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    Nice, I will check it out and enter later on!

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    I've noticed a few items at my local WalMart marked down or on "clearance," such as the Crosman 357 CO2 bb/pellet pistol, but Walmart's "clearance" price was still more expensive than what Crosman was asking a few weeks ago on their own website. All of the other airgun-related stuff seemed normal as usual (for Walmart anyway). The centerfire pistol ammo and .223/5.556/7.62 stuff has all been sold out for a while now.

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    I'm pretty sure the flip up covers come with it. They did with my 18 and 32 power scopes.

    Nah, there was that bikini type rubber cover only. not very field friendly for me

    Just out of curiosity, where did you order your scope from? All of the Discovery scopes I have bought came in a box with Butler Creek style slip-up caps in the box with the scope, although it has been a while now since I purchased a new one.

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    That is a nice, solid-looking bench!

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    This couple runs the "Hydraulic Press Channel," and also sub-channels including "Beyond the Press." Their bread and butter is crushing things (lots of things) with a 100-ton press.

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    I'm pretty sure that someone just set the record and was using a 1/4-mile of holdover.

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    I can't see loose lead pellets hurting a gun anymore than people shooting light PBA pellets through them.

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    Picked up a Japanese-made Powerline 465 from Walmart for $20. It shoots lights-out at cans and paper, and each CO2 cartridge lasts about 100 shots. Cheap and quick trigger time.

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    ranedouglas

    ….centerpoints arent that bad to me….probably better than the leapers i have had…..and those np2 guns are made in here in america….   except for the trigger , which can be remedied with a $12-15 trigger tune kit from ebay , these are pretty good guns with good american barrels……compareable to an r1 / hw80 , in my opinion as far as power and shootability …..  but the german wood stocked guns have much more invested into them , while most american guns are plastic…..    but i like my jim shockey and my eva shockey that i converted with a .20 lw barrel , and also fitted a barrel for a .25 trail xl  for easy swap-out….   and you'll always be able to get parts cheap !!    crosman customer service is the best.   – paul.   

    I agree, Crosman does have great customer service. Also, with an investment of $1 per rifle and an hour or so of patience, the CBT trigger can be modified to be very smooth. The trigger spring replacement for it is #9700 1/4-Inch x 1/2-Inch x .035-Inch spring. There is an older thread on this forum on how to modify the trigger to smooth it out greatly between stages with a little bit of elbow grease and patience with modification.

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    smithfan4152

    As mentioned I have mounted another scope, which took less windage it was off 1/2 inch, same distance to the left, where as the centerpoint scope was off nearly 3 inches. I don't see how laser welding the scope rail on the barrel is any cheaper than a drilled and tapped mount, or just an 11 mm rail machined in.  Either way I have it working good, 

    You never specified which Benjamin Summit you have. They all have the same stocks, but there are 6 different variations of the Summit. 2 of them have machined dovetails from the factory, and 4 of them have laser-welded picattiny rails on top. Laser welding in mass production can cost less than drilling and tapping (minus the rail itself).

    Glad to hear things worked out for you.

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    Hi again,

    This was a brand new rifle, new scope, and first shots were off 3 inches to the right. So I didn't think the scope was destroyed in the very first shot, also when I adjusted the windage, it repeated for the 20-30 next shot's, and would probably still be holding it's new zero. As mentioned I now have a bug buster on it, and I know it will hold up better. I just feel they screwed up at the factory installing the gut's that the scope would be that far off center of it's own tube, and mounting hardware. I did prove it was not the hardware just the cheaply mfg, scope. 

    I own a couple of the Benjamin Summits, one in .22 and one in .177. I currently have no complaints about the .22. However the recent .177 I purchased I noticed that the picatinny rail is laser-welded on the receiver slightly offset to the barrel bore when holding the rifle with zero cant. It was not drastic enough for my scope to overcome it, but it was noticeable to my eye before I mounted a scope on it.

    And yes, I also have a box in my closet full of CenterPoint 4×32 scopes that came with the different Crosman/Benjamin air rifles I have purchased. I never mounted any of them. Even the 3-9×40 CP that came with the .177 has never been mounted. They just seem too light, flimsy, below-par glass, and I have seen some really bad reviews and results from people trying them out on springers. The scopes that come packaged with these air rifles just seem bottom-of-the-barrel. I am not saying that all CenterPoint scopes are bad, but the packaged/combo ones are about as cheap as it gets. I would definitely suggest trying out a better optic (which shouldn't be hard to do).

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    P_Bachman

    I tried searching crossman.com.  Nope.

    crosman.com?  Certainly.  My point- when providing a domain name with the "dot com" part, be sure to spell it right as otherwise it could redirect someplace nasty.  I know this is just a senatics-type thing, but as soon as you add the .com part, some browsers like to "help' you get there.

    "Semantics."

    You're welcome.

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    Most of the BIG sales are over, but a few of them are still going, for example:

    The deep-discounted stuff ran this past week through January 1. If any of what is currently left as of January 2 is on sale and of your interest I suggest you move on it before it goes back up.

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    elh0102

    Oldspook, your post mentions something I have not considered,  and it's concerning. If we, as a group of airgun enthusiasts promote airguns to be developed into the realm of high power center fire rifles, we will have done the community a huge disservice. I can see the anti-gun folks firing up the legislation that could effectively end the kind of easy purchase and shipping we now enjoy. And also the practical safety and noise concerns that could be raised, and with good cause. As a retiree, one of my great pastimes is shooting my airguns in the backyard, and I am in town with  close neighbors. I would like to see less aggressive plans for more power, and continued appreciation for airguns as quiet, close range instruments of precision accuracy. All it would take is the wrong thing whispered in the wrong ear in Washington to create regulation nightmare. 

    I find oldspook's timing and reply here to be spot-on, but it is not the first time that such an opinion has been voiced here. I do not see airguns reaching centerfire levels before they eventually get attention from the crooks (politicians). Several countries already have metered regulations of airguns when compared to the U.S…. you don't have to look any further than Canada to see a start of it.

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    Appreciate the ideas but I was more interested in gyroscopic stability than matching powder burning velocities with air. The transonic instability just means that any progress in this area will have to jump to over 1200 fps at the target. Once we can get a projectile moving that fast at range, we would have the option of using similar shaped bullets.

    I know any real progress would cause complication, but my idea was to create a metered and regulated chamber that could be compressed using hydraulic multiplication to greatly raise the PSI of each shot. This should be enough power, but we will let the manufactures figure that out. Whatever comes next, it's going to be moving faster than what we can do today.

     

     

    That's one of the more realistic responses I have seen. Using hydraulics and boosters, you CAN compress air well over 20,000 psi or more, however you would also need some seriously badass seals to hold the air pressure back beyond whatever you were using as a piston within a cylinder/tank. Similar consideration would have to be made for regulation and dispensing air for shots.

    The other problem as I mentioned before would also be thermal issues. During compression, considerable heat would be generated with the air. During firing, agressive cooling would be taking place in very short intervals, and a mild study in physics and thermal dynamics might be of use to consider ways to negotiate and overcome these issues.

    But, the hydraulic idea is still interesting. You probably would not achieve firearm levels of performance, but it could certainly be done above what is usually handled with 3000/4500-lb tanks.

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    I can go straight out my front door and shoot airguns all day long. Unfortunately I cannot do the same with my forearms, as I have a couple of close neighbors. One of them claims they would not mind, but the other one is a little bit unhinged and I would not want to give him a reason to complain about it.

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    1. Some people are drinking and will fire up in the air while celebrating. What goes up must come down.

    2. Check your local laws. Some places have loose restrictions, others not so much. Where I live, it is illegal to discharge a firearm for recreational or hunting purposes within 200 feet of a neighbor's residence without a laundry list of concessions that would be to vague to check every box with.

    3. Stay safe and Happy New Year.

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    Wow, sorry to hear that. I feel its a matter of time before it happens to us all.

    Why is that? Old age is the only reason I see stopping for myself. One door closes another opens. There are always going to be pests that need to be eliminated. Just need to find out where.

    Why is that? Because society is changing, and gun rights are always on the defense these days. Airguns are the next frontier for people who take issue with thinks they go "pop." It's sad.

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    Guns don’t have rights. People have rights. There is no such thing as “gun rights”. Because it’s more palatable for 2nd Amendment hating politicians and mass media to say your taking away gun rights, as opposed to “peoples/citizens rights”. Vigilance and the exercise of rights is the key. Also teaching the next generation like many here on AGN do.

    Semantics aside, we were both still speaking of the same things. I was not insinuating that random objects have rights. People have rights that were not given to them by politicians. TomAto/Tom"ah"to.

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    MikeinWV

    Just a wacky thought….what about flammable compressed gas with combustion behind the pellet/projectile?  Electronic firing via some sort of igniter.  I suspect that even if these sort of pipe dreams were possible there would be limiting factors of diminished returns ie..pressure deforming the tail of the projectile or high pressure and velocity disintegration of projectile.

    That's a murky "grey" area in terms of legality. Airguns can be "dieseled" when the user accidentally uses a flammable lubricant or solvent to clean the barrel, and forgets to remove much of it before firing it. This causes it to detonate under pressure on the first few shots and can give the pellet several hundred FPS more from the barrel, although accuracy usually suffers quite a bit as the pellet moves supersonic and slows down through the trans-sonic range.

    If a manufacturer offered what you are describing as an INTENDED option, the ATF would call it a firearm and shut it down. They have done so before several decades ago (I forget which model of airgun it was).

    If it was simply dieseling by the user and still used for "recreational" purposes, I don't see the ATF considering it as a firearm if you were shooting at paper or some other static targets. For instance, "spud guns" fired with propellant and generally considered legal on a federal level, but I am sure there are some local municipalities in this country that ban them like anything else. But if you had INTENT to use the air rifle in that manner and it caused harm to someone else, you may find yourself in quite the legal predicament, even if you are the first guy to ever fall under that axe. There's also a multitude of other practical reasons why many air rifles would eventually suffer from shooting them in this regard.

    I wouldn't do it on purpose and I would not recommend it here or anywhere else. Different forums may be more suited to discuss a concept like that with other firearms.

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    str1pes

    So what did you finally end up as your go to pellet for the f4?  I just grabbed one from wally world and I'm going to order some pellets.  Thx!

    I bought a F4 over a year ago like the OP did. Once "broken-in," I found that H&N FTT's  at 4.52mm sizing and also JSB heavies shot excellent through it. Mileage may vary depending on how your barrel is in yours. After 500 shots, the lockup on the barrel went to crap quickly and needed some TLC.

    I have NPE/NP2's in .177 and .22, and the .22 is great, and far-less "pellet picky." The thing I like about the NP2's is that the build of the rifles is more solid, but the added velocity in .177 forces the use of slightly heavier pellets to keep velocities under the trans-sonic range to keep decent accuracy.

    My .22 is a real shooter… but also keep in mind that I modified the trigger with a lighter spring, stoned the sear to a nice polish, put a new viton oring in the barrel breach face OTB, removed the screws and used blue Loctite all-around during re-assembly, went with different scope rings and better scopes, etc. I am doing the same with the .177 NP2 this week.

    They are not perfect out of the box, but with some extra time, elbow-grease, and dedication (and money), they can be good shooters. If you hit their sales up on Crosman's website before January 1, you can pick up something even better and cheaper than the F4.

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