Chronograph recommendations? Old Labradar?

Which one did not work out indoors? I am looking for one to use at an indoor range
Thanks
Mike
Mike,

It's not the unit, it's the physics that is the issue.

All of the doppler Radar units are sensitive to back-scatter (reflections/echos). The more powerful the unit, the greater the problem - especially indoors where there's lots of surfaces send false signals back to the unit.

Think of it like trying to carry on a conversation at a rock concert... the very sensitive Radar units need a quiet place to be able to hear the tiny echo coming off the back of the projectile.

I use my Chrony indoors and my FX Pocket Radar and LabRadar outdoors.

Cheers!
 
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Mike,

It's not the unit, it's the physics that is the issue.

All of the doppler Radar units are sensitive to back-scatter (reflections/echos). The more powerful the unit, the greater the problem - especially indoors where there's lots of surfaces send false signals back to the unit.

Think of it like trying to carry on a conversation at a rock concert... the very sensitive Radar units need a quiet place to be able to hear the tiny echo coming off the back of the projectile.

I use my Chrony indoors and my FX Pocket Radar and LabRadar outdoors.

Cheers!
And you never know until you try...
My Labradar worked in an under-eaves 'tunnel' in my old house, no problem. But it wouldn't work in my shop. It's all about what's nearby and (I assume) it's radar reflectivity. The Garmin seems to work regardless. Even though the instructions say you need something like 20y, etc (I assume that's for worst-case conditions) it has been consistently reliable at 15' for me in what I'd consider a very cluttered shop, with lots of metal (very radar reflective). The newer Labradar appears to be pretty much a Garmin, so I would expect similar.

In terms of batteries, the Garmin has a built-in battery, but it's nicely connectorized and will be no problem to replace if and when the time comes.

I've owned six chronos now - including the Labradar and the Garmin (and the Oehler Personal Ballistics Lab) and the Garmin is the hands-down winner in my book - but, yes, it's expensive.

GsT
 
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Mike,

It's not the unit, it's the physics that is the issue.

All of the doppler Radar units are sensitive to back-scatter (reflections/echos). The more powerful the unit, the greater the problem - especially indoors where there's lots of surfaces send false signals back to the unit.

Think of it like trying to carry on a conversation at a rock concert... the very sensitive Radar units need a quiet place to be able to hear the tiny echo coming off the back of the projectile.

I use my Chrony indoors and my FX Pocket Radar and LabRadar outdoors.

Cheers!
You just have to try, I have never used mine anywhere but my house and once took it to a friends place with open fields a few hours away. Only took it there to see if there was a difference between mine and his. There wasn't. That friend on the other hand, has used his at a commercial indoor 25 yard pistol range whose backstop is armor plate steel from floor to ceiling and wall to wall. He sets his on low power and it works for him indoors, even on .22 pistol.
 
The new Caldwell Veloradar will be available in the next month or so. Check out the YouTube vids. It's everything I want in a chronograph and likely at a good price point when initially sold and promoted
Looks like a nice unit, of course we'll need to hear some feedback once it's out and being put to the test.
 
My friend has Labradar and it’s PIA and registers half the time at best. I would look into FX true ballistics chrono if you are looking for BC validation.
The Labradar really isn't that bad, BUT it's got a learning curve and it takes careful setup to get it to register consistently. I glued a small bit of brass tube in the sighting notch on mine and I believe that has helped a lot. It's worth noting that it also has a radar-triggering mode (not the default) that often seems easier / more reliable than the acoustic triggering, but substantially increases it's already hungry battery appetite.

All that said, I find myself measuring BC much less than I thought I would...

GsT
 
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Just an update. I installed some LED light strips on my Caldwell chronograph and it works very well. I know they sell lights meant for this but the Caldwell ones are $67. These lights were $16 from Amazon.

Actually, I already have a set of Caldwell lightbars that I bought years ago (you can see it right beside the pump). The version that I have though only came with an AC adapter. I know the newer models come with a battery box that you can use instead of the AC adapter. I thought about getting a battery box for my Caldwell lights but what confused me was the AC adapter on mine says that it outputs 24v. A battery box with 3 AA batteries is only 4.5v.

I like to do this kind of stuff in the dark at night. My neighbors are cool but I just want to keep gun stuff on the down low. I just put this out in the middle of the woods at night and no one's the wiser. That's actually one of the main reasons why I even thought of buying a radar unit in the first place... so that I'm not dependent on daylight. For how little I plan on using this, I think this is an acceptable solution for me.

FYI, when I do this at night, I'm well within inside the window so the muzzle report of a moderated 31 FPE .22 gun from the outside is very minimal. Also, I'm only shooting 5 shots, max 10 shots, once in a blue moon, so I'm not out there every night firing the gun all night long keeping everyone awake.

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Just an update. I installed some LED light strips on my Caldwell chronograph and it works very well. I know they sell lights meant for this but the Caldwell ones are $67. These lights were $16 from Amazon.

Actually, I already have a set of Caldwell lightbars that I bought years ago (you can see it right beside the pump). The version that I have though only came with an AC adapter. I know the newer models come with a battery box that you can use instead of the AC adapter. I thought about getting a battery box for my Caldwell lights but what confused me was the AC adapter on mine says that it outputs 24v. A battery box with 3 AA batteries is only 4.5v.

I like to do this kind of stuff in the dark at night. My neighbors are cool but I just want to keep gun stuff on the down low. I just put this out in the middle of the woods at night and no one's the wiser. That's actually one of the main reasons why I even thought of buying a radar unit in the first place... so that I'm not dependent on daylight. For how little I plan on using this, I think this is an acceptable solution for me.

FYI, when I do this at night, I'm well within inside the window so the muzzle report of a moderated 31 FPE .22 gun from the outside is very minimal. Also, I'm only shooting 5 shots, max 10 shots, once in a blue moon, so I'm not out there every night firing the gun all night long keeping everyone awake.

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Did the same but used cheap roll of 12vdc IR leds. Mine hated the white local lowes leds.
 
Question to Labradar owners:
In my local classifieds I found several for very attempting price and some still listed as "new". What confuses me what is in the box? Were there multiple versions of packages?
Only one sellers is mentioning "Bluetooth" the others just listing a tripod (which I already have a bunch), one is saying BT cable, but nobody is pointing out any "downrange microphone".
BT is tickling my interest, but pretty much I just need data to feed into StrelokP.
I would need one of these for my new 308 project only, otherwise for airguns I have the FX radar ver.1 rev.3 and working perfectly.
 
Question to Labradar owners:
In my local classifieds I found several for very attempting price and some still listed as "new". What confuses me what is in the box? Were there multiple versions of packages?
Only one sellers is mentioning "Bluetooth" the others just listing a tripod (which I already have a bunch), one is saying BT cable, but nobody is pointing out any "downrange microphone".
BT is tickling my interest, but pretty much I just need data to feed into StrelokP.
I would need one of these for my new 308 project only, otherwise for airguns I have the FX radar ver.1 rev.3 and working perfectly.
Went through this when I got my LabRadar. From what I understand...

The original had Bluetooth but there were problems with it maintaining the connection so the came out with the LabRadar Lite without the Bluetooth. Don't know if they have since fixed the Bluetooth issue and are selling it again or if you are looking at old units/stock.

The tripod from LabRadar was a separate purchase. I'm not aware if it was ever offered as a package deal.

The LabRadar is designed for firearms and triggers off of the muzzle blast. The microphone is designed for use with airguns and is a separate purchase.

I have the LabRadar Lite, tripod and microphone that I use frequently. No complaints, easy to use and (if aligned properly) rarely misses a shot.

Hope this helps!
 
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