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EPG said:
100 Yards - in strong wind - with pellets​

I'm documenting this for my reference - I thought I'd share this with you guys - in case you are interested...

I was shooting at 100 yards on Friday at my brother's house. He lives in the middle of the woods and is an avid hunter/fisherman. We mapped out a 100 yard range outside his back door - named it the "Pete Gillis Memorial Range" - in honor of our Dad, an avid outdoorsman.

I was supposed to get to my brother's at 8:30am, knowing that the wind would get bad by noon. I overslept due to bourbon consumption and showed up at 10:30am. The wind was already kicking up. My brother informed that it was very calm at 8am - serves me right for drinking.

It was so windy (weather app reported gusts to 30mph - and that could have been understated) but I wanted to play with the new-to-me .30 Wildcat Mk 2. It has some history as a consistent 1.25" 5-shot group performer at 100 yards.

The rifle shoots insane sub-Moa (.5") 5-shot groups at 50 yards at my house. I had made some hammer spring adjustments at home and it chronoed a perfect 900fps when I got to my brother's - so at least I got that right.

The wind was switching, as all high wind does, but it was mostly L to R. I used just two wind flags at 25 and 75 yards - this was just a casual shoot to sight-in/dial-in the rifle at 100, not to shoot for score. I had to keep chasing my hat and my large cardboard targets - the wind kept blowing them away, lol.

Anyways, I thought the rifle did fantastic in the conditions. I've shot in 100-yard benchrest competitions and they never had wind this bad. Note that the vertical spreads were very reasonable (I thought) in windy conditions. A few shots jumped high or low - likely because the wind was slightly headwind or tailwind as well as L to R on those shots.

I'm showing you my two "10-shot" targets (one is 11 and one is 8 after some sight-in shots). I'm showing you the targets as I saw them and then marked up versions that give you the details of what was happening.

One interesting thing is that I fell off the reg on the paper plate target while shooting the 4 sight-in shots (walking them towards target - 3" splatter). Note the 1.5" drop of the off-reg shot of 865fps. At 30 yards, a 30fps drop in velocity might show as 1/4" at most. It was great to have an air tank with me. TommyB inspired my to get a tank - it makes filling when at the range very convenient.

Despite the bad shooting conditions, I hung in there and waited for lulls in the wind when the flags were not moving real fast - and both flags were pointing Right. Still, it was really tough to judge.

Note also on the cardboard target that I made "reference marks". I knew I'd have to hold left quite a bit and my Sightron 45X scope is just a simple thin crosshair. Without target rings to hold off on, I thought to make myself a couple marks on the target - so I don't appear to be that hung over, lol.

For you guys that shoot almost always inside 50 yards, shooting 100 yards is a different ball game and 100 yards in heavy wind is all about patience. I sometimes would have 5 minutes between shots. If you just ignore the wind, pellets - even .30 cal 44g - will just blow all over the place. The flat part of the paper plate is about 5.5" diameter. Put one out at 100 yards sometimes and note how small it looks, lol.


Anyways, I plan to do a bunch of 100 yard shoots at my brother's this year. It gives me a chance to see him as well as play with some of my bigger caliber air rifles - really stretch them out.

If any of our shooter's here have any questions about shooting at 100, feel free to reach out. I'm no expert, but I can offer what I've experienced to date. Most accurate PCPs shooting 25+ grain pellets can do well out to 75 yards in decent wind conditions. Beyond 75-80 yards things get a lot different.

-Ed
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Good summary Ed.

Shooting pellets at 100Y outside with significant wind will test everyone. I looked at your groups and the vertical is really good.

It will be interesting to try this again in a light wind day.
 
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Shot a few 30Y Masters and 40Y Challenge cards with the RAW HM1000x .22 HP this morning.

Wind was 3-6 mph, and mostly a tail wind with some R-L at times from 2 o’clock.

Have one leaderboard entry:

40 Y Challenge
196-11X
JTS 22.07 at 885 fps
Athlon Heras 15X60x 56mm
35x magnification

Note: I did not realize that there was a hole in bull #1, when I started the leaderboard card. I shoot from bottom right bull when starting a card, so I didn’t see it until way too late.

It’s a shame because it really would of helped my score, but that’s on me to check the cards before I staple them.

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tommyb said:
Shot a few 30Y Masters and 40Y Challenge cards with the RAW HM1000x .22 HP this morning.

Wind was 3-6 mph, and mostly a tail wind with some R-L at times from 2 o’clock.

Have one leaderboard entry:

40 Y Challenge
196-11X
JTS 22.07 at 885 fps
Athlon Heras 15X60x 56mm
35x magnification

Note: I did not realize that there was a hole in bull #1, when I started the leaderboard card. I shoot from bottom right bull when starting a card, so I didn’t see it until way too late.

It’s a shame because it really would of helped my score, but that’s on me to check the cards before I staple them.

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Great card Tommy! That should have been a 197 12X if you had paid attention…

No mulligans granted here, lol. Although I did put Greg’s awesome “mulligan” card on the leaderboard as incentive for him to try to beat it this year.

I remember one time I jokingly asked this crowd for a mulligan on a great card I shot with my Regal. I forgot to close the bolt on one shot…. the “NO” I got from you guys was louder than the ringing in my ears from the open bolt shot, lol.
 
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EPG said:
Great card Tommy! That should have been a 197 12X if you had paid attention…

No mulligans granted here, lol. Although I did put Greg’s awesome “mulligan” card on the leaderboard as incentive for him to try to beat it this year.

I remember one time I jokingly asked this crowd for a mulligan on a great card I shot with my Regal. I forgot to close the bolt on one shot…. the “NO” I got from you guys was louder than the ringing in my ears from the open bolt shot, lol.
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Were we really that bad? Lol

I think forgetting to close the bolt should count as an honest mulligan. Shame on us.

It falls under the following two categories:

“ he/she gets a Senior pass”
“ CRS syndrome”
 
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Hi Guys,
The wind finally died down right as the sun was going down yesterday so I shot a quick 30yd Challenge card with the DRS.

For the leader board - 193-13x with the DRS 500mm .177 using FX 13.4gr pellets at about 820fps

Not a big improvement over my previous best with this rifle (1 point), but the 13 X's was a big improvement. I have polished the barrel again and went over the brass barrel inlet also. It is still a little crunchy when pushing the cocking lever home. That means some more work on the breech end of the liner.

So far this target shows the efforts are working. I did not get 1 bad flyer (5 or 6) though i had five 8's. I still think that can be helped a bit with more work on the barrel. The 13x's show that in light wind it can put rounds on target. I don't trust the scope ranging on this setup enough yet to use in an FT match, but the accuracy looks to be just about there for FT.

Cheers,
Greg

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Leaderboard Submission:
30-Masters: 198 11X
Rifle: FX Crown Mk2 .177 (380mm)
Scope: Sightron SII 36X Fixed Power
Pellet: JSB 10.3g @ 900fps

Greg (NAProf) sent me his 380mm .177 Crown barrel to do some “EPG Barrel Prep” on.

Greg had installed a Huma slug transfer port on the barrel. I was not impressed with Huma’s level of finish on the port, it was rough. So I polished up the TP, leade and even a bit on pellet probe. I pushed a couple pellets through - much smoother now, pellets looked great. Barrel has a pretty tight choke - perhaps Greg will want me to smooth choke transition a bit. I left the rest of the barrel exactly as he sent it to me - for now.

I slapped it on my .25 (Blue) Crown and immediately shot 193 and 194 30-Masters cards at 950fps with 10.3g. I tried the Low transfer port setting and it was only 626fps - although it immediately shot a 5-shot group of .30” ctc at that slow speed.

Finally, I dropped my hammer spring wheel to 1 and the velocity was 895-905fps with regulator at 138-140 bar on gauge. My internal hammer spring length is as per the picture below.

Another interesting thing on my blue Crown is that I have completely eliminated the trigger spring. It still cocks every single time - not a single issue and trigger feels lighter and more consistent without the spring.

Vertical looked great on this card, don’t you think? It was breezier than the 193 & 194 cards - so more 10s. Just 7b jumped high and that could have been me or wind.

So, I have a .177 Crown submission on the leaderboards - thanks to a joint effort with Greg, lol.

-Ed

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EPG said:
Leaderboard Submission:
30-Masters: 198 11X
Rifle: FX Crown Mk2 .177 (380mm)
Scope: Sightron SII 36X Fixed Power
Pellet: JSB 10.3g @ 900fps

Greg (NAProf) sent me his 380mm .177 Crown barrel to do some “EPG Barrel Prep” on.

Greg had installed a Huma slug transfer port on the barrel. I was not impressed with Huma’s level of finish on the port, it was rough. So I polished up the TP, leade and even a bit on pellet probe. I pushed a couple pellets through - much smoother now, pellets looked great. Barrel has a pretty tight choke - perhaps Greg will want me to smooth choke transition a bit. I left the rest of the barrel exactly as he sent it to me - for now.

I slapped it on my .25 (Blue) Crown and immediately shot 193 and 194 30-Masters cards at 950fps with 10.3g. I tried the Low transfer port setting and it was only 626fps - although it immediately shot a 5-shot group of .30” ctc at that slow speed.

Finally, I dropped my hammer spring wheel to 1 and the velocity was 895-905fps with regulator at 138-140 bar on gauge. My internal hammer spring length is as per the picture below.

Another interesting thing on my blue Crown is that I have completely eliminated the trigger spring. It still cocks every single time - not a single issue and trigger feels lighter and more consistent without the spring.

Vertical looked great on this card, don’t you think? It was breezier than the 193 & 194 cards - so more 10s. Just 7b jumped high and that could have been me or wind.

So, I have a .177 Crown submission on the leaderboards - thanks to a joint effort with Greg, lol.

-Ed

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Great collaboration!

Very nice Ed!!!
 
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Wonderful weather today, no rain showers and mild wind conditions provided an opportunity to finally get the yard mowed. By the time I finished mowing the light winds had slowed to almost non-existent. Sensing a golden opportunity, I parked the mower, put out my wind flags and proceeded to shoot two cards. The first card started well with an X which was immediately followed by an eight with the remainder of the card going clean. The second card was clean for nineteen shots and got me on the last bull. Very pleased with both scores, but very disappointed with the final shot on the 199 card.

I submit the 199- 12X for the Leaderboard.

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Shot some 30Y Masters cards with the Daystate Revere.

I wanted to try the JSB 20.83g ‘lights.’ The Chrono average for about 60-80 shots was consistent at 785 fps. It’s a heavy pellet for the Revere.

Also tried the JSB 18.1g which is runner up to the 15.89, which I forgot. Wind was light, but picked up to 3-4 mph at times.

Best I could muster was 189-10X. I wanted to grab last place on the 30Y leaderboard b4 somebody beat me to it. 😂😂

I need a better scope that won’t bury the reticle, and I will probably get the Gen2 Athlon and move another scope over to the Revere until I buy another. I can’t see my holds as good as I need too
with the thick FFP reticle.

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tommyb said:
Shot some 30Y Masters cards with the Daystate Revere.

I wanted to try the JSB 20.83g ‘lights.’ The Chrono average for about 60-80 shots was consistent at 785 fps. It’s a heavy pellet for the Revere.

Also tried the JSB 18.1g which is runner up to the 15.89, which I forgot. Wind was light, but picked up to 3-4 mph at times.

Best I could muster was 189-10X. I wanted to grab last place on the 30Y leaderboard b4 somebody beat me to it. 😂😂

I need a better scope that won’t bury the reticle, and I will probably get the Gen2 Athlon and move another scope over to the Revere until I buy another. I can’t see my holds as good as I need too
with the thick FFP reticle.

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Get a Sentinel X like mine or the Pro version and you’ll love it for benchrest shooting.

I use it for both WRABF BR25 meter and BR50 meter competitions and sometimes use it at 100 yards.

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Got out today, and the Sight-in 50 & 100Y range was crowded. All 8 benches were occupied.

Lots of ARs and other really ‘loud’ guns. The guy next to me was constantly shooting off hand and blasting away. My ear protection needs an upgrade.

Had the Taipan Vet 2 .22 caliber 700mm barrel and set up at 40y first. Wind was light, but did gust to 3-4mph at times.

I used the JTS 22.07g pellets today. FPS range was 910-915 FPS and was very consistent.

Two leaderboard submissions for May:

40y Masters: 193-10X
30Y Masters: 199-15X

I think I’m going to try the FX 25.39g and crank up the Speed Dialer to see how it shoots at 40Y.

I don’t want to change the regulator at 135 BAR currently, because I have three very solid shooting pellets ( 21.9g AEA, JSB 20.83g, JTS 22.07g) at the current tune.

I think the Vet 2 is now just as accurate as my RAW HM1000x .22 at 30, 40 and 50 yards for either group accuracy or scoring paper targets.

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Great Shooting Tommy and Joe !

I've got some Crown .177 Leaderboard Submissions:

30-Challenge: 197 15X (submitting Master's Card for Challenge Leaderboard)
Rifle: FX Crown Mk2 .177 (380mm)
Pellet: JSB 10.3g @ 900fps
Scope: Sightron SII 36X (fixed power)

40-Challenge: 194 11X
Rifle: FX Crown Mk2 .177 (380mm)
Pellet: JSB 10.3g @ 900fps
Scope: Sightron SII 36X (fixed power)

This 380mm .177 barrel of NAProf's is shooting great since I polished up the leade and port.
Perhaps my best card is the 196 12X - check out the vertical spread on that card - could have been 200 Masters if I guessed the breeze each time.

I'm submitting the 197 15X Masters card for the Challenge leaderboard - cause I'm really focused on flyers while testing this .177 barrel, so only shooting Masters cards. I did shoot one 30-Challenge card with it and it was a 195.

I was very pleased with my first 40 yard card with this .177 Crown setup - and then I saw Joe's card, lol. Well, I shot a 194 with a breeze at 40 yards with 10.3g on my 1st attempt, so I'm happy with that.

Check out the 30-Masters cards that I've shot with Greg's barrel. The 1st two cards were lower score because of high velocity - I'm using my 138bar reg pressure from the .25 caliber I was running on this Crown. I'm certainly not running optimal reg pressure for .177 - hence the Power Wheel on 1 to get the velocity down to 900fps. But it's been a laser even with this sub-optimal reg pressure for .177.

-Ed

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EPG said:
Great Shooting Tommy and Joe !

I've got some Crown .177 Leaderboard Submissions:

30-Challenge: 197 15X (submitting Master's Card for Challenge Leaderboard)
Rifle: FX Crown Mk2 .177 (380mm)
Pellet: JSB 10.3g @ 900fps
Scope: Sightron SII 36X (fixed power)

40-Challenge: 194 11X
Rifle: FX Crown Mk2 .177 (380mm)
Pellet: JSB 10.3g @ 900fps
Scope: Sightron SII 36X (fixed power)

This 380mm .177 barrel of NAProf's is shooting great since I polished up the leade and port.
Perhaps my best card is the 196 12X - check out the vertical spread on that card - could have been 200 Masters if I guessed the breeze each time.

I'm submitting the 197 15X Masters card for the Challenge leaderboard - cause I'm really focused on flyers while testing this .177 barrel, so only shooting Masters cards. I did shoot one 30-Challenge card with it and it was a 195.

I was very pleased with my first 40 yard card with this .177 Crown setup - and then I saw Joe's card, lol. Well, I shot a 194 with a breeze at 40 yards with 10.3g on my 1st attempt, so I'm happy with that.

Check out the 30-Masters cards that I've shot with Greg's barrel. The 1st two cards were lower score because of high velocity - I'm using my 138bar reg pressure from the .25 caliber I was running on this Crown. I'm certainly not running optimal reg pressure for .177 - hence the Power Wheel on 1 to get the velocity down to 900fps. But it's been a laser even with this sub-optimal reg pressure for .177.

-Ed

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You guys are killing it with the .177’s! Ed, really nice performance with Greg’s barrel.

I have yet to nail a really good 40Y card with the TM1000x .177.

Some day, I will learn the wind.😀
 
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tommyb said:
You guys are killing it with the .177’s! Ed, really nice performance with Greg’s barrel.

I have yet to nail a really good 40Y card with the TM1000x .177.

Some day, I will learn the wind.😀
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Thanks Tommy.

I’m trying some 40-Masters cards with the .177 Crown and 10.3g - that’s always an adventure.

I would try the 13.4g but I think they would shoot too fast with the reg/hammer spring. I don’t want to drip the reg. Perhaps I’ll chrono the 13.4s and see if close to 825…

-Ed
 
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EPG said:
Great Shooting Tommy and Joe !

I've got some Crown .177 Leaderboard Submissions:

30-Challenge: 197 15X (submitting Master's Card for Challenge Leaderboard)
Rifle: FX Crown Mk2 .177 (380mm)
Pellet: JSB 10.3g @ 900fps
Scope: Sightron SII 36X (fixed power)

40-Challenge: 194 11X
Rifle: FX Crown Mk2 .177 (380mm)
Pellet: JSB 10.3g @ 900fps
Scope: Sightron SII 36X (fixed power)

This 380mm .177 barrel of NAProf's is shooting great since I polished up the leade and port.
Perhaps my best card is the 196 12X - check out the vertical spread on that card - could have been 200 Masters if I guessed the breeze each time.

I'm submitting the 197 15X Masters card for the Challenge leaderboard - cause I'm really focused on flyers while testing this .177 barrel, so only shooting Masters cards. I did shoot one 30-Challenge card with it and it was a 195.

I was very pleased with my first 40 yard card with this .177 Crown setup - and then I saw Joe's card, lol. Well, I shot a 194 with a breeze at 40 yards with 10.3g on my 1st attempt, so I'm happy with that.

Check out the 30-Masters cards that I've shot with Greg's barrel. The 1st two cards were lower score because of high velocity - I'm using my 138bar reg pressure from the .25 caliber I was running on this Crown. I'm certainly not running optimal reg pressure for .177 - hence the Power Wheel on 1 to get the velocity down to 900fps. But it's been a laser even with this sub-optimal reg pressure for .177.

-Ed

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Awesome Ed! Maybe I should have you perform your magic on all of my barrels;). It is interesting that even with the large Huma TP on the barrel inlet you are still using the Medium setting on the Transfer Port Wheel. I think that must mean that with your IHS setting and Power Wheel at 1 you are hitting the valve with exactly the right force to just let a squirt of air out and then it all flows smoothly to the pellet.

Are your ES and SD on the shot stings good? As well as my GM Crown is shooting I am always in the double digits on ES and around 5 or 6 for SD. My other Crown has better numbers as does my DRS. But neither is as accurate (at 30 yds) as the GM Crown. Now I am trying to decide if it is worth playing with reg pressure etc. to try and get a more consistent velocity string.

What hammer weight are you using in your Blue Crown?

Cheers,
Greg
 
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I finally have a small improvement for the leader board. I shot a 193 12X a few minutes ago with my P35-177 with the Athlon 6-24 Talos scope it normally wears set at 24X. I was shooting H&N Baracuda Match pellets with a little silicone lube on them at about 880fps. I tried another hammer spring which didn't work well and other lubes before deciding a little (but only a little) silicone lube helps a little. Too much and it's worse than none. I also shot a 195 with my P35-22 this morning with lubed pellets. I'll try single loaders next.

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