Epic Epic Airguns Two arrived
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Okay so i shot the Two a little yesterday but only 50 M and in winds i would not ever consider shooting in, 15 MPH average winds and 30 -31 MPH gusts,,,, and lots of gusts, low pressures doing battle in this here part of the world.
Anyway all things considered, it is very easy to see what groups i just fired off as quick as i can, and what groups where i minded the wind.
And by minding the wind i mean judge by the creaks and moans the old shot shed have when it is hit by wind, i do not have a single wind flag at the range.
So it would seem i can airgun again,,,,,, my problem just is i have no idea why that is so, or what happened to make my Two a scatter gun in the previous 2 outings,,,,,, and that is annoying as hell.
My L/R of the scope was dialed for not much wind, and as it was R to L i would assume a L bias, and i also see that.
Also see a little down, and i am shooting up hill a little, so if a projectile are pushed down on windy days i would not be surprised,
So ! Back in business and now eagerly looking for a day with mode moderate winds, and the 10 MPH average i saw yesterday, well that is the gust speed on the days where i really expect something from my shooting.
5 - 15 MPH winds i can deal with, or live with CUZ TBT i dont really do much wind compensation, but i can click my scope to where it is in a " best of both worlds " setting that just let me aim directly at target.
Anyway all things considered, it is very easy to see what groups i just fired off as quick as i can, and what groups where i minded the wind.
And by minding the wind i mean judge by the creaks and moans the old shot shed have when it is hit by wind, i do not have a single wind flag at the range.
So it would seem i can airgun again,,,,,, my problem just is i have no idea why that is so, or what happened to make my Two a scatter gun in the previous 2 outings,,,,,, and that is annoying as hell.
My L/R of the scope was dialed for not much wind, and as it was R to L i would assume a L bias, and i also see that.
Also see a little down, and i am shooting up hill a little, so if a projectile are pushed down on windy days i would not be surprised,
So ! Back in business and now eagerly looking for a day with mode moderate winds, and the 10 MPH average i saw yesterday, well that is the gust speed on the days where i really expect something from my shooting.
5 - 15 MPH winds i can deal with, or live with CUZ TBT i dont really do much wind compensation, but i can click my scope to where it is in a " best of both worlds " setting that just let me aim directly at target.
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Just a FYI.
The weather for both the coming Saturday and Sunday look very promising at the moment
Hope to really get to see what a Two can do, also stretch it out to 86 M CUZ " fiddy" even if in EURO measurements is so,,,, well everyone do that.
Also need to remember to snap a pic or two of the shot shed project, with all the posts in the ground you can get a feeling where things are heading.
Also Sunday, we might have to do a run to the lumber yard to pick up some siding / roofing
Still have some issues with finding free paving stones for the floor inside the shed, the free stuff are either too few stones or way too far away even for this little country.
We might have to start out with a softer " floor "
The weather for both the coming Saturday and Sunday look very promising at the moment
Hope to really get to see what a Two can do, also stretch it out to 86 M CUZ " fiddy" even if in EURO measurements is so,,,,
well everyone do that.Also need to remember to snap a pic or two of the shot shed project, with all the posts in the ground you can get a feeling where things are heading.
Also Sunday, we might have to do a run to the lumber yard to pick up some siding / roofing
Still have some issues with finding free paving stones for the floor inside the shed, the free stuff are either too few stones or way too far away even for this little country.
We might have to start out with a softer " floor "
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Any .177 is going to have difficulty in 30MPH wind!
Hope you get it sorted out to your satisfaction.
Looking forward to seeing photos, of how your "Shot Shed" is progressing!
Hope you get it sorted out to your satisfaction.
Looking forward to seeing photos, of how your "Shot Shed" is progressing!
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O it will be fine, Epic very forthcoming and helpful, seller also but i am talking to Epic as they are the ones with most experience, though they have also admitted that the pea caliber .177 / 4.5 mm is not what have been highest on the agenda.
This is also the feeling i get with any other brand i have tried, .177 seem to be a after thought most often.
Come Sunday evening i will have things worked out, and we will figure out a path forward from there.
There have been some REG issues ASO mentioned by others, mine seem to be fine in that regard, but i will say adjusting pressure up, and especially past 100 BAR, and the regulator are damn hard to turn, so you will need leverage better than the factory ring and better than my DIY knob.
As it is now i use my little Phillips head screwdriver as it is a perfect match to the hole in the REG adjuster tool.
Yep 30 MPH wind you will see, and some of my groups on last outing also show that, but be a little mindful and wait until the wind was just half of that, and things immediately looked better.
Sat and Sunday look to be excellent weather in regard to the wind, if the Two is working i should have very little problems holding my 13 gr slugs on a 2" target at 86 Meters distance.
And if that is the case, well i will be firing 1000 - 2000 shots in the weekend.
I will also be having some stools ( bar ) for the new shot shed in my car Saturday so i will not be able to also bring my Maverick for direct comparison, but that is fine i know very well what it can do.
With the bar stools we will be able to gauge how high up our benches will be, and so can install the sturdy horizontal brace in the framework that the benches will rest on at the front, so far the plan is to have the benches removable so they can slide sideways as needed, or be completely taken down.
Epic have already offered to send new REG and Valve, but i dont think the issue is there, i can reach fairly flat shot strings with little effort, and if i reach a unfortunate setting that is not a flat shot string, i can change REG pressure and hammer and reach that speed with a flatter shot string, so the principles of the thing seem to be working alright.
They ( epic ) like me also a bit worried about the tight spot in the middle of the barrel, so that might need to be replaced.
They do test all rifles but until now on a very short range, they will soon be testing all rifles at a 60 M indoor range.
And 60 M should hint on any flakiness i would think.
This is also the feeling i get with any other brand i have tried, .177 seem to be a after thought most often.
Come Sunday evening i will have things worked out, and we will figure out a path forward from there.
There have been some REG issues ASO mentioned by others, mine seem to be fine in that regard, but i will say adjusting pressure up, and especially past 100 BAR, and the regulator are damn hard to turn, so you will need leverage better than the factory ring and better than my DIY knob.
As it is now i use my little Phillips head screwdriver as it is a perfect match to the hole in the REG adjuster tool.
Yep 30 MPH wind you will see, and some of my groups on last outing also show that, but be a little mindful and wait until the wind was just half of that, and things immediately looked better.
Sat and Sunday look to be excellent weather in regard to the wind, if the Two is working i should have very little problems holding my 13 gr slugs on a 2" target at 86 Meters distance.
And if that is the case, well i will be firing 1000 - 2000 shots in the weekend.
I will also be having some stools ( bar ) for the new shot shed in my car Saturday so i will not be able to also bring my Maverick for direct comparison, but that is fine i know very well what it can do.
With the bar stools we will be able to gauge how high up our benches will be, and so can install the sturdy horizontal brace in the framework that the benches will rest on at the front, so far the plan is to have the benches removable so they can slide sideways as needed, or be completely taken down.
Epic have already offered to send new REG and Valve, but i dont think the issue is there, i can reach fairly flat shot strings with little effort, and if i reach a unfortunate setting that is not a flat shot string, i can change REG pressure and hammer and reach that speed with a flatter shot string, so the principles of the thing seem to be working alright.
They ( epic ) like me also a bit worried about the tight spot in the middle of the barrel, so that might need to be replaced.
They do test all rifles but until now on a very short range, they will soon be testing all rifles at a 60 M indoor range.
And 60 M should hint on any flakiness i would think.
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Dunno if this is a legitimate way of documenting.
But i got a weight, and the Two barrel is 1160 grams on its own.
Noe pressing a slug down thru the barrel on the weight, i need to put additional 900 grams or so of pressure to get the slug moving, but that is in the lighter part and with 13 gr slug, in the tight spot i have to 3X the force or so that to keep the slug going, and then on the other side and the rest of the way the pressure are again moderate.
Doing the same with a 20 gr Zan slug, and in the tight spot the pressure needed is over 4 kilos ( not counting the 1.16 KG of the barrel )
Fabbed a video too for you guys to enjoy, laugh at, or what ever mood you are in.
You will have to forgive the flaky readout, with my 3 mm ram rod i am not able to hold it in the end and do a all in one feed.
But you can see that in the middle / somewhere into the barrel there is a tight spot VS start and end numbers.
But i got a weight, and the Two barrel is 1160 grams on its own.
Noe pressing a slug down thru the barrel on the weight, i need to put additional 900 grams or so of pressure to get the slug moving, but that is in the lighter part and with 13 gr slug, in the tight spot i have to 3X the force or so that to keep the slug going, and then on the other side and the rest of the way the pressure are again moderate.
Doing the same with a 20 gr Zan slug, and in the tight spot the pressure needed is over 4 kilos ( not counting the 1.16 KG of the barrel )
Fabbed a video too for you guys to enjoy, laugh at, or what ever mood you are in.
You will have to forgive the flaky readout, with my 3 mm ram rod i am not able to hold it in the end and do a all in one feed.
But you can see that in the middle / somewhere into the barrel there is a tight spot VS start and end numbers.
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Glad to hear your in contact with Epic and seems like they are willing to replace anything for you. Hopefully it doesn't come to that but with how tight that spot is in the barrel it's a definite possibility. Hope it's good though
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Yesterday I finally received the new updated Reg and valve, thinking the Reg was the Culprit because the Reg pressure was matching the bottle pressure. installed both of them but the problem was still there and to be honest I felt a bit frustrated.
This afternoon I received also a tutorial were Epic was showing how the Reg was installed ... and everything was fine until I showed to them how was the set up and finally the solution came out: the piece in between the tube and the plenum which I call the Reg holder, was installed upside down ( the hole you see in the pic must be positioned to your right side for obvious reason but I never noticed something was wrong)
Until now I got unmatched customer service from Epic and David Hanusek.I'm very pleased,
Tomorrow I still have to fix the problem I had with the barrel too close to the tube but tomorrow is another day
This afternoon I received also a tutorial were Epic was showing how the Reg was installed ... and everything was fine until I showed to them how was the set up and finally the solution came out: the piece in between the tube and the plenum which I call the Reg holder, was installed upside down
( the hole you see in the pic must be positioned to your right side for obvious reason but I never noticed something was wrong)Until now I got unmatched customer service from Epic and David Hanusek.I'm very pleased,
Tomorrow I still have to fix the problem I had with the barrel too close to the tube but tomorrow is another day
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There should be a laser engraving behind the sealing O-ring that said " this side forward " or something like that.
Or as i have suggested the fill port should also be in this piece instead of all the way out front.
My regulator seem to be doing what it is supposed to do, but epic have suggested sending one, and valve housing too, but to me at least and so far these parts seem to be working as they should.
Or as i have suggested the fill port should also be in this piece instead of all the way out front.
My regulator seem to be doing what it is supposed to do, but epic have suggested sending one, and valve housing too, but to me at least and so far these parts seem to be working as they should.
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I will have to correct myself once again.
So my regulator is not doing what it is supposed to do, CUZ below 100 BAR it is next to impossible to get a flat shot string, but go to 110 or more and BAM and you have a shot string that is literally flatline.
So <100 BAR and you might get 3-4 shots at the same speed but then ´the speed would fluctuate, hell i even saw one time where the speed just climbed 30 - 35 FPS over 3 shots only to drop way down to where it was.
But the norm trying to shoot modest pressures of 90 - 100 BAR was just a irregular shot string that might be 10 - 15 FPS between fastest and slowest shot, and on the Two as it is now that seem enough to make POI change where as my Maverick feel a bit more forgiving to shot speeds that fluctuate a little
Of course when you have only brought 13 and 12.5gr slugs for your outing, this mean things will fly really fast, and while you can dampen things a bit with less hammer, then you dont get far before the more relaxed hammer make the shot string not flat.
Funny thing though, the Two seem very speed sensitive, so with a not super flat shot string, i would shoot 2 hole groups - 3 if it was a bad one, but at one speed the slugs would land at "A" and then a slightly slower shot would land at "B" so when my chronograph was reading out speeds i was way ahead of it just calling it by where the shots landed.
Another funny thing the 12.5gr NSA slugs did alright at 1081 FPS, though there was some POI chasing CUZ it is for sure not the ideal speed for those, but i did manage to put more holes in 2" targets at 80 M distance VS last time.
Sub 100 BAR shot string standard. ( 90 BAR ) Hard to get just a little more flat than this.
+ 100 BAR shot string standard. ( 120 - 130 BAR )
And this is including the first "hot " shot right after REG pressure change, NIX the 1088 FPS and it would have been a really nice string.
So my regulator is not doing what it is supposed to do, CUZ below 100 BAR it is next to impossible to get a flat shot string, but go to 110 or more and BAM and you have a shot string that is literally flatline.
So <100 BAR and you might get 3-4 shots at the same speed but then ´the speed would fluctuate, hell i even saw one time where the speed just climbed 30 - 35 FPS over 3 shots only to drop way down to where it was.
But the norm trying to shoot modest pressures of 90 - 100 BAR was just a irregular shot string that might be 10 - 15 FPS between fastest and slowest shot, and on the Two as it is now that seem enough to make POI change where as my Maverick feel a bit more forgiving to shot speeds that fluctuate a little
Of course when you have only brought 13 and 12.5gr slugs for your outing, this mean things will fly really fast, and while you can dampen things a bit with less hammer, then you dont get far before the more relaxed hammer make the shot string not flat.
Funny thing though, the Two seem very speed sensitive, so with a not super flat shot string, i would shoot 2 hole groups - 3 if it was a bad one, but at one speed the slugs would land at "A" and then a slightly slower shot would land at "B" so when my chronograph was reading out speeds i was way ahead of it just calling it by where the shots landed.
Another funny thing the 12.5gr NSA slugs did alright at 1081 FPS, though there was some POI chasing CUZ it is for sure not the ideal speed for those, but i did manage to put more holes in 2" targets at 80 M distance VS last time.
Sub 100 BAR shot string standard. ( 90 BAR ) Hard to get just a little more flat than this.
+ 100 BAR shot string standard. ( 120 - 130 BAR )
And this is including the first "hot " shot right after REG pressure change, NIX the 1088 FPS and it would have been a really nice string.
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The factory one, no idea what size it is.
I am just shooting .177 / 4.5 mm
I have given the valve close adjuster 1/2 turn in so it should close faster, though i am not sure it is needed as i also have a 700 mm barrel.
I am just shooting .177 / 4.5 mm
I have given the valve close adjuster 1/2 turn in so it should close faster, though i am not sure it is needed as i also have a 700 mm barrel.
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The new rifle case is from the Danish airsoft brand ASG
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ASG plastic gun case, 100x35x14 cm - black
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The new 0,6 hole valve it’s made for pushing heavy slugs at very low Reg setting but makes the gun extremely loud and air thirsty
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It can be loud and thirsty because the valve is still open when the projectile has leaved the barrel. Its basically wasting air and the excessive air behind the projectile is not helping the accuracy to. But yes, you can achieve high power and low reg pressure with that amount of air. But i don't see the point.
For me this would be a good reason to go with a bigger jet and a higher reg pressure. Maybe get a better system harmonic too. Just my thought's..
Some electronic pressure gauges can give you information on Liters of air per shot, if im not mistaken.
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Well its not whispering at 1081 FPS, and when my FX chrono give up due to excessive speed, i might as well shoot a rimfire in the field.
I hope that is CC of air per shot, i dont even thing the big AEA cannons use liters of air in a single shot.
At least regulated rifles your shot cant be more than in your plenum, at least not without a insanely wrong setting.
PS: More shed work today, it now have a functional roof, that we will get waterproofed in the days to come.
Tomorrow however i have to go to my little sister and do the good big brother thing, CUZ you know,,,, family first.
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its liters. a good tuned Impact use around 0.9 liters per shot with 44gr 880fps. The air in the 580cc bottle is compressed as u know.
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