My question is as a pellet how good are they a 100 yards? I have pretty good accuracy with the18.13 JSBs but want to try the 25gr looking for opinions
JSB .22 Redesign
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Wait just a bit for the new group of pellets in 22 cal from jsb to come out. They are supposed to be out very soon. Check the pellet thread for new mrds
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depends in the gun. if you can shoot them betweem 860 and 950, I have three or four rifles that shoot them like a laser at longer distances, bucking the wind better than the 18.1s.
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At the correct speed for your barrel, they will yield much higher BC and higher probability for better accuracy.
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The .22/25.4 Redesigns are pushed much less by wind (ballistic coefficient) at 100 yards than the .22/18.13, but MAN are they (25.4) an infuriating pellet.
I've tried them with various guns at various speeds, various rifling profiles, various twist rates, various brands of barrel manufacture, with choke, without choke, etc. My empty tin stacks are pretty serious with these, easily north of 12,000 pellets. And the problem of random flyers persists through all of that. The general experience is that at 100 yards MOST of them will go where you want, probably averages out to 1 or 2 out of every 10 shots that I call "flyers." Flyers being that they don't follow what the wind is doing. Sometimes that 1 or 2 bad out of 10 shots will actually spiral or veer off like a curveball. Sorting and weighing helps reduce them, but they cannot be eliminated by all the varieties of sorting that I've attempted.
Perhaps a barrel exists that can shoot them well, but I've yet to find it.
The generally accepted view is that the 2019-2023 batches were the worst for flyers, with those prior to 2019ish shooting much better.
There are some new ones being released, labeled "deep" and "shallow" (referencing the skirt depth) that many are hoping will be an improvement. I'm personally not so sure that the flyer problem is not simply a mismatch between their shape and the available barrels, or even that the pellets center of gravity is in the wrong place, or on the knife edge of the wrong place. If any of those are the true problem, more of the same pellets in tins with new designations aren't going to help the situation.
The JTS .22/25.4 are a very near copy of the JSB .22/25.4. I spent a couple shooting sessions in the last few weeks (largest was most of a Saturday) evaluating the JTS against the JSB @ 100 yards. The extremes are harsher with the JTS. A good majority of them will be 9s and 10s on an EBR card, while the worst of them won't hit the 9x11 sheet of paper. I've not wasted any of my life on trying to sort the JTS, but there might be some gains there for those with more patience and time than myself.
I'm a stubborn individual, and only recently decided that I'm done throwing money at trying to get .22/25.4 Monster RDs to shoot to my standards.
I've tried them with various guns at various speeds, various rifling profiles, various twist rates, various brands of barrel manufacture, with choke, without choke, etc. My empty tin stacks are pretty serious with these, easily north of 12,000 pellets. And the problem of random flyers persists through all of that. The general experience is that at 100 yards MOST of them will go where you want, probably averages out to 1 or 2 out of every 10 shots that I call "flyers." Flyers being that they don't follow what the wind is doing. Sometimes that 1 or 2 bad out of 10 shots will actually spiral or veer off like a curveball. Sorting and weighing helps reduce them, but they cannot be eliminated by all the varieties of sorting that I've attempted.
Perhaps a barrel exists that can shoot them well, but I've yet to find it.
The generally accepted view is that the 2019-2023 batches were the worst for flyers, with those prior to 2019ish shooting much better.
There are some new ones being released, labeled "deep" and "shallow" (referencing the skirt depth) that many are hoping will be an improvement. I'm personally not so sure that the flyer problem is not simply a mismatch between their shape and the available barrels, or even that the pellets center of gravity is in the wrong place, or on the knife edge of the wrong place. If any of those are the true problem, more of the same pellets in tins with new designations aren't going to help the situation.
The JTS .22/25.4 are a very near copy of the JSB .22/25.4. I spent a couple shooting sessions in the last few weeks (largest was most of a Saturday) evaluating the JTS against the JSB @ 100 yards. The extremes are harsher with the JTS. A good majority of them will be 9s and 10s on an EBR card, while the worst of them won't hit the 9x11 sheet of paper. I've not wasted any of my life on trying to sort the JTS, but there might be some gains there for those with more patience and time than myself.
I'm a stubborn individual, and only recently decided that I'm done throwing money at trying to get .22/25.4 Monster RDs to shoot to my standards.
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What kind of EBR scores @ 100yards are you getting?
Or, what does it look like if you shoot 5, 5 shot groups @ 100?
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I didn't have the chance to reach out to 100 yards with them as of yet. Those were the 1st thing I tried with my king @ 50 and it's was one little ragged hole. Probably sent 100 down the barrel before I switched to slugs.
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Most of the barrels I tried shoot the .22 Monster RD quite well to 50 yards. Stretching it out to 100 is where you see the heartbreakers. Being as I play in pellet only competitions that go to 100 yards, the .22/25.4 MRD isn't doing it for me.
Many may not believe it, but I've got multiple 19foot pound guns (.177 and .20) that'll shoot better at 100 yards than the .22 MRDs at 45-50fpe, in low or no wind conditions.
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I get that. I have a feeling it will do well at 100. I'll have to try it out and report back one of these days.
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Would love to see your results. I'm not against the MRD, and would love to see somebody crack the code to get the stupid things to shoot well. I am however, pretty negative on them, based on too many personal experiences.
Shoot 5 groups of 5 shots each, all on the same page. Better yet, repeat it a couple times.
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The flyers are spirals. Some of the many current variations of monsters are less prone to them. I'm not taking about old ones from whenever it was... Im referring to the ones that have been available for a long time. These are some from Pyramyd maybe a month ago.
The middle group is 25 shots. I did quite a few like that in succession and some better...so they can be shot reliably well at 100. I also shot maybe 25 or so at 130 plus yards with no evidence of spirals. The owner of that barrel shot a few consecutive high 230s on the ebr cards after receiving it in wind he felt was tougher than ebr last year....and at sea level.
I'm betting the new shallow and deep monsters will simply be the current variations packaged to tell you which variation you're getting. I bet those subsets will vary too. I highly doubt jsb is gonna roll out all new dies.
Im hoping the new grands will shoot out of the same barrels as the current monsters.
The current monsters are fussy and have a narrow comfort zone.
Mike
The middle group is 25 shots. I did quite a few like that in succession and some better...so they can be shot reliably well at 100. I also shot maybe 25 or so at 130 plus yards with no evidence of spirals. The owner of that barrel shot a few consecutive high 230s on the ebr cards after receiving it in wind he felt was tougher than ebr last year....and at sea level.
I'm betting the new shallow and deep monsters will simply be the current variations packaged to tell you which variation you're getting. I bet those subsets will vary too. I highly doubt jsb is gonna roll out all new dies.
Im hoping the new grands will shoot out of the same barrels as the current monsters.
The current monsters are fussy and have a narrow comfort zone.
Mike
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100% agree, on all accounts.
For those mere mortals amongst us that don't possess your barrel knowledge and barrel massaging abilities, the MRDs are maddening.
And I mean that (no sarcasm). Nobody knows barrels like you.
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For comparison, this is about the best I can get them to do, in realistically typical conditions. And they'll only do this from a certain batch with a certain lube.
20 consecutive shots at 100 yards, a couple under the MOA coin, but you get the idea, most are within about 1.75-2inches, with a couple outside that.
After much trial and error, an EBR card usually average 210-220 with them. Occasionally there will be an outlier in the 225 range.
Versus .20/15.89 that average 215-225, at only 30fpe, not the 45-50 from the .22/25.4.
Versus .20/18.9 slugs that average 225-235 at only 32fpe.
20 consecutive shots at 100 yards, a couple under the MOA coin, but you get the idea, most are within about 1.75-2inches, with a couple outside that.
After much trial and error, an EBR card usually average 210-220 with them. Occasionally there will be an outlier in the 225 range.
Versus .20/15.89 that average 215-225, at only 30fpe, not the 45-50 from the .22/25.4.
Versus .20/18.9 slugs that average 225-235 at only 32fpe.
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I'd like to see your 100 y results also, when you get a chance.
My RAW .22 HP HM1000x shoots them at 940 FPS very well at 50y, and rarely can achieve MOA 1" at 100y. EBR practice cards average is in the 210-220 range, some really good NUAH cards; but too many fliers is my consistent issue.
Hoping the new Grand 28g shows some promise.
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