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First 50y cards with Altaros Atp king

thomasair

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Already working on the setup for the next Unlimited worlds event in Finland. These are the 2 very first cards shot with Thomas Slug gun and @Altaros 40gr atp king slugs at 890 fps. Very good first showing. I'm certain it will get better. šŸ˜€

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very nice result and even more interesting your test at 100 yards.
Glad you got to try them and thanks for posting.
Personally, these short distances (under 200 yards) are not my cup of tea, but your type of comparison of the results I discovered a week ago is interesting (N50 at 100 ā€œIn The Ringsā€ Slug Challenge) and for me mainly because on one target A4 it can easily shoot 75 times (3x 25). I don't like going to change the targets, that's why I prefer to shoot anything that can indicate a hit (preferably also the approximate place on the target ) and stays in place for a long time.
I read your statement in your thread which I absolutely agree :

"Iā€™m with you in your ā€œhit what you are aiming atā€ philosophy. Guns are completely useless if the user cannot hit what they need to. Random group shooting is incredibly popular because itā€™s infinitely easier than putting a group where it belongs. Anything easy will be more popular. "
Mike- ThomasAir

A large number of shooters do not realize how big a difference it is to shoot a 1 MOA group compared to the same number of shots hitting a 1 MOA target.
The difficulty of hitting a target rather than making a group is much greater than most realizes.

Myself, on paper, I primarily only shoot in my two tunnels (one at the company, one at my house) at distance 35-36m when I check the accuracy of the rifle, slug or the entire shooting set. If I go to shoot for training or testing on normal distance, I always shoot at the target, not groups on paper.

As for the speed of about 900fps, in my opinion it is the most optimized speed to shoot from an airgun if we want to shoot as accurately as possible. Higher velocities only make sense if the rifle had a bad SD of MV and was shooting at a longer distance. Otherwise, from the point of view of absolute accuracy, a higher speed is unnecessary in my opinion.
 
very nice result and even more interesting your test at 100 yards.
Glad you got to try them and thanks for posting.
Personally, these short distances (under 200 yards) are not my cup of tea, but your type of comparison of the results I discovered a week ago is interesting (N50 at 100 ā€œIn The Ringsā€ Slug Challenge) and for me mainly because on one target A4 it can easily shoot 75 times (3x 25). I don't like going to change the targets, that's why I prefer to shoot anything that can indicate a hit (preferably also the approximate place on the target ) and stays in place for a long time.
I read your statement in your thread which I absolutely agree :

"Iā€™m with you in your ā€œhit what you are aiming atā€ philosophy. Guns are completely useless if the user cannot hit what they need to. Random group shooting is incredibly popular because itā€™s infinitely easier than putting a group where it belongs. Anything easy will be more popular. "
Mike- ThomasAir

A large number of shooters do not realize how big a difference it is to shoot a 1 MOA group compared to the same number of shots hitting a 1 MOA target.
The difficulty of hitting a target rather than making a group is much greater than most realizes.

Myself, on paper, I primarily only shoot in my two tunnels (one at the company, one at my house) at distance 35-36m when I check the accuracy of the rifle, slug or the entire shooting set. If I go to shoot for training or testing on normal distance, I always shoot at the target, not groups on paper.

As for the speed of about 900fps, in my opinion it is the most optimized speed to shoot from an airgun if we want to shoot as accurately as possible. Higher velocities only make sense if the rifle had a bad SD of MV and was shooting at a longer distance. Otherwise, from the point of view of absolute accuracy, a higher speed is unnecessary in my opinion.
I am a big fan of your slugs and shoot them from my Pantheras and Hubens (using appropriate sizes of course). I (and also @Centercut) find that the FX slugs shoot very well at 880-900fps and we are often advising people here to use that speed because they try to shoot them faster as a consequence of conditioning from influencers. However, your site states that the recommended speed for the .254 Huben slugs is 1000fps. Iā€™m wondering if there is a reason for that difference relating to the design. They seem to shoot well at 900fps and that is approaching the limit of the power of the K1.
 
I am a big fan of your slugs and shoot them from my Pantheras and Hubens (using appropriate sizes of course). I (and also @Centercut) find that the FX slugs shoot very well at 880-900fps and we are often advising people here to use that speed because they try to shoot them faster as a consequence of conditioning from influencers. However, your site states that the recommended speed for the .254 Huben slugs is 1000fps. Iā€™m wondering if there is a reason for that difference relating to the design. They seem to shoot well at 900fps and that is approaching the limit of the power of the K1.
thanks, I'm glad you're makea infos for others about the appropriate MV for our slugs. As I wrote above, I think around 900fps is the ideal speed.
As for Huben slugs, we received this information from a shooter who used them in this way. In general, I think that the Huben is good for fun or hunting, but for real accuracy, these rifles and their copies that shoot a slug from the magazine and then fly into the barrel are not competitive at the highest level in terms of accuracy, that's why I don't pay attention to them, and everyone will must find good setup self.
If you say 900, we will edit this description on the website, personally I think it is also suitable, as with other slugs.
 
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thanks, I'm glad you're makea infos for others about the appropriate MV for our slugs. As I wrote above, I think around 900fps is the ideal speed.
As for Huben slugs, we received this information from a shooter who used them in this way. In general, I think that the Huben is good for fun or hunting, but for real accuracy, these rifles and their copies that shoot a slug from the magazine and then fly into the barrel are not competitive at the highest level in terms of accuracy, that's why I don't pay attention to them, and everyone will must find good setup self.
If you say 900, we will edit this description on the website, personally I think it is also suitable, as with other slugs.
Thanks - I agree with your assessment of the Hubens and others, but your slugs are still the best in that platform too, according to my experiments. On another topic, I hope that at some point, youā€™ll produce some of these slugs in 177!