not a Leaderboard card, but not bad.
Cheers,
Greg
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FX Crown Mk2 .177 (380mm barrel from NAProf) - Huma Mod 30 (.25cal)
Too windy to shoot challenge cards today, so I thought I'd shoot some groups after taking the Crown apart yesterday and massively retuning it. Definitely wanted to do this for Greg (NAProf) - as he's our Challenge Engineer - and he loves data.
Why did I retune a rifle shooting 195+ 30-Masters cards? My Crown was tuned to shoot .25 caliber (it was shooting well). Since Greg sent me the 380mm .177 barrel, I didn't want to retune, so I kept reg pressure at 138bar and just lowered hammer spring preload till I got to 900fps.
I have never changed reg pressure since acquiring the rifle used (about a year old I was told) from AGN Classifieds. As Greg's barrel is now shooting so well, I thought I'd actually tune for .177 (lower reg pressure). I tried to adjust reg pressure and the gauge did not move. Turns out the gauge was stuck, I had to degass the rifle, remove the gauge (finally dropped to zero) then reinstall. I had lowered the reg pressure to about 70 bar and brought it up to 120 (on the highly accurate FX gauge, lol) and figured that was a reasonable reg pressure for .177. I also took apart the hammer and lowered the hammer spring preload internally.
These are the 4 10-shot groups I just shot. Two with 10.3g and two with 13.4g - at velocities that we know are good for those two pellets. Wind is forecast at 11mph with gusts to 18mph. Wind varied across the groups - with Group 3 being the least windy and Group 4 being the most windy. All shot with Sightron SII 36X target scope. Velocities measure with FX Chrono.
This rifle as .177 shoots sub 1/4" ctc 5-shot groups at 30 yards - all the time - edge to edge is about .32-.33". So I'd say that Greg has a good FX liner.
Even with the wind, the 10-shot groups were under 1/2" edge to edge. I shot 40 shots - with just one or two dry fires between each group (blowing the previous pellet lead out of the barrel, lol). Nothing "cherry picked" here. You guys know that I don't give a rats a_s about brands (I own em all) - and I don't like FX's trigger. There is always forum noise that FX doesn't do .177 well - but my experience is that FX .177 liners are very accurate at our 30 and 40 yard distances.
Looking at these 30-yard groups, I'd say that Greg's barrel seems to prefer the 10.3g (most all of the Challenge Cards with the barrel to date were 10.3g - with one 192 8X 40-Masters with the 13.4g). The thing I've noticed about the 13.4s is that its "flyers" are drops - shots that land low. The 10.3s seem to give a more consistent vertical. The one "flyer" with the 10.3s in Group1 went high - and it was the highest velocity - so perhaps a non-spec pellet.
Nothing scientific here, lol. You see my shooting setup, crooked rickity chair and flexible table on uneven ground. Even so, this Crown & barrel setup has delivered outstanding 30 and 40 yard Challenge results with little .177 pellets and my average trigger pulling.
Too windy to shoot challenge cards today, so I thought I'd shoot some groups after taking the Crown apart yesterday and massively retuning it. Definitely wanted to do this for Greg (NAProf) - as he's our Challenge Engineer - and he loves data.
Why did I retune a rifle shooting 195+ 30-Masters cards? My Crown was tuned to shoot .25 caliber (it was shooting well). Since Greg sent me the 380mm .177 barrel, I didn't want to retune, so I kept reg pressure at 138bar and just lowered hammer spring preload till I got to 900fps.
I have never changed reg pressure since acquiring the rifle used (about a year old I was told) from AGN Classifieds. As Greg's barrel is now shooting so well, I thought I'd actually tune for .177 (lower reg pressure). I tried to adjust reg pressure and the gauge did not move. Turns out the gauge was stuck, I had to degass the rifle, remove the gauge (finally dropped to zero) then reinstall. I had lowered the reg pressure to about 70 bar and brought it up to 120 (on the highly accurate FX gauge, lol) and figured that was a reasonable reg pressure for .177. I also took apart the hammer and lowered the hammer spring preload internally.
These are the 4 10-shot groups I just shot. Two with 10.3g and two with 13.4g - at velocities that we know are good for those two pellets. Wind is forecast at 11mph with gusts to 18mph. Wind varied across the groups - with Group 3 being the least windy and Group 4 being the most windy. All shot with Sightron SII 36X target scope. Velocities measure with FX Chrono.
This rifle as .177 shoots sub 1/4" ctc 5-shot groups at 30 yards - all the time - edge to edge is about .32-.33". So I'd say that Greg has a good FX liner.
Even with the wind, the 10-shot groups were under 1/2" edge to edge. I shot 40 shots - with just one or two dry fires between each group (blowing the previous pellet lead out of the barrel, lol). Nothing "cherry picked" here. You guys know that I don't give a rats a_s about brands (I own em all) - and I don't like FX's trigger. There is always forum noise that FX doesn't do .177 well - but my experience is that FX .177 liners are very accurate at our 30 and 40 yard distances.
Looking at these 30-yard groups, I'd say that Greg's barrel seems to prefer the 10.3g (most all of the Challenge Cards with the barrel to date were 10.3g - with one 192 8X 40-Masters with the 13.4g). The thing I've noticed about the 13.4s is that its "flyers" are drops - shots that land low. The 10.3s seem to give a more consistent vertical. The one "flyer" with the 10.3s in Group1 went high - and it was the highest velocity - so perhaps a non-spec pellet.
Nothing scientific here, lol. You see my shooting setup, crooked rickity chair and flexible table on uneven ground. Even so, this Crown & barrel setup has delivered outstanding 30 and 40 yard Challenge results with little .177 pellets and my average trigger pulling.
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Pellet Snob?!
Just shot this card with .22 FX Dreamline PowerPup using JTS 22.07g pellets.
I shot a 5-shot group at 40 yards after adjusting hammer spring - it measured .463” edge to edge (.242 ctc). I said to myself dang that’s tight, lets try a card.
I put up a 40-Masters, took 2 sighters to zero and shot this 195 12X - ties my 40-Masters high with the PowerPup.
I was telling TommyB that I found myself sabotaging the last row, and definitely the last two shots - where I took holds that made no sense and didn’t wait for the wind flags…
… it seems I’m a pellet snob - because the JTS load much stiffer than the JSB/FX soft lead pellets, I didn’t want them to do as well. I literally sacrificed a 197 type 40 Masters, lol.
The JSB soft lead load so smooth - I like every thing working smoothly when I shoot. However, I have to say that these JTS pellets are dang accurate.
-Ed
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Well, I better knock off my pellet snobbery, these 22.07g JTS shoot fantastic at about 900fps out of this FX 600mm superlight barrel !
It was great wind conditions this morning (rain coming), so I jumped out early to see if yesterday's first card with JTS in the PP was a fluke...
... insane results! Look at the 3 sighters (then dropped 2 clicks on scope and started shooting card) and then these 20 shots - freaking amazing.
Leaderboard Submission:
Target: 40-Masters 199 12X [edit 198 12X]
Rifle: .22 FX PowerPup with 600mm superlight barrel
Pellet: JTS 22.07g at 900fps (888-914)
Scope: Sightron SII 36x fixed power target scope
I don't know why the extreme spread is not tighter, perhaps because I have the FX Chrono balanced on the pellet tins and it moves a bit when the rifle fires?
In any case, the 195 yesterday and 199 this morning are the best two first cards at 40-Masters that I ever had with a pellet. I gotta bring this PowerPup to my brother's house and see how these JTS 22.07s do at 75 yards.
I just checked before posting this - this 199 12X is the best 40-Masters card that I ever shot - beating a 199 11X in 2024 with the .22 Crown and a 198 15X in 2024 with the PowerPup.
You can see from the picture that the wind "flags" were just hanging for most of the card. The rifle is incredibly quiet at this power level. If I weighed these JTS, I could actually see a 200 40-Masters as possible.... but I ain't weighing - not that important to me. I have a stupid deer that I have to keep chasing away from my wind flags - it likes to play with them and knocks them over!
[Edit: guess I was too excited scoring - double checked 6a - it’s a 9. Submitting as 198 12X]
Dang!
It was great wind conditions this morning (rain coming), so I jumped out early to see if yesterday's first card with JTS in the PP was a fluke...
... insane results! Look at the 3 sighters (then dropped 2 clicks on scope and started shooting card) and then these 20 shots - freaking amazing.
Leaderboard Submission:
Target: 40-Masters 199 12X [edit 198 12X]
Rifle: .22 FX PowerPup with 600mm superlight barrel
Pellet: JTS 22.07g at 900fps (888-914)
Scope: Sightron SII 36x fixed power target scope
I don't know why the extreme spread is not tighter, perhaps because I have the FX Chrono balanced on the pellet tins and it moves a bit when the rifle fires?
In any case, the 195 yesterday and 199 this morning are the best two first cards at 40-Masters that I ever had with a pellet. I gotta bring this PowerPup to my brother's house and see how these JTS 22.07s do at 75 yards.
I just checked before posting this - this 199 12X is the best 40-Masters card that I ever shot - beating a 199 11X in 2024 with the .22 Crown and a 198 15X in 2024 with the PowerPup.
You can see from the picture that the wind "flags" were just hanging for most of the card. The rifle is incredibly quiet at this power level. If I weighed these JTS, I could actually see a 200 40-Masters as possible.... but I ain't weighing - not that important to me. I have a stupid deer that I have to keep chasing away from my wind flags - it likes to play with them and knocks them over!
[Edit: guess I was too excited scoring - double checked 6a - it’s a 9. Submitting as 198 12X]
Dang!
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Do you remember when? ………..
A score like this ( 198-12X) on a 30Y Challenge card was phenomenal? Think about when we first started shooting the challenge. A 190+ any was considered a good score with these tiny 10 rings.
Fast forward to last year and this year: Amazingly high scores for 40 yards are now a frequent or nearly weekly occurrence.
Ed - I know you like the soft lead JSB pellets. I do too, but many are finding the newer .22 JTS and AEA harder alloy pellets are shooting more accurately than JSB. It does feel different ( I.e., harder to cycle) when cocking these into the chamber, but this is offset by better accuracy, at least for me.
The 22.07g and 21.9g are shooting great in my Taipan. Plus, it’s about time JSB gets some stiff pellet competition in the market.
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Warm humid morning at the range today. I thought we were going to have to build an ‘Ark’ with all the rain we got Sunday thru Wednesday. It was good to get out today.
Wind was very light for the first hour. I had the FX Royale .22 and RAW HM1000X .22 with me.
Started out with the RAW at 40Y Masters distance. The JTS 22.07g was shooting pretty hot at 995 FPS, but ES values were great!
Shot 3 cards:
193-10X
195-10X
197-13X ( wind picked up on this card but very light)
** May Leaderboard submission**
Next up, FX Royale .22 at 40Y Masters
Two 40Y Challenge cards were throw aways (not shown). Last card of the day was a 40Y Masters
190-8X ( Leaderboard for May )
The Leupold 6.5 X 20 X 40mm AO EFR is great at 30, but almost useless at 40Y. I won’t shoot any better score if I don’t mount a beast (high magnification scope ) on the Royale.
Great day.
Wind was very light for the first hour. I had the FX Royale .22 and RAW HM1000X .22 with me.
Started out with the RAW at 40Y Masters distance. The JTS 22.07g was shooting pretty hot at 995 FPS, but ES values were great!
Shot 3 cards:
193-10X
195-10X
197-13X ( wind picked up on this card but very light)
** May Leaderboard submission**
Next up, FX Royale .22 at 40Y Masters
Two 40Y Challenge cards were throw aways (not shown). Last card of the day was a 40Y Masters
190-8X ( Leaderboard for May )
The Leupold 6.5 X 20 X 40mm AO EFR is great at 30, but almost useless at 40Y. I won’t shoot any better score if I don’t mount a beast (high magnification scope ) on the Royale.
Great day.
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That Power pup likes the 22.07g pellets! Super high score Ed, sweet! You’re on fire at 40y. Keep it going!
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Just wanted to update this thread.
I did get my Great White 9L CF tank recertification. Good for 5 years and it was rigorously tested and inspected. $54.
Additionally I purchased a new 6L CF Tuxxing tank from Ali Express with a 3-year CE certification. No Department of Transportation ( DOT ) on this tank. However my Dive Shop will fill to 4500 psi because the Tuxxing tanks have a good rep.
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Congrats on the 197 40-Masters Tommy, fantastic card!
Interesting that the JTS 22.07 maintain excellent accuracy (remain stable) at almost 1,000fps.
When I got into PCPs a few years back, the consensus was that diabolo shaped pellets lose stability and start to spiral as you approach the “trans sonic” velocity region of 950+ fps. The thought back then was 850-880fps was the best velocity region for max speed with stability.
As PCPs have evolved, it seems barrel technology keeps improving - with slower twist rates and “smoother“ polygonal type rifling now allowing much higher velocities with pellets.
How loud is that RAW when shooting 22.07s at 990fps? Probably not “backyard friendly“, but definitely laser accurate.
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Challenge Shooters, I will get a leaderboard update posted in the next few days.
In the meantime, keep getting that lead downrange!!
I’m gonna shoot some 100 yards today.
-Ed
In the meantime, keep getting that lead downrange!!
I’m gonna shoot some 100 yards today.
-Ed
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Thanks Ed.
I was surprised also. I was ready to turn down the HS but didn’t have to touch it. This is the same tune that I use for the 25.39g MRDs at 930-940 FPS range. Martin set it up for the MRD at this velocity.
I think the competition BR shooters found that 970 FPS was the sweet spot for the .22 HP Redwolf as an example. at 100Y. I recall seeing some posts explaining that the Diablo pellets could start to tumble after 75 yards.
I think the MRD at 100 yards would really struggle at 850 fps ranges. You could experiment today.
Re. RAW loudness - Have not measured decibel levels, but it’s not backyard friendly is my guess. Certainly not as loud as my .30 Boss. But, I think several RAW owners have found OEM Moderators that are quieter than the RAW factory moderator.
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I have nothing to show for targets (shot another 193 with the 177 a few minutes ago) but relative to velocity I find it interesting that those in England have 25 yard benchrest competitions with their 12 fpe limited guns. So even with an 8 grain they are below 800 fps. Some of my guns can get to 900+ but my Prod, P35-22 and P35-25 cannot. P35-22 and 25 could with light pellets, I guess. But those are not what they like. The P35-22 is pretty accurate at a little over 800 fps.
I also enjoy seeing Tommy in particular shooting great targets at well over 900 fps.
I have tried varying velocity to make my cast pellets shoot better and been unsuccessful. But I have noted my P35-177 needs to be at about 880 fps to do it's best. 20 fps higher or lower and scores are noticably lower. P35-22 does not seem to be so sensitive.
I also enjoy seeing Tommy in particular shooting great targets at well over 900 fps.
I have tried varying velocity to make my cast pellets shoot better and been unsuccessful. But I have noted my P35-177 needs to be at about 880 fps to do it's best. 20 fps higher or lower and scores are noticably lower. P35-22 does not seem to be so sensitive.
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100 Yards in the wind with .30 FX Wildcat Mk2
I thought that my Challenge shooters would be interested in what its like to shoot at 100 yards - without a rifle range. I know that not all you guys have the opportunity to shoot at longer distances.
This .30 Wildcat shoots sub 1/2" groups at 40 yards. I've shared with Tommy. But you don't have a .30 caliber to shoot at 40 yards. Pellets do really well out to about 75-80 yards. Beyond 80 yards it gets really tough for pellets - you have to have a really good 100-yard tune on the rifle and you have to be really good at reading (guessing) the wind - as the wind direction and speed can vary a huge amount over 100 yards. This is especially true if you are shooting from an open area into a wooded area - as I am doing.
Here I do something that nobody else will do on AGN... I'm showing you EVERY SHOT I took at 100 yards on Friday !!
I believe that I can get this Wildcat shooting great at 100 yards. I'm still getting used to it - the trigger is actually breaking pretty nicely for an FX. All shots are via the 7-shot magazines - which is unusual for me as I always single shot load - but the MK2 Wildcat does not lend itself to single shot loading.
I got to my brother's too late in the morning - about 10:40. Wind conditions were pretty good for the 1st targets (black 3" splatters) and gradually picked up. The 2nd set of targets were the rotating 4 white dots. My intent was to shoot them one shot per target (like in competition) and adjust hold to try to hit the white dots. Unfortunately, I had to hold on the white dots for all 20 shots - because I could not see my holes in the cardboard well enough. This was with an awesome Sightron 45X scope - but the woods were keeping the target cardboard too dark to see well. I tried setting up a flashlight on the target and it helped a bit.
After the rotating targets, I shot the Paper Plate #1. I took 2 sighters and then went for the 2" blue splatter target - hit it 9 out of 10 times - I was happy with that!
In the time it took to walk out the 100 yards to change to Paper Plate #2, the wind got ugly - gusting to I guess 20mph. You can see I set up a little sighter dot down low on PP #2 - my first sighter almost missed the plate! The wind was also pushing my shots down. I'm proud of the results on PP #2 - the wind was significantly tougher than any I've seen at the 100 yard competitions that I've shot in.
Finally - for you guys to really see what you are dealing with when you shoot pellets long distances - I pulled out the .22 FX PowerPup shooting JTS 22.07g at 910fps. You have seen that this rifle/pellet combo has been shooting 195+ 40-Masters cards lately. It shoots 1/4" groups at 40 yards. I left the scope adjusted for 40 and shot 5-shot groups at 50, 60 and 75 yards. This was ugly wind. I tried to wait out for lulls, but I was painstaking - the 5 shots at 75 took 12-15 minutes. At that point I was toast and packed up.
Take a look at the 50, 60 and 75 yard groups - they show the drop that a 910-914fps pellet experiences over those distance changes. You can imagine at 100 yards. Basically, I think of 100 yard pellet shooting as similar to launching mini-mortars at your target - the pellets are traveling quite an arc. I'll try the PowerPup at 100 with the .22 JTS 22.07g soon - 75 looks good in the wind, but its past 80 yards that things fall apart for smaller pellets - heck, even for .30 caliber.
If anyone has questions on shooting at 100, just shoot me a PM.
-Ed
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Ed
Might try a can of white spray paint for the brown cardboard. You should be able to clearly see pellet holes with all white background. Good for groups without white plastic plates.
Also, the 50.1g has a better BC and is considerably heavier. Not sure if you want to mess with the tune. With that dark woods background at 100Y, this should work.
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Hi gang
Had the RAW TM1000X .177 and the Weihrauch.22 Carbine with me today. It was breezy ( 3-5/6 mph) with a fairly consistent head wind. I am finally getting slightly better at reading wind with my my holds and learning when to wait. I hate patience!
Shot 6 30Y Masters cards in total:
RAW TM1000X .177:
194-9X ( DQ’d because I seated a pellet incorrectly)
195-14X
195-14X
196-14X
199-16X ( Leaderboard for May ) ** This card had one more X than my 199-15X in March).
HW 100 .22 cal: ( 30Y Masters card )
190-7X ( Leaderboard for May ) This was my last card of the day and it’s shooting FX 15.89 Atomic pellets at 835 FPS. I had to crank up the HS during colder months and I got her down to 810 FPS range now.
I think I can get to 195, possibly better but have not done that yet.
Had the RAW TM1000X .177 and the Weihrauch.22 Carbine with me today. It was breezy ( 3-5/6 mph) with a fairly consistent head wind. I am finally getting slightly better at reading wind with my my holds and learning when to wait. I hate patience!
Shot 6 30Y Masters cards in total:
RAW TM1000X .177:
194-9X ( DQ’d because I seated a pellet incorrectly)
195-14X
195-14X
196-14X
199-16X ( Leaderboard for May ) ** This card had one more X than my 199-15X in March).
HW 100 .22 cal: ( 30Y Masters card )
190-7X ( Leaderboard for May ) This was my last card of the day and it’s shooting FX 15.89 Atomic pellets at 835 FPS. I had to crank up the HS during colder months and I got her down to 810 FPS range now.
I think I can get to 195, possibly better but have not done that yet.
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Today…shot 5 30Y Masters cards.
Taipan Vet 2 700mm Long
30Y Masters
Ammo: JTS 22.07g and AEA 21.9g
DNT 7 X 35 X 56mm FFP
Nothing for Leaderboard. Came close, but no cigar
194-10X
195-12X
196-12X
196-15X
Today was supposed to be light and variable winds. 4-6 mph, switching so I wasn’t going to try 40Y.
My previous best was 197-14X on 4/14, but I just needed one more point
At the end of session I shot (3) 5-shot groups with the different ammo. All good at 30Y. I need to do some group testing at 50Y or shoot some N50 targets again at some point.
That’s it for this week.
Taipan Vet 2 700mm Long
30Y Masters
Ammo: JTS 22.07g and AEA 21.9g
DNT 7 X 35 X 56mm FFP
Nothing for Leaderboard. Came close, but no cigar
194-10X
195-12X
196-12X
196-15X
Today was supposed to be light and variable winds. 4-6 mph, switching so I wasn’t going to try 40Y.
My previous best was 197-14X on 4/14, but I just needed one more point
At the end of session I shot (3) 5-shot groups with the different ammo. All good at 30Y. I need to do some group testing at 50Y or shoot some N50 targets again at some point.
That’s it for this week.
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I posted pictures in the "Projectiles Area" so if there is a way to link them I would be all for it, I just don't know how. I'm on my laptop at the moment and don't have the pictures on it. The point I find interesting in these targets is they are with H&N Baracuda 21.4 grain pellets, not the "Match" variety I normally use. I messed up on an order to Utah Air the day they had free shipping and decided to just shoot some. The 198 13X this morning ties the best I've shot this year and the 197 14X this evening is also pretty nice for me with this gun - shooting 4 cent pellets. These two targets and a 191 with the P35-177 are all I shot today. I'm concentrating on the early and late time periods of low wind. Occasionally I shoot in higher wind, however. I need to learn to read it better but I shoot my best in low wind.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised the Baracudas shoot pretty well. My Caiman X's favorite is the 18 grain Baracudas and I shot a 200 with it last year with them. H&N does not offer a Match variety of the 18s.
I've shot my Avenger and my P35-22 at 100 yards a few times. A little over 2 inches was the best 5 shot group I shot with either. There is a public range about an hour from me where I can shoot up to 100 yards. Sometimes there are PBs there so I need to bring hearing protection. There is also a "fun shoot" about once a quarter further away at another airgun guys house. I think I shot 100 there at least once. I agree it's hard to see bullet holes at that distance. Ed's experience probably tells me what to expect with my new Athlon 10-40X. Nothing I had when I did it came close to showing 22 or 25 caliber holes in white targets. I still would try it but not be surprised if they still don't show up at 40X - but that's why splatter targets can be helpful, I guess.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised the Baracudas shoot pretty well. My Caiman X's favorite is the 18 grain Baracudas and I shot a 200 with it last year with them. H&N does not offer a Match variety of the 18s.
I've shot my Avenger and my P35-22 at 100 yards a few times. A little over 2 inches was the best 5 shot group I shot with either. There is a public range about an hour from me where I can shoot up to 100 yards. Sometimes there are PBs there so I need to bring hearing protection. There is also a "fun shoot" about once a quarter further away at another airgun guys house. I think I shot 100 there at least once. I agree it's hard to see bullet holes at that distance. Ed's experience probably tells me what to expect with my new Athlon 10-40X. Nothing I had when I did it came close to showing 22 or 25 caliber holes in white targets. I still would try it but not be surprised if they still don't show up at 40X - but that's why splatter targets can be helpful, I guess.
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Yeah…as I thought about Ed’s 100 yard shooting and seeing pellet holes on brown cardboard…..
Spray painting the target backing white, on a “bright sunlit area” may not be the best without using the splatter burst targets.
But, he is shooting into a dark woods and the white backing should be visible to display pellet holes at 30-40X magnification.
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