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JSB .22 Redesign

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Flyer1944 said:
My question is as a pellet how good are they a 100 yards? I have pretty good accuracy with the18.13 JSBs but want to try the 25gr looking for opinions
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Good at 100??? Well that depends on what you're doing at 100yards. If you are plinking or target shooting, then you'll be fine.
If you want these for a competiton, then i say do not use for competition. When milimeters count..these will fail. Weighed and sized didn't make a difference. They are not good in current form.
I am waiting til JSB has released it's new line of pellets before i purchase any more.
Hope the Grands will be a suitable alternative to the current MRD's or/and that the next generation MRD's will be consistent(they're a joke for consistency currently)
But for now, out of my rifle( HM1000X in .22), the 18.13 shoot much much more consistenly than the MRDs at 50 and 100 yards.
if you are getting decent results with the 18.13...don't change. It will just make you frustrated.
When JSB releases their next batch ..ask question again.
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You know what I am finding interesting here? We are talking how bad and how not cooperating is this MRD for 100 M/y distances. This is ongoing for 3-4-5 years now?
How-come no one else came up with a big mass .22 for these long distances? AA or H&N ???
I like the AA for example but what they have a weight for up to 50 Meters only, and what I found the 15.9gn works better then the 18gn.
H&N all 15.85gn and 18gn works great to 50M, the 21gn is pretty stable and predictable up to 70M maybe...
But no one of them made anything heavier, like the JSB 25grainer which is not working well...
I think all these manufacturers know something that we don't.... ;(
 
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bigHUN said:
How-come no one else came up with a big mass .22 for these long distances? AA or H&N ???
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AA (Air Arms) pellets are made by JSB. Air Arms is not a pellet manufacturer. Nor is FX, Daystate (Rangemaster) and many other private label pellets made by JSB. There are fewer pellet manufacturers than many people realize. Thus, the fewer options in pellet design.
 
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igolfat8 said:
Air Arms owns their own dies and JSB runs their dies exclusively for them. However, they (AA) don’t make 25.34 MRDs.
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That is a common misconception. It is explained by Pavel Kolebac, Managing Director of JSB, in this tour of the JSB pellet factory in the Czech Republic by Steve Scialli of AEAC. I've started the video link below at the time stamp where Pavel explains how private label pellets are made :)

 
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igolfat8 said:
Yes, I've seen that video but it’s also refuted by the lady who owns AA and the dies. That video is out there as well. I think she has also posted on this forum her facts, not mine.
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Pavel Kolebac is one of the owners and the Managing Director of JSB. He would be the final word. The statement by the owner of Air Arms sounds like a sales pitch.

But it's no big deal. All of the private label sellers of JSB pellets want consistency, so JSB uses a single die for any given run of pellets for a private label. For instance, when FX orders 18.13 pellets in .22 as part of their order, JSB uses a single die for that run of 18.13 pellets. Like Pavel says, it could be die 1 or die 22 or die 37. By using a single die for a run of pellets, those pellets will be consistent from tin to tin. But a year later, the next run of FX 18.13 .22 pellets might be run on a different die. That is why we see inconsistency from year to year in the private label brands. One year everybody loves them. The next year, maybe not so much. JSB doesn't have specific dies for specific private labels, and that's why we can see inconsistency in pellets year over year.

There are no magic pellet dies owned by the private label sellers of JSB pellets. Private label pellets are more consistent because they are made on one die for each order, while JSB branded pellets could come from multiple dies in a single sleeve of pellets.
 
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@KodiakJac , Just to update the thread.

I emailed the following to AA: "There is a thread on the AGN in which someone disputes that AA 'Owns" their own dies that JSB runs for them. I was told several years ago by the lady that owns AAs that your company owns their own dies that JSB uses to manufacture AA pellets. Is this true or a myth? Please clarify."

Below is the response I received yesterday:

"Thanks for your email, we can assure you that JSB manufacture the Air Arms pellets to our specifications and using our Dies.
Kind Regards,"
 
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igolfat8 said:
@KodiakJac , Just to update the thread.

I emailed the following to AA: "There is a thread on the AGN in which someone disputes that AA 'Owns" their own dies that JSB runs for them. I was told several years ago by the lady that owns AAs that your company owns their own dies that JSB uses to manufacture AA pellets. Is this true or a myth? Please clarify."

Below is the response I received yesterday:

"Thanks for your email, we can assure you that JSB manufacture the Air Arms pellets to our specifications and using our Dies.
Kind Regards,"
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She told me the same and that the dies were not cheap but here is a article about that

https://www.ihunter.co.uk/air-arms-pellets-review-and-the-truth-about-jsb/
 
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igolfat8 said:
@KodiakJac , Just to update the thread.

I emailed the following to AA: "There is a thread on the AGN in which someone disputes that AA 'Owns" their own dies that JSB runs for them. I was told several years ago by the lady that owns AAs that your company owns their own dies that JSB uses to manufacture AA pellets. Is this true or a myth? Please clarify."

Below is the response I received yesterday:

"Thanks for your email, we can assure you that JSB manufacture the Air Arms pellets to our specifications and using our Dies.
Kind Regards,"
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A lady working for AA said so, and you believe her over the owner of JSB who on video stated otherwise.🤔
 
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With the vague wording, and the way it goes in advertising and marketing, both JSB and AA presidents could very well be making factual statements.

Been a while since I saw the JSB factory video but seems like he said something along the lines of "our dies."

Which is also what the Air Arms president is saying.

JSB, being what it is, either makes their own dies or has a VERY trusted 3rd party making them, either way, they're proprietary JSB dies.

Air Arms is a gun manufacturer, not a pellet manufacturer. Logically, I can't see AA making their own dies, nor even having the know-how to do such.

So, I would guess it's a situation where JSB made the dies (hence making it true that they are "their" dies) and AA pays an exclusivity fee so that all JSB pellets branded as Air Arms are made with those AA designated dies.

They can both say that the Air Arms branded JSB pellets are "made with our dies."
 
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At the shot show one year… Someone I know asked Pavel from JSB...who made the dies for air arms? He said they make them and they're not anything special. Claire from AA happened to be there, too, and when the same question was asked to her...she replied that they better be exclusively her dies. She was then told that Pavel said they were nothing special, and they are not proprietary to air arms. Claire walked straight over and confronted Pavel ...he refused to answer her in front of anyone and left.

Pavel was also asked why certain dies of pellets are so much better than others of the same type and he said that's not true...they are all exactly the same. Of course a blind man could see the differences (some are massive) but he stuck to his story.

I once bought 12 cases of a great shooting die that I sampled. When I got into them, it turned out that there were at least 5 completely different pellets all labeled as the exact same full die number. I took pictures of the 5 different pellets all sitting on the edge of a surface next to each other and it was obvious to anyone that they were all different....even without measuring any equipment. Pavel said they were all the same. It was at that point that I realized that the die number was not going to ever help me find more of the same pellets.

Mike
 
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All I know is if I had a dollar for every time I thought I had that batch of magical pellets based on that previous magical batch of pellets based off lot numbers that I could afford to buy a new car. I wouldn’t need a new gun every 6mo. Trying to find the magic gun or barrel that will shoot the last batch of magical pellets that stopped shooting in my current gun!

I hope this makes some kind of sense I lost track of what I was saying, because I just thought about changing my seating depth of my current lot of pellets🧐😢😠
 
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