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    Looks good. 

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    blkbagger

    I ordered a 6-24X50 Airmax Compact from PA on Monday, paid extra to get it in two days, they sent me a used one, BOO HISS Pyramid Air…!!!  I initiated an RMA within a half hour, ten minutes later I called Hawke and explained situation, that was Wednesday… Yesterday I opened my front door and almost tripped over the new Hawke scope sitting at my door… Beat that customer service…!!! And I think its the perfect fit for my new Impact X (after I get some lower rings)…

    Hawke is A#1…  Ken

    https://vortexoptics.com/vip-warranty

    Ask Hawke if they are gonna replace your scope if an animal chews it into a couple pieces or if you run it over cause you left it on your trucks bed rail. Will hawke replace a scope thats been burned up in a fire? We already  know they wont replace anything if you are a second owner but they wont even come close to vortex's warranty even as the original buyer. I am glad some people have good experiences with Hawkes quality cause I dont want to see someone unhappy with gear. I didnt have that experience with hawke. I didnt buy the top of the line Hawke but the $500 I spent on the hawke scope was $100 less than I paid for my 3 viper pst gen1 and gen2's. That hawke isnt close to the same quality in my experience even tho they are almost the exact same price. Not bashing Hawke just talking my experience with two Hawkes and multiple vortex and other brands like leupold, bushnell and burris. I wont mention nightforce cause they dont have anything in the comparable price range but they are top notch scopes as well.

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    The diamondback tactical doesnt have as positive clicks as the viper hst or pst but they are still solid and give confidence. The diamondback tactical is very clear as well and should be in the top running for airgunners to check into if they want a more budget friendly option thats still solid and clear with 10 yard parallax. The viper pst gen2 would be the top choice if it fit the buyers budget and 25 yd parallax works for their type of shooting.

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    I am sure this scope will do what you want and if for some reason it has a problem you will get it taken care of fast with no questions. A quick note on the parallax. If you want a vortex that has more airgun friendly parallax distances in the future try the diamondback tactical or the Viper pst gen 2. The diamondback tactical is 10 yards and the pst gen2 is 25 yds. I have 4 vortex scopes 1 diamondback tactical, 1 viper pst gen1 and 2 viper pst gen2. I click adjust with them all and even to their maximum adjustment with no worries of consistency, damage or other issues. My experience has been very good.

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    Richieg

    I have a Hawke Airmax 6-24×50 and a 8-32×50. Decent glass, illuminated which is kinda neat. I DONT like the mill reticle  and MOA turrets..WHY ? Turrets are kinda mushy but seem to track ok. When I bought my first PCP's I bought these AIR RIFLE scopes… because they were supposed to be for air rifles, hence  the name AIR MAX. Decent warranty IF you send it in and THEY deem its a manufacturing defect and not abuse, like tightening the scope rings way to tight and you are the ORIGINAL purchaser of the scope. I also have MANY Vortex scopes or SWFA on my other  rifles. The glass on my 269$ Diamondback is better than my 500$ Hawke. Viper 6-24×50 is slightly more than the Hawke 8-32×50 but MUCH better glass with MOA reticle and MOA turrets that are crisp. Vortex also has the VIP LIFETIME warranty…. send it in and it will be fixed or replaced PERIOD…. no matter WHO owns the scope when it breaks. Hawke scope are decent scopes, but not in the same class IMO as a Vortex for some of the reasons I touched on. MY mentality on a good scope is buy once cry once. I had the Hawke 8-32×50 on my Redwolf, I replaced it with a Vortex Golden Eagle HD 15-60×52…a yes I cried when paying for it…but you talk about a sweet scope…

    Exactly how I feel about the two.

     

    Menttaliist

    Finally went for the vortex 4-16×44 and got it today. I'm planning to do a thread review as soon as I have time, thanks everyone for your imputs

    Good choice.

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    If the pellet fits the barrel correctly then a choke is worthless. The choked barrels from my understanding started to help deal with less than consistent pellet sizes. I have a BSA S10 that I cut down from 18" to 10". That barrel didnt have a choke when it was 18" but still shot extremely accurate and after cutting it to 10" and removing any chance of a tighter spot at the muzzle its still extremely accurate. 

    I would like to know what tricks crosman has come up with. Barrel making has been around a long time and I dont think crosman has learned anything to do that world record setting barrel manufacturers dont already know and use. With that said I hope crosman does make competitive barrels but I doubt the "new tricks".

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    Vortex. I had a couple hawkes and they were a waste of money. I currently have two vortex viper pst gen 2's, One vortex viper pst gen 1 and a diamond back tactical. I have used them all on my airguns except the viper pst gen 1. They are all better than any of the hawks I previously owned including the hawke sidewinder that cost me almost $500. The sidewinder was not clear at the edges of the glass at any magnification and once you got over 16x the whole image would lose clarity getting worse the closer you got to max magnification. The hawke had allot of aberrations in the field of view especially on bright days. The hawke turrets felt mushy and were hard to feel the clicks to the point I never clicked in adjustments for drop. I use click adjustments for drop on all my vortex scopes with no issue and they all have clear images all the way to the edge and at the max magnification for each model. 

    I have 2 Nightforce scopes on centerfire rifles as well as several top end Bushnell scopes.  I can afford quality scopes.  I have 3 Hawkes on air guns (2 Sidewinders).  They are very good scopes and I will probably purchase more of them.

    Im not sure why you quoted my post but I also used nightforce, bushnell and leupold. Not a chance I will ever drop $500 or more on a hawke. I get vortex at dealer cost so a viper pst gen2 is just a slight cost increase over a sidewinder and the sidewinder isnt close in performance. I understand allot of people dont have the luxury of getting a better scope at dealer cost. If you are a vet you can get leupold and vortex 40% off msrp. Im sure theres quite a few airgunners that could take advantage of that and get a much better scope. Im sure nightforce also has a vet discount. 

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    Vortex. I had a couple hawkes and they were a waste of money. I currently have two vortex viper pst gen 2's, One vortex viper pst gen 1 and a diamond back tactical. I have used them all on my airguns except the viper pst gen 1. They are all better than any of the hawks I previously owned including the hawke sidewinder that cost me almost $500. The sidewinder was not clear at the edges of the glass at any magnification and once you got over 16x the whole image would lose clarity getting worse the closer you got to max magnification. The hawke had allot of aberrations in the field of view especially on bright days. The hawke turrets felt mushy and were hard to feel the clicks to the point I never clicked in adjustments for drop. I use click adjustments for drop on all my vortex scopes with no issue and they all have clear images all the way to the edge and at the max magnification for each model. 

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    The whole " a longer barrel is more accurate" statement got started along time ago when a longer barrel was more accurate or a better way to say it is a longer barrel made it easier for the shooter to shoot more accurately. Along time ago it was true a longer barrel general could be shot more accurately because they used iron sights back then not scopes. The longer sight radius on the longer barrel makes it easier to have a good alignment and easier to consistently get that good alignment.

    Today with scopes and red dots you dont have the issues of trying to consistently line up iron sights. A longer barrel will not be more inherently accurate than a shorter one.

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    The synthetic stock BSA uses on the ultra se and scorpion se is a very good and solid stock. It feels like a quality firearm synthetic and does not sound hollow or feel unbalanced. It is very stiff even in the forearm with no flex. I got mine with the synthetic stock and it was a real surprise how solid it is.

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    I dont have the ultra se I have a scorpion se which is basically the same thing just a slightly longer air tube and barrel. The HUMA screw on regulator does not change the look of the rifle. The piece the regulator replaces is exactly the same size and color matches perfectly so you couldnt tell if my scorpion se has a regulator or not by looking at it. My scorpion se was really accurate even un regulated but after the reg it just sticks pellets into the same hole shot after shot for the whole string. Before the regulator the pellets would stack but it was a larger hole due to more velocity variation especially at the beginning and end of the bell curve. Unless you detune it slightly you should expect only a small increase in shot count. If you had it tuned to 25 fpe before the reg then tuned it to 15 fpe you would see a decent increase in shot count. I could be wrong on the shot count cause its been awhile since I regulated mine. Mine is .177 and I detuned it as soon as I regulated it from about 20 fpe to 15 fpe but I believe I went from 30 ish shots to 45 – 55 shots. Thats just a guess as I dont keep track anymore I just shoot and shoot until its ready for another fill.

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    Parallax is not the same as just focusing an object in the scope. Parallax is the relationship and alignment of your reticle and the focal plane of your target. Yes you can shoot accurately and consistently without adjusting parallax but it gets harder as you increase the power. If you dont correct parallax you have to keep your alignment of your eye to the center of the scope every shot. If you dont look directly thru the center of the scope it will cause the poi to shift. If you try shooting at 4x with parallax you will find it easier to maintain accuracy than say 16x. Try shooting a scope with parallax at 24x and 100 yds and see how well you can maintain accuracy. When you have parallax the target or object does not fall onto the same plane as the reticle. Since they are not on the same plane any movement off center of your eye will make the crosshairs appear to be lined up off target. If that happens you will shift the reticle back on target that amount thinking you moved the reticle on target. In reality you moved it off target.

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    outdoorman

    According to the Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks website, a Recreational Use License is required to hunt nongame species on state lands.

    That is correct but thats not a license or permit thats required for shooting non game animals. Thats an access license that allows you to enter private property. If you want to hike a trail on state land, hunt or smell flowers you have to buy that permit giving you access to state land because its private property not public property like national forest land. If you buy a fishing license or hunting license you dont need a recreational use license because the fee is included in the conservation license required to buy a fishing license or hunting license. So if you dont ever buy a conservation license to fish or hunt and you plan on using state land for anything including non hunting/ shooting activity you will have to buy that permit. I rarely use state land since theres way more national forest land but I am covered thru my conservation license so I am legally hunting/pesting contrary to pigeonmans belief that we dont buy licenses or need them for all shooting of animals. 

    My original statement still stands that you do not need a hunting license or permit to shoot non game animals in MT. The license for state land is for access and recreational use of state land not a license for hunting, fishing or shooting. 

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    Brian10956

    Won’t the pellets make holes in the bale also?

    Only if you are a bad shot and miss your target and hit  a bale. 

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    I dont have a preference. The way I look at it if my scopes going to lose zero or become damaged from being upside down in a padded hard sided case I dont want that scope. I am pretty sure when the scopes are shipped around in their original boxes with less padding they are not kept in the upright position and just tossed around while being loaded and unloaded. If you do position it scope up theres no guarantee that a handler at some point wont toss the case around upside down defeating your right side up theory. I run my airguns and firearms upside down in racks on my side by side all the time and never had any issue with scopes being damaged or losing zero. Like I already said if the scope is that fragile I dont want it cause its going to fail while being used.

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    dan_house

    Airgun vids filmed in Montana? Who? link?

     

    Was begining to think I was the only airgunner in the state…. (Ok, know that s not true, but the guys I do know of are couple hours drive away)

    Dan I think you already know im a MT airgunner as we have had a few conversations. Unfortunately MT is a big state and the few MT airgunners are spread out a bit and dont get many chances to shoot together. I am fairly busy in summertime with camping and other things so I dont get many chances to try and meet up with people. Our first grandson is 2 years old and as soon as he can learn to shoot airguns you can bet I will have him out shooting so that will be one more MT airgunner.

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    PigeonMan

    I'm a hunter so I always buy a hunting license to kill animal. I believe shooting any game animals or even pest required an hunting license. But most people you see on YouTube and on here shoot rabbit, pigeon, dove, birds, etc. I doubt they have hunting license. But they shooting on their farm and property. So they can kill any animal they want since no game warden is gonna come on private property. I know some people who shoot deer out of season and with no tag or license cause the deer enter their property.

    What you believe and what are facts are two different things. See my original post just above yours I quoted. MT does not require any kind of license, permit to shoot the listed species I have in that post and they can be shot 360 days a year in MT. I have no problem if someone posts a video and it clearly shows unlawful taking of game and people jump them and turn them in. I do have a problem with someone accusing law abiding hunters/pesters of taking game illegally even after being told the local laws. You are accusing many people including myself who lawfully take game of doing it illegally out of pure ignorance on your part.

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    Since you checked the laws for that state this really doesnt matter but in MT there are no small game seasons and you dont need a license to shoot most small game. MT lists just about all small game as varmints or non game and they do not have a season or bag limits. Rabbits, hares, tree squirrels, quail, red fox, coyote, skunk, badger, prairie dog, ground squirrels are all non game or varmints with no season or limits so they can be shot 360 days a year. I am betting many people who never hunted or lived in MT might see a video from MT and think allot of poaching was going on when in fact it was all legal hunting/pesting. This doesnt apply to your post since you did check into the laws for that state and I commend you for that cause many times the person may just assume it was illegally taken game due to their local laws. My post is just a reminder to the next reader to check laws before posting if they think someone is poaching because they may not be.

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    Mad-Trapper

    I'm open to pcp options.  I don't like the idea of needing a pump.  Or having to pump it up on short notice. I've taken chucks with my Gamos but short bow ranges, but they didn't just drop.

    If I got back into practice I'd just use my bow.  I don't have the time, used to shoot 100 arrows every day. Maybe I should. 

    At my Moms in mASS, you can't even have a cartridge gun handy if needed.  Has to be locked up …….or you get locked up

    I have a TC Renegade ML/BP I leave there, in 50 cal w/375gr hornday/80gr FFg, ready to go, just needs a cap.  Have had bear problems.

    Thats not a problem. If you just mainly hunt with it you will get over 20 shots on a single fill so just keep it topped off or close to it and you will never miss a shot due to low air. A smaller cylinder pcp that runs on lower air pressure like the discovery would be a huge leap forward for you over springers and be cheaper than a quality springer to boot. I think that would be a good choice for what youre needing.

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