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    That is a Benjamin Discovery mate, in a bit nicer gun stock.

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    Best budget air rifle one can buy mate!

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    I used to have a Gunpower SS which is your Condor and the only flexing I have seen were the targets at 300 yards :)



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    Yes, that is how it can be done on Daystates to adjust the hammer stroke. On the Wolverine there is a larger cutout in the action so the hammer is more visible and it is easier to operate that little grub screw. I prefer to take out the hammer mate, because I was never able to turn that screw in with allen key from the end cap side of the gun like they suggest and show in the videos.

    Of course the best way to increase power is to widen the transfer port = the inner diameter of the barrel bore. But that does take skill and special tools to work on the Wolverine outside factory settings. If say one would make a 6.25mm in diameter transfer port in the receiver and the barrel, you can bump this air rifle to perhaps 100fpe easily in .25 cal. Which would make it a very interesting air rifle. That mono-block receiver can handle massive amount of energy. They could do it over at Daystate easy if they really wanted to. In some countries however that kind of power in .25 caliber can make this gun illegal, so I guess they just leave it at 50fpe to sell at broader markets. Your American market could request for such guns to be build for export. These Wolverines are capable of a lot more power than they put them out at currently (IMHO) If they want to run them at 50-60fpe then best to put regulators in these to get the best shot to shot consistency. If they want to build true powerhouse hunting rigs then transfer ports is the ticket, something what the Koreans do on their cheap made Sam Yang rifles.

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    Leave them mates. These Tipan dealers sure are crazy bunch of people based on what they write on their forum. Facts got exposed about this bullpup, lets move on to other guns worth talking about.

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    Ed, is an air rifle master no doubt.

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    Turboken77, I am beginning to think that these threads became infested with Taipan dealers mate posting as actual owners. They are really going after Sniperqty over on that over forum.

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    Nutcracker, these are some good numbers you are posting mate, 883 891 885 893 894 897 901 903 904 911
    907 907 908 908 909 907 903 905 903 900 905 899 896 896 892 893 887 889 885 880 883 Perhaps they did something new with the hammer design in their latest builds. I have not visited the Daystate forum in ages to see if they have done any upgrades, which they do all the time I am told. I know they have changed the hammer style on the Huntsman Regal to lighten it, perhaps these Wolverines have that new design. But your air rifle looks stunning mate! A real looker :)

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    Roy mate, is the .25 Wolverine as US purchased rifle, eh? The reason I ask is because FAC guns sold here in Europe (some guns) shoot slower then the ones build for US market. I am basing my opinion here based on shot strings I’ve seen posted on EU forums on some unregulated guns.

    Based on your shot string mate, you are getting about 50fpe. Which I think is what they rate these .25 FAC Wolverines at. But Nutckacker’s velocity looks a bit better. So mate…. if you are up for it, there is a way to bump up the power on them slightly. All you have to do is take off the gun stock, underneath the mono-block receiver, in front of the trigger guard there is a cutout in the action, that gives you access to the hammer/striker. It’s travel on Daystate guns can be adjusted. If you see the little pin screw that strikes the valve open sticking out from the hammer, it needs to be screwed in all the way, so it is flush with the hammer surface that will strike the valve open. That is how you increase hammer stoke travel. Greater hammer force = deeper valve opening = more air going into the transfer port = faster velocity. In order to adjust that pin, there is a little grub screw holding securely that pin in. That grub screw must be loosened gently, so you can screw in that hammer pin all the way in.

    If that is hard for you to do inside the gun. You can loosen and take off the end cap on the back of the receiver, take the hammer spring out depress the trigger, and pull out the hammer, and do what I wrote above to adjust the hammer pin. Then reassemble all in reverse, press the trigger, put the hammer in, put the hammer spring back in, put the end cap back, cock the gun make sure it is working, and fire few rounds over the chronograph. If the velocity got better, give yourself an A+.

    I think on the Wolverines sold now these adjustments can be made without partial disassembly of the receiver. I am not sure, but do ask on the daystate UK forum. In general speaking the Wolverine is an Air Ranger assembled on a one piece mono-block. Which makes it a better air rifle. And If you want to be fancy and like to tinker more mate, you can play around with different hammer springs wire thicknesses for example, local hardware stores should have these type of springs for cheap. The same thing you can do with the valve springs, if you want to go deep into it. If you are interested I can describe the process mate. On some guns valve springs are too weak and with heavy hammers like on the Gunpower Stealth and Air Ranger for that matter, it causes poor shot to shot consistency, guns waste air and have poor shot curves. In this department unregulated daystates could have been better tuned out from the factory. FX air rifles are better in this department. But build quality wise Daystates are the best. Wolverine for sure would benefit from the regulator, BUT if you know what you are doing, balancing out an unregulated air rifle hammer stroke length, hammer spring and valve spring can get you results very close to a regulated gun. And some regulated air rifles mate, a crappy out of the box also. So it is not that simple, then just heaving a regulator in the air rifle as some dealers will tell you.

    p.s. Zx mate, I would rather take a great quality build like a tank air rifle like the Wolverine, and tune it up, rather then a cheap made gun that was well tuned.

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    Amazing! This gun gets better and better.

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    The more I look at close up shots of these rifles. The more I find similarity with P12 SPA production quality. I am almost sure of that lads parts are made in China also not just barrels, and we are not told the truth about where these are actually made. Even the cap head screws match on Taipan and Matador copy http://postimg.org/image/t4zcq7jft/full/






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    They may even come without regulators, eh? Might as well label these air rifles as made in CHUEUSA (China/Ukraine/EU/USА) right from the start.

    You said it best mate, no one actually speaking about the end consumers that were sold inferior products. Instead, all we read about from these Taipan promoters is a constant attempt to cover up the true story.

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    MOD EDIT: that type of content is not welcome here.

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    You are doing an incredible job telling us about these unique and very interesting air rifles.

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    John, You can’t compare Chinese and Korean quality with that of 100% made in the UK. Visit the Air Arms factory and you will understand. I am sorry I disagree.

    People don’t mind paying 2000 for their air guns, what they do mind is when the promised quality expected at this price range is not there.

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    So back to the question at hand…why attack the Mutant? The price. I held the opinion that Steve from WWAG over priced the Mutant. I think he priced the Mutant at 1450 for several reasons. He wanted a dealer network, and he may have felt the need to protect the Cricket. I also knew that eventually someone would begin to sell Mutants for cheap. Let’s face it, labor cost are pretty low in the Ukraine.

    Looks to me like these young lads have rang your bell pretty well on the airgun quality facts talk and business ethics eh? I have stopped browsing the Talon forum all together due to the foul language, name calling and insults of people they disagree with. And If I remember reading correctly one member there was threatened by a dealer for speaking out that he was disappointed with his Mutant.

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    It is being reported that those Taiwan barrels were labeled and engraved as made in Germany. People have reported that some of these Mutant air rifles come with engravings as made in Russia, USA, EU and so forth. All of which came out to be true. Sniperqty reviews of this gun have revealed major production quality control issues. His opinion is trusted and very respected. Something was mentioned about Sorang manufacturing not only on this forum but on the Dutch forum as well. Prices on these guns have started to come down significantly. I think there is a problem with these air rifles mate.

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    Mate, your informative video reviews have caused dealers around the world to lower prices on these guns. Air gunners really thank you. Always a pleasure to see an honest gun dealer that tells it like it is. You have helped me to make a decision on buying a Wildcat. I know you like the Vulcan :), but I saw something unique in the Wildcat that will totally make me happy. 2 Pressure gauges in front and behind the regulator, and that smooth side lever action and the lowest overall weight of all the bullpups you have reviewed.
    All-though something inside wants me to buy a Galahad also just because I love Air Arms air rifles, but if I do buy 2 air rifles in one year my wife will literally kill me. No joking, she really gets mad even If I start discussing a potential air rifle purchase.

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    The all black version of this air rifle is a lovely looking gun. I wish they would take off the stock so we can get a better idea on the air rifle. I think sales of this gun will depend on the selling price. If this will be offered for more then the Wildcat I don’t see it selling. It’s estimated retail price in the UK is £1,000 or $1425 US dollars, which is a bit more then the Wildcat and considerably higher then the S410/510 rifle offering.

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    I am seeing price reduction in Europe on these as well mate. Significant price drop indeed, eh? These new air rifle manufacturers are a bit unrealistic with their starting price policy. I wonder what will happen to those mates that have paid 1500 euro/dollars for these. Will these people get a partial refund from dealers or the manufacturer?

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