Reasonable Expectations for a 16fpe .20 HW95 @ 50yds?

Sqwirl57 · Aug 13, 2022

Basically what the title says. What would you consider a reasonable group size at that range to be? I'm not talking about those rare groups that just make your heart skip a beat as you land that final perfect shot, I'm asking about your run of the mill, no thrills group.

Nico5999 · Aug 13, 2022

My Berman R10 in .20 would regularly do .75-1" groups at 50 yards.

It was a "Made in West Germany" 80's import and tuned by Russ Best, but the potential is there in all of them.

ChuckHunter · Aug 13, 2022

Nico5999 said:
My Berman R10 in .20 would regularly do .75-1" groups at 50 yards.

It was a "Made in West Germany" 80's import and tuned by Russ Best, but the potential is there in all of them.

Yeah what he said!
After finding how it likes to be held 1" groups should be the norm on a no wind day!

Sqwirl57 · Aug 13, 2022

Ok so I'm about on par then it seems. I was just getting frustrated because it always seems to be going really well but then one or two always want to ruin a great group. I'll chalk it up to just being a pretty snappy gun with little ammo selection to choose from.

ChuckHunter · Aug 13, 2022

If it's a new gun also check the pivot bolt through the breach! It should be just tight enough that the barrel won't free fall after it's cocked. The slightest play will throw groups off too. Especially at longer ranges!

DualMagMike · Aug 13, 2022

I strive for under an inch at 55 yards which is the FT maximum range. I have several groups that are well under 1/2 inch for 4 out the 5 shots. Not sure if it's my tendency to pull to the right or if it's the wind?

.341" for the 4 shot cluster

.351" 4 shot cluster

Sqwirl57 · Aug 13, 2022

DualMagMike said:
I strive for under an inch at 55 yards which is the FT maximum range. I have several groups that are well under 1/2 inch for 4 out the 5 shots. Not sure if it's my tendency to pull to the right or if it's the wind?

.341" for the 4 shot cluster
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.351" 4 shot cluster
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Yeah thats kind of similar to what I'm getting too. There are always a few that go where they are supposed to but always one or two that have a change of heart. I don't know if its me, the pellets, or the gun. I'm using the 13.73gr JSBs at the moment which seem to be the most consistent. The FTTs aren't terrible though either.

Its not a bad shooting gun by any means. Its just not a particularly fun gun to shoot groups with. It is fun to shoot stingers with though.

Edit: I meant "aren't" and not "are"

GoldenStateAIRGUNer · Aug 13, 2022

Sqwirlfugger57 said:
Yeah thats kind of similar to what I'm getting too. There are always a few that go where they are supposed to but always one or two that have a change of heart. I don't know if its me, the pellets, or the gun. I'm using the 13.73gr JSBs at the moment which seem to be the most consistent. The FTTs are terrible though either.

Its not a bad shooting gun by any means. Its just not a particularly fun gun to shoot groups with. It is fun to shoot stingers with though.

Everyone's nightmare! Those dreaded pesky fliers!

maxtrouble · Aug 14, 2022

Those are all great groups. I try not to chase groups with springers. I shoot spinners instead. Instant feedback and the misses are ALWAYS because of wind. Yep, always wind, NEVER the shooter.

AirNGasman · Aug 14, 2022

If you could completely eliminate human from the equation, the gun could probably average 1/2 to 3/4" five-shot groups at 50. But in Reality, a good shooter might get occasional groups in that range, but average two to three times as large.

SpiralGroove · Aug 14, 2022

Sqwirlfugger57 said:
Ok so I'm about on par then it seems. I was just getting frustrated because it always seems to be going really well but then one or two always want to ruin a great group. I'll chalk it up to just being a pretty snappy gun with little ammo selection to choose from.

I would scrub the barrel to smooth out the minor imperfections (400 clover and JB Paste) and then shoot JSB 13.73's.
Practice hold consistency, since the gun is new - most flyers are likely on you ....

Sqwirl57 · Aug 14, 2022

SpiralGroove said:
I would scrub the barrel to smooth out the minor imperfections (400 clover and JB Paste) and then shoot JSB 13.73's.
Practice hold consistency, since the gun is new - most flyers are likely on you ....

Barrel has been scrubbed thoroughly and the gun does shoot pretty well. The "fliers" (which I have no doubt are me) don't open the group up much, but they do tend to get them to an inch or so. Its more of an annoyance than anything else. I just de-detuned it back down to 14.8fpe with the 13.73gr and my 30m groups are typically 1/2" or so. I just shot this 10 shot group as an example:

SpiralGroove · Aug 14, 2022

Just keep shooten; those 30M groups look nice

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My "scrubbing" comment is really barrel polishing

Mycapt65 · Aug 15, 2022

I'm gonna find out this week. I brought my 20 caliber R9 with me to my AR property. I'll set up a target at 50 yds and see what I get. It's freshly tuned at 16 fpe. I think all I have is JSBs here.

Did you try the 20 caliber Baracudas?

Sqwirl57 · Aug 15, 2022

Mycapt65 said:
I'm gonna find out this week. I brought my 20 caliber R9 with me to my AR property. I'll set up a target at 50 yds and see what I get. It's freshly tuned at 16 fpe. I think all I have is JSBs here.

Did you try the 20 caliber Baracudas?

I have not tried the Baracudas yet but plan to next time they're in stock.

Mycapt65 · Aug 16, 2022

Well I'm all over the road with this groups vary from probably 1.5" to 0.5" if you exclude the sighter groups at the bottom. All groups are minimum of 5 shots. Distance is a measured 50 yds with calm winds occasionally gusts to 7 or 8 mph. I haven't set up a proper bench. I'm sitting in a plastic chair resting my left hand on a deck hand rail and my right arm is unsupported. With a proper set up I'm sure I'd be more consistent.

I've been shooting this R9 with my 22 R1. The R1 packs a wallop but the R9 is more accurate and enjoyable to shoot.

Sqwirl57 · Aug 16, 2022

Mycapt65 said:
Well I'm all over the road with this groups vary from probably 1.5" to 0.5" if you exclude the sighter groups at the bottom. All groups are minimum of 5 shots. Distance is a measured 50 yds with calm winds occasionally gusts to 7 or 8 mph. I haven't set up a proper bench. I'm sitting in a plastic chair resting my left hand on a deck hand rail and my right arm is unsupported. With a proper set up I'm sure I'd be more consistent.

I've been shooting this R9 with my 22 R1. The R1 packs a wallop but the R9 is more accurate and enjoyable to shoot.

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Yeah thats about what I'm dealing with too. Heavy-ish wind today but I managed ONE good group out of 4. Its a very temperamental gun. If I'm not 100% on that trigger pull, I'm off target by a lot.

Mycapt65 · Aug 16, 2022

Wind will always be a factor with airguns. My case was more about a poor set up. I'm referring to not having a proper bench.

Sqwirl57 · Aug 16, 2022

Mycapt65 said:
Wind will always be a factor with airguns. My case was more about a poor set up. I'm referring to not having a proper bench.

Shoot... you're right sorry. I skimmed right past your shooting position and straight to the picture. That will definitely do it. The middle left group is very impressive concidering how you were shooting

Mycapt65 · Aug 16, 2022

Sqwirlfugger57 said:
Shoot... you're right sorry. I skimmed right past your shooting position and straight to the picture. That will definitely do it. The middle left group is very impressive concidering how you were shooting

The potential is there. I just have to improve my bench

Reasonable Expectations for a 16fpe .20 HW95 @ 50yds?

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