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Slugs now allowed in 100 yard BR at Air Gun Oregon match May 2nd-5th
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If there can be a problem with the equipment for more power then I understand it and I understand the 100fpe limit, also maybe for more safety reasons.
My point is same as Centercut and others, to really make a competition where pretty much anyone can compete with anything.
Yes the name Unlimited is appropriate, let people compete slugs and pellets as I think it should have been since the beginning when slugs started to circulate on the scene.
As for whether 100fpe is enough for 100 yards, it's not so much about power, even just 50 fpe at 100 yards is enough, but the point is that it would be good to have one rifle that I can shoot 100-300 yard competitions, where some of these type of competitions have a minimum power limitation of say 120-130 fpe, and use the same rifle and ammo to compete at 100 yards.
For example, if someone from Europe would like to come to US to some of these competitions, one rifle is often the maximum they can bring and if the rifle is tuned, you don't want to reset with it by reducing the power for example.
100fpe may seem like decent power, but that was in the past. For example, the last 1 mile record I shot with a rifle that would no longer fit that limit (106 fpe) and it was only .22 caliber. If I want to shoot a .25 caliber , we might as well be talking 150 -170 fpe.
If someone is addressing the advantage and disadvantage: the disadvantage is more recoil, but again better BC and therefore more wind resistance. It's then up to the shooters to find the appropriate ratio between these two opposing elements.
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@thomasair
If you have 12 or less unlimited shooters...why not do the total of all 3 cards for the winning aggregate?
Just rotate benches for each card and keep them all on the same relay. Could be like a standard BR match.
Mike
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Wayne, this is a good idea, if we have the time on Sunday (with 12 Unlimited shooters or less).
If you have 12 or less unlimited shooters...why not do the total of all 3 cards for the winning aggregate?
Just rotate benches for each card and keep them all on the same relay. Could be like a standard BR match.
Mike
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Wayne, this is a good idea, if we have the time on Sunday (with 12 Unlimited shooters or less).
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Yes, I think we can do that. If the new Unlimited class gets more than 12 it probably means some choose not to shoot in the Pellet class, so it should still work.
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What would the shooting schedule look like for 100y BR? I am not interested in participating in the other events.
Mike
Mike
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As long as you are tweaking the rules to see what works, I suggest that you change shooting time from 30 min to 20 min per target. This time is common for many (most) similar score-type formats.
--Jim
--Jim
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Since we are breaking new ground here, let's also allow tethering in the long range challenge as well.
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I'm in the process of reworking the schedule and would really like anyone interested in shooting the Unlimited class to let me know asap. I'll start looking at more relays in the 100 yard EBR for both classes now.
Yes, we should also lower the time allowed to shoot the card. 20 mins seems plenty. What about 15 minutes? We can have a lot more relays if it's 15 or 20 mins per card and we can arrange quick bench relay and target changing.
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Depending on the numbers of course, we might be able to allow competitors to shoot in both Unlimited and Pellet, 100 yard.. let me know if you want too. Mike (Centercut) has already signed up. Also let me know your first choice if it comes down to that with number of contestants.
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Really, adding the "tethering allowed" to the Unlimited Slug" class.. especially for long range, but 100 yd also fits into this as a Real Big Change for entry level equipment that aren't regulated and have to be tuned for an average shot string.... and also opening the idea of the air tube/300-400cc air tank, now becoming the "Plenum" you can really retune your rig in this class equalizing the custom low price point equipment with the high end stuff... don't you think?
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What I’d really like to see is wind reading put back into 100Y BR. Every shooter starts with 30 pellets (or slugs). You get no more than five sighters. Not 200. You think I’m joking? I’ve seen many shooters, even those at the top shoot HUNDREDS of sighters during a 100Y BR match.
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it doesn't quite work that a cheap rifle that doesn't have a regulator but maybe a 500cc tank will suddenly be high power. Most of the cheaper rifles have an outdated valve system that doesn't allow them to have high power, regardless of plenum size, since they already come to market without a regulator and actually the plenum is the whole bottle. These rifles don't suddenly start excelling just by connecting to an external regulator.
A big bottle makes sense for dynamic disciplines like PRS, but why would shooters who don't shoot those disciplines need to buy pointless rifles designed just for PRS for benchrest when ultimately they can get by with a rifle without an airtube in general.
Such a design is much faster and easier to tune, and less prone to malfunctions.
If I'm going overboard, to fulfill the competition condition, all I need is a 500cc-1L or 2L bottle and duct tape and I no longer have a rifle attached to a bottle, but a rifle with a big bottle.
I understand your point that it's not so much about actually reading the wind at first glance, but more about mapping how the wind behaves in a given location and then seeing similar conditions and make shot.What I’d really like to see is wind reading put back into 100Y BR. Every shooter starts with 30 pellets (or slugs). You get no more than five sighters. Not 200. You think I’m joking? I’ve seen many shooters, even those at the top shoot HUNDREDS of sighters during a 100Y BR match.
On the other hand, it is already a very significant interference with the established rules and there is a competition where this is not allowed and that is the 100-300 yard competition, so the shooter can choose what suits him better.
It certainly appropriate to have a discussion on this topic, perhaps this rule would suit the majority.I personally don't have an opinion on it, I primarily shoot the type of shooting without sighters shots, but that doesn't mean that I would promote one or the other in this regard, because from my point of view the rules apply to everyone equally and do not limit the competition participant like the rules limiting slugs or tethering, where the given shooter cannot even participate in the given competition, as the equipment does not allow him to do so.
As I wrote, it is good to have a discussion and then draw conclusions from it, but it is not so important. It changes the competition a bit, but it doesn't limit the competitors.
P.S. purely from the point of view of what would suit my company, I should enforce your rule of 5 sighters, no more, as our slugs would have an advantage over the competition thanks to the high BC but I'm not really talking here as a company owner, but as a shooter who wants to move competitions to a better level for all.
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Mike, that's really gonna be hard to police... don't you think.. Time limits are all that is realistic.. it seems to me.What I’d really like to see is wind reading put back into 100Y BR. Every shooter starts with 30 pellets (or slugs). You get no more than five sighters. Not 200. You think I’m joking? I’ve seen many shooters, even those at the top shoot HUNDREDS of sighters during a 100Y BR match.
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I think I said "one could customize a lower price point rig" so to speak.. sure you have to retune with different valves and hammer springs.. but doing that alone and a lot of barrel polishing hopefully can get you a competitive rig for a lot less money.. Anyway it opens the door for those who want to try.
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I was just trying to be funny. Sorry.
Pellet Class 100Y rules the same as always correct? This new trial thing is for Unlimited…?
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Not that I’m agreeing that it’s needed, but I don’t see why it would be hard to police. Currently, 25 shot limit on the scoring field and no limit on the sighters. The proposal is for a 25+5 shot limit for the entire sheet. Any more than that in either case and the competitor incurs a penalty.
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Wayne, I’ve been advocating for a scoring change for many years now, to bring the 100Y (EBR and RMAC) in line with the rest of the world.
I’d like to see for more than 25 shots (say a double shot target), to use the standard Benchrest convention and score the lower of the two shots minus 1.
Currently there is a -10 penalty for any shots over 25 in the scoring area. Last year when Monte and I scored the 100Y cards, we scored as real benchrest, not EBR/RMAC. Let’s continue to do it that way…
I’d like to see for more than 25 shots (say a double shot target), to use the standard Benchrest convention and score the lower of the two shots minus 1.
Currently there is a -10 penalty for any shots over 25 in the scoring area. Last year when Monte and I scored the 100Y cards, we scored as real benchrest, not EBR/RMAC. Let’s continue to do it that way…
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