Mirror, Mirror on the wall, which is the fastest full Auto of them all?

I give a rats butt!
That is awesome information
Ŵhat kind about reload time?

17 rounds in under 2 seconds is bonkers

4+ seconds seems like an awfully long time to clear a 17 round mag. Kind of defeats the purpose of full auto if you can fire faster in semi, right?

Anyway I love my Blitz. I won’t comment explicitly on something you mentioned, but let’s just say I would NOT want to be downrange of that gun.

MLE said:

4+ seconds seems like an awfully long time to clear a 17 round mag. Kind of defeats the purpose of full auto if you can fire faster in semi, right?

Anyway I love my Blitz. I won’t comment explicitly on something you mentioned, but let’s just say I would NOT want to be downrange of that gun.

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That does seem pretty slow. I am pretty sure I can fire 17 rounds in 4 seconds with any semi auto.......going to test now.

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The best I could do with the Biltz in semi auto mode (The worst semi auto trigger of any gun I own....) was 4 rounds per second in a Caldwell Precision clamping rest. I don't have any other semi auto airguns, so I will have to try a 22 with a good trigger on it later. I think I can probably cut that time down by several seconds.

Kind of on topic - Shouldn't Hatsan ship the Blitz with TWO of their high capacity "belt fed" mags rather than those anemic mags from the Factor guns?

Geezerhood said:

That does seem pretty slow. I am pretty sure I can fire 17 rounds in 4 seconds with any semi auto.......going to test now.

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The best I could do with the Biltz in semi auto mode (The worst semi auto trigger of any gun I own....) was 4 rounds per second in a Caldwell Precision clamping rest. I don't have any other semi auto airguns, so I will have to try a 22 with a good trigger on it later. I think I can probably cut that time down by several seconds.

Kind of on topic - Shouldn't Hatsan ship the Blitz with TWO of their high capacity "belt fed" mags rather than those anemic mags from the Factor guns?

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Hurah for science!

That’s still faster than the 4.34 on the LCS full auto. Barely, but faster. Maybe out of the vise you’ll have more leverage and can pull faster? Let me know your further findings. I’ll run the same test when I’m back home at my range.

I agree about the high capacity mags. I have two pre-ordered from Pyramyd Air and have been waiting forever. Can’t wait to throw away the flimsy ones that shipped with the gun. Well, maybe not throw away. I’ll keep them loaded in the back of my safe just in case. Assuming they don’t get chewed through before the new ones arrive.

Now you just have to practice speed reload…..BEEP! A bit surprised LCS takes that long especially given reload takes exponentially longer.


Although my cheap a$$ here going: 17 shots in 2 seconds is about 69 cents a second.

Geezerhood said:

That does seem pretty slow. I am pretty sure I can fire 17 rounds in 4 seconds with any semi auto.......going to test now.

Back.

The best I could do with the Biltz in semi auto mode (The worst semi auto trigger of any gun I own....) was 4 rounds per second in a Caldwell Precision clamping rest. I don't have any other semi auto airguns, so I will have to try a 22 with a good trigger on it later. I think I can probably cut that time down by several seconds.

Kind of on topic - Shouldn't Hatsan ship the Blitz with TWO of their high capacity "belt fed" mags rather than those anemic mags from the Factor guns?

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You can adjust the rate of fire on the LCS although I do not
think it can match the Blitz. The LCS has many operation happening as each shot cycles.

Rohmpm said:

You can adjust the rate of fire on the LCS although I do not
think it can match the Blitz. The LCS has many operation happening as each shot cycles.

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Cyclic rate adjustment is great! I wish the blitz had it. I would like a 2 or 3 shot burst with a single press and release of the trigger. On the Blitz I can't get it down below 4 and I have to concentrate on releasing the trigger, so the burst group is wider than it would be if I could concentrate on just the trigger pull and let the release follow naturally.

Has anyone made some high capacity mags for the LCS or any other larger caliber airguns? My friend who owns actual machine guns is interested in a 9mm full auto bullpup airgun that has at least a 30 round magazine.

Umarex Thompson M1A1 30 round mag will empty in just under 3 sec. The origanal Thompson 45 ACP will empty a 30 round mag in just over 3 sec.

This is my first time purchasing a PCP and of course it was the .30 Hatsan Blitz, this thing is an absolute MONSTER! I have shot the MP5 full auto and it climbs terribly, I would take my Blitz all day long!

iAMzehTOASTY1 said:

I give a rats butt!
That is awesome information
Ŵhat kind about reload time?

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The Blitz with the new extended 32 round mag is insane! If your going to buy one, in my opinion the Blitz is the way to go!

This ain't one of the listed guns, but an SMG .22 fires 12rds/sec. Comes with a hundred round belt that takes forever to fill.

got a friend that has a blitz, and it does really well at 30yrd group in full auto.
strap'd down in a weighted led-sled <2"

I have both, the LCS-SK19 and the Hatsan Blitz. The LCS, Huben K1 and Sidewinder all seem to use the same system. The Huben K1 does not fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, it seems limited just like the LCS. It seems like a mechanical limiter to me.

The Hatsan Blitz on the other hand has a very simple mechanic for cycling, a spring powdered by the air used to fire the gun.
I have a LMBR chronograph and that one can measure rate of fire. The standard blitz comes lubed with some white thick grease, I had a lot of problems getting mine to function properly so I basically disassembled the airgun, cleaned everything and relubed everything.
This made the mechanics MUCH smoother and MUCH faster, I had to tighten the magazine spring as the cycling was damaging the red plastic pellet holding part of the magazine.
I'm not sure as I didn't have the chronograph before relubing but I would guess the rate of fire was around 1000 rpm. Last time I tested my blitz it's rate of fire was 1400 rpm. The Baikal Drozd can be modded to 5000 rpm but that's .177. My Blitz is .25 cal so I think it's very impressive but I wonder how long it will last at that rate of fire, there has to be some mechanical wear.
I'm trying to buy the Blitz BP and once I get it I intend to compare them and the rate of fire.

I think the white paste that Hatsan lubricates the gun with reduces the cycling rate as it was like very thick toothpaste compared to the gun oil I used once I cleaned it all off.