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N/A Thinking of buying my 1st PCP, need advice.

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Sawney Bean said:
Buy the very best rifle you can manage and then get a cheap Amazon hand pump and a Leapers scope to go with it. Since you want a .177 a hand pump won't be too bad. Four months from now upgrade the Leapers to the best scope you can afford and put the Leapers on something else. Four months later get a GX CS4. A year from now you'll have a kick ass rifle and all the gear to support it.
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Leapers as a cheap scope? Provide a link to one so I can see it please?

I put this scope on my .25 cal as well as a .300 BLK powder burner, and it's a GREAT scope for the money (though I don't use the laser). Zero the scope at 30 yards and the holograph at about 15 feet. Total Dragon slayer.

 
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Sawney Bean said:
Most Leapers scopes are well under $200. Some are under $100. They're about as cheap a scope as I would bother putting on a Daystate.
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I don't have any experience with Leapers, but check out my link for the scope I have on my .25 and my .300 BLK. AMAZING optics for a bargain price. Other than some distortion at the outer edges, it performs just as well as my $600 Arken EP-5, but was only $80 bucks (I have this on my .25 Umarex as well as on a custom .300 BLK).
 
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I think there are much better choices than Leapers. If you want a $100 scope I suggest a Hawke Vantage 2-7 or 3-9. I have the 2-7 on my Prod and it works fine. I have several scopes that I paid around $200 for. My West Hunter 4-16 was under $200 and works fine (needs to I think warranty is iffy). I also have a Primary Arms 4-16 that was less than $200 but isn't available any more. I paid $200 for my Athlon Talos 6-24 on sale. My Primary Arms 4-14 was a little over $200 and is nice for hunting, the reticle is too thick for serious target work. My Vector Sentnel 8-32 was about $200 and is fine for target work. The glass isn't as good as the Talos, however, so they are about equal on targets. My Arken EPL-4 6-24 was $330 so significantly more but has better glass and more reliable adjustment. Reticle is nice for targets but pretty much invisible at 6X (it is ffp). If you shop carefully I think what I consider to be "good glass" can be had starting at about $200. There are at least a couple reliable scopes for $100 and if you can spend more you will get better glass but a well selected $200 scope is very much worth having IMHO.
 
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Healthservices said:
Just don't buy a redwolf and think all you need is a hand pump. At least you have the forum as a good source of information.

Air source- compressor or buying air?
Bottle
Hoses
adapters
Bipod and or bags,
Scope,
Rings
Magazines
Pellets
moderator
Case or bag to hold rifle, tools, pellets, tank
Tools,
Cleaning supplies
A place to lay out and work or clean the gun
Chronograph of some sort
shooting table?
Targets
Target backstop
Safe place to shoot

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Allen
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Exactly.....
 
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JimD said:
I think there are much better choices than Leapers. If you want a $100 scope I suggest a Hawke Vantage 2-7 or 3-9. I have the 2-7 on my Prod and it works fine. I have several scopes that I paid around $200 for. My West Hunter 4-16 was under $200 and works fine (needs to I think warranty is iffy). I also have a Primary Arms 4-16 that was less than $200 but isn't available any more. I paid $200 for my Athlon Talos 6-24 on sale. My Primary Arms 4-14 was a little over $200 and is nice for hunting, the reticle is too thick for serious target work. My Vector Sentnel 8-32 was about $200 and is fine for target work. The glass isn't as good as the Talos, however, so they are about equal on targets. My Arken EPL-4 6-24 was $330 so significantly more but has better glass and more reliable adjustment. Reticle is nice for targets but pretty much invisible at 6X (it is ffp). If you shop carefully I think what I consider to be "good glass" can be had starting at about $200. There are at least a couple reliable scopes for $100 and if you can spend more you will get better glass but a well selected $200 scope is very much worth having IMHO.
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The exact scope isn't important. I merely stated Leapers as it's the brand I've used in the past when I couldn't afford a nice scope and none of them have failed me.

My point was that he should spend the lion's share of his money on a nice gun, get the minimum necessary when it comes to a pump and optics and then upgrade those later. What I've found is that I always have some beater gun that can use the hand me down optics and it's nice to have a hand pump tucked away behind the seat of my truck.
 
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I started with a hand pump and still have two. If my YH quits on me I will pull one out. I don't love hand pumping, especially for the bigger guns, but I like it better than no shooting. When all I had was a Prod, hand pumping was not a big deal.

I know leapers scopes work for many but my bug buster wouldn't hold zero and Leapers just wasted my time and money having me send it back under warranty. As soon as I did, they would not reply and did nothing. I wouldn't want others to deal with this type of "customer support". Especially since there are other better options.
 
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F6Hawk said:
I started with that, but only used it for a couple of days and stepped up to the EP-5 for just a few $$ more.
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Both great inexpensive scopes for their intended use. When I got the epl it was for a small easy to carry compact gun. I think i have it on a uragan compact and a compact impact. The ep5 does have better glass, more elevation, and unfortunately more weight. Basically a whole pound heavier which at the time was even heavier than the weight of my old atn night scope w/o the range finder by 5 oz. If it was a bench gun application ok, but I bought the epl, for a old man to carry, point, and shoot application.

The op may want more magnification or clarity. Either one would be good for the price point. Getting one that is lighter weight and better glass will cost more though.


Allen
 
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Hannigan said:
I am thinking of taking the dive into PCPs. I have been eyeing the HW110 carbine laminate because I like the Weihrauchs. But the Daystate Wolverine R High Power .177 is also catching my eye. I need your guys advice, if I take the PCP dive, what will I also need to get for a PCP? I want something that is precise that can be used for longer distance target practice. What do you recommend and what would I also need to go with getting a PCP? Please let me know, thanks.
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Be sure to add the cost of a compressor and associated gear. I would highly recommend you buy a preowned Daystate Air Wolf MCT or a Daystate Mark IV. Both of these early MCT PCPs are reliable, accurate and state of the art. They will introduce you to the electronic rifle before you invest another $2000 just to find out electronic rifles are not "all that" for you. My own Air Wolf and Mk IV are fantastic rifles and totally fulfill my desires for an electronic rifle.

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