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    JohnMIA can be his new handle.

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    I'm borrowing Arzrover's Bushnell tac optics that he mentioned above. It's on the rifle I'm borrowing. For whatever reason I can't snap in the focus perfectly??, the turret marks don't line up with the line on the housing that well, and they are not distinct with a fair amount of lash. This scope definitely falls short of the Athlon Midas TAC! I don't know if it's Jap or Chi but this provides information that can be valuable, mainly that mid priced Chi can beat out Jap scopes.

    Plus I owned the 3-12×44 version of the Bushnell described above which had the same problems but a horrible eyebox.

    I also remember when the Athlon Cronus first came out. The turrets were a lot like these in the Bushnell. It took a year before Athlon "basically yelled" at LOW to make them better. 

    No, No, NO, forget about the other scopes in this price range and get the Athlon Midas TAC, it's worth every penny! Why?? because there's always going to be a combo of disappointments with the other scopes. Lesser glass, mushy turrets, turret click lines that don't line up with the one on the housing, lash, poor tracking, funky reticle, take your pick, those other scopes are bound to exhibit at least a few if not more!  

    Though I have to say that the reticle in the Vector 5-30×56 has the best of all including the Midas TAC, though of course I'm biased with all .2 mil tree reticles. Whoever designed this knew what they were doing. 

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    Good times Mark and great report as usual! Thanks for taking care of all the stuff you are so good at. 

    Sorry I threw the empty pop can at you but I think those watching appreciated the humor involved after you so seriously told us to pick up our trash earlier. 😁

    I didn't get a chance to congratulate you Cole so congrats to you buddy! 

     

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    In FT a heavyish rifle 17 caliber in the 19-ish fpe area is common, as well as a decent scope that tracks well and has a good holdover reticle. 

    Past that it's having your dope down perfectly. 

    Centercut shot his first official FT match with our club here in AZ and did very well using with the above recipe. 

    Thanks Steve for showing me the ropes at the match Saturday. My gun is fairly light but shoulders and holds well in the Hunter FT position with bucket and sticks. It’s an older FX Crown .177 shooting JSB RD Monsters at 820 FPS. I missed 14 out of 60 shots, and realize that all the misses but one were me, and none attributable to the rifle. One miss was a ranging error. I did miss 5 or 6 shots because I held off more for wind that I needed to.  The RD Monsters, in addition to being more accurate than the H&N 10.65s I had been practicing with until a month ago, move about half as much in the wind. I did learn a lot from Steve watching him hit 56/60. I think the highlight of the match were our 13 and 15 lanes, which were off hand and kneeling. Both Steve and I went 3/4 and 4/4 on those two lanes. 
    As far as FT goes, I have two words for it:

    I’M IN!  ;)

    Always welcome Mike!

    We all enjoyed your company and look forward to hanging out with you in the future.

    Good shooting BTW!  

    BTW fantastic card on that 75Y EBR/244! It's gonna be a while before I can achieve that level in benchrest so I have lot's to glean from you. 

     

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    I would never compare my abilities to Centercut. He is a far more advanced and experienced shooter than I will likely ever be.

    I'm not sure I get the idea of using a heavyish rifle. Wouldn't that just create more muscle fatigue over the course?

    Sure if all of FT was offhand shooting but it's not. 

    A little extra weight helps dampen movement. At the same time if that extra weight is balanced in a way that's pleasant to a particular shooter it can still be a benefit in offhand as long as it's not too heavy for that individual.

    Even so, one can still do okay with a heavy rifle that isn't balanced well for offhand. For example my full sized and heavy USFT is pretty bad feeling for me in offhand but I make it work with higher than average scores. For taller guys than I the full sized USFT is fine in offhand.The other side of the coin is it's one of the more steady rifles in sitting position which is the most prominent position in FT.

    Taking this to an extreme – I have a friend that built a 27 pound tactical rifle for PRS and NRL. He's 6.2 and is a strong guy. Man you wouldn't believe how that rifle will sit in a WeiBad Fortune Cookie bag sitting on a barricade! Literally hitting a 3" steel at 300Y is easy! And he's big enough to shoot a stage once in a while off hand and do okay. But again, in PRS and NRL shooting off of obstacles is most of their game so the extra weight helps make for higher scores.

    Centercut is no doubt a good shot but besides his passion for shooting he's a guy that practices. He mentioned to me that he started practicing for FT in his back yard at 14Y shooting at small dots on a piece of paper. Then got his dope down later on and as he says "stepped into the arena".

    I think most of us shoot purely for the fun of it. So go have fun and learn as you go. As long as you've had fun you've accomplished a lot! 

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    30 yards is where most people zero their rifles.

    You should be within 1 click from 25Y to 35Y and all the rest of the distances whether closer or farther will be holding over or dial up which is less confusing than holding under or dialing below zero. 

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    In FT a heavyish rifle 17 caliber in the 19-ish fpe area is common, as well as a decent scope that tracks well and has a good holdover reticle. 

    Past that it's having your dope down perfectly. 

    Centercut shot his first official FT match with our club here in AZ and did very well using with the above recipe. 

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    There is no way in the world that there would be a .6 mil shift let alone a 1 mil shift from 26 to 37C, I don't care what chairgun states. I've been shooting FT for 23 years and if there is a shift that large, well, ouch!

    You definitely have a problem, what I don't know for sure.

    I'll tell you this – Impacts do have POI shifts. Rubber orings holding a flimsy liner centered in a tube and then fastened by one rear grub screw is, well, silly IMO.

    Then compare that to my USFT which has a barrel clamped into 1.5"?? of machined aluminum using two huge bolts. 

     

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    As far as the trigger goes I really liked my Pardini 162E. I had it adjusted down to 1oz for the fun of it, then I set it at 2oz which made for some fine pistol shooting.

    As far as fun goes I agree with Odoyle, I've loved my old Steyr LP5 since the first time I shot it. 

    The LP5 is almost as accurate(22 caliber ragged hole at 10M) which is great since it's a semi auto.

    You mean Morini 162E right :)? I can imagine 10oz would feel just like hair smooth. I modified my beeman p17 to ~20oz and I don't even feel the trigger.

    Yes of course. 

    The old brain not quite up to snuff that early in the AM.

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    Something might be wrong with the gun too. Or maybe a combination of the scopes and the gun??? Because with a 30Y zero you should only have .1 mil drop to 37Y.  

    I've shot from mid 30 degrees F to 100+ degrees F without any shifting, or I should say not enough shifting during a FT match to miss a target. Scopes included S&B 5-25, leupold 40x fixed, B&L 8-32 ,and Athlon Argos BTR 6-24. Average temps were 50's to 90's though.

    I distinctly remember winning a match during a snowstorm and winning another one when it was so hot I almost quit and left!  

     

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    As far as the trigger goes I really liked my Pardini 162E. I had it adjusted down to 1oz for the fun of it, then I set it at 2oz which made for some fine pistol shooting.

    As far as fun goes I agree with Odoyle, I've loved my old Steyr LP5 since the first time I shot it. 

    The LP5 is almost as accurate(22 caliber ragged hole at 10M) which is great since it's a semi auto.

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    That's just AMAZING shooting you did there, Mike N!

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    The 34x is struggling a bit at highest magnification. Very usable but hey it's not an expensive scope. It doesn't focus down to 10Y on high magnification if that's a concern. 

    Well it's the locking turrets that is the deciding factor in the Helos line. It's not needed really unless you are hunting and are worried that they might get turned by accident, or maybe in a drag bag too, which happened to me before, though with a S&B.

    Otherwise go for the Argos BTR to save some $.

    But you might be disappointed if comparing to the Midas TAC which is class leading.

    Only the Vortex Strike eagle, which doesn't have the best glass around, or the Meopta tactical scopes that compete with the mentioned scopes are IMO eligible.   

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    Well congrats to Mark!

    It's even more fun when someone borrows his friends equipment (all it of it), shoots with his friend in the FT match, and outscores his friend as well as winning the match 😋

    Especially when said friend had been taunting me for months to try HFT again, lol. Nope I still don't prefer it. But he does have some awesome equipment, about $7000 worth.

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    I wish I had seen these before I I bought my Althlon Conus for $2,000.  the Althlon is a nice scope,but definitely not worth $1,800 more.

    Man, you paid waaaaay to much money for that Cronus! Street price here in the states is $1500 give or take a few. 

    But C'mon man, like I keep sayin, glass isn't everything and mentioning those two scopes are even close to being in the same league is – I don't even want to say it??? 

    The Cronus is one of the most popular scopes in NRL and PRS matches for a reason, and that reason is that they aren't that far off the expensive scopes in performance. Here's a personal example. Look up 'Zero Compromise Optics'/ZCO, that actually is the #1 scope in those type of matches regardless of price, it's $3600. My good friend bought one, and two years before that he bought the Cronus BTR. Well he had to send the ZCO back for warranty work twice and has commented 3-4 times to me that he's been delighted with his super reliable Cronus BTR! The ZCO has slightly better glass but the difference isn't huge. 

    That same Cronus lives on his $3000 Vudoo 22rf tactical rifle which he keeps winning our Gunsite NRL22 matches with the last 3 months in a row.

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    The versatility of a variable power scope was/is much more beneficial that any extra clarity I got from fixed power scopes. 

    That BSA 4-14×44 was my go-to cheap scope for 2-3 years until Athlon came out, I think I've had 4 of them. Unless they've changed they have very blah glass, but for the price you can buy them for now they are a good alternative for "what they are".

    Being in the position of "caught between a rock and a hard place" and "no matter which direction I looked I couldn't find a solution" when it comes to scope choices, features combined, etc, I inevitably either bought a "STOP GAP" scope, or I just bit the bullet and spent the extra money for a better scope. If you buy a used scope with a good warranty(this is your STOP GAP scope) you can use it for a year or so and sell it for about what you paid for it, then with the money you've saved you can get the next step up in quality. This is the way I've gotten into what I considered the best scope money could buy at the time. 

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    It's pretty amazing that Ben took on this project, worked his ass off, and now we have a very cool new type of powerful airgun competition to enjoy here in AZ! 

    Thanks to Ben and also Robert/AOA for allowing this all to be possible! 

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    Yep, those good ole USFT's!!! I have a long version and my wife has the carbine version. 

    I don't think a more solid and dependable PCP was ever created than the unregulated USFT. 

    Problems, what problems??? it hasn't happened in our rifles. POI shifts, what's that??? 

    IIRC I've won 5 AZ state titles in open FT class and 4 in Freestyle division.

    That was fun last month when Franklink and I shot perfect scores with ours! 

     Thanks LD and Tim!!! 

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    Can you get Meopta scopes? I hear the 6 series has nice glass and these are good quality scopes. The 5.5-30×56 would be my choice but I don't know how much they are in your area.

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