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    “Cliff_Allen”If you upgrade the scope that comes on the Wolverine, the price of the gun goes up. I know because that’s what i did. My understanding is that the Royale line in .22 and .177 now come with the carbon fiber bottle.

    I read on some of the UK forums that the Daystate line was bought out a few years ago and that it was kept hush hush. Some were speculating that is the reason for recent QC issues with the latest models being put out. Cutting costs, etc. I don’t know that for sure, I’m just regurgitating what I read.

    
That would be a bonus with the bottle. I read your thread on the Wolverine. A little scary. That would drive me crazy. BTW I won’t hold it against you…… Even though your avatar is ISIS’s Mobile fighting/recreation vehicle. 

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    You guys are making think hard about the FX 400. The picture on AOA website looks like a carbon fiber bottle. Have any insight? The Daystate does have the free scope package that can be upgraded to a better scope. Which brings the price down.

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    “Cliff_Allen”I’m one of the guys that had some problems with the Daystate Wolverine recently. I’m also a long time owner of the FX Royale and I’m on my second one. I can tell you my experience with them but it’s hard to translate intangible’s over a forum, especially when different things will be important to different people. Also, after having both I greatly prefer the Royale over the Wolverine so my following sentiment is likely to sound really biased, but I like talking about the differences in guns I’ve owned so here it is none the less.  🙂

    Overall, what I like about the Royale platform:
    1) Consistency / accuracy. Accuracy in spades. Here is a video that I made recently of me shooting a 33 shot group at 51 yards with the Royale. (fair warning, video editing sucks lol) That’s JSB 25g picked straight from the tin. I can’t tell you how accurate the Wolverine is because both of mine had a problem out of the box that prevented me from being able to see what it’s capabilities were.

    2) Regulated, and regulated very well. Here is something to consider. They get about the same amount of shots. The thing is though that the Royale 400 does this with only a 400cc bottle, where the Wolverine has a 480cc bottle. The Royale is clearly more efficient and will use less air to accomplish the same thing.

    3) Regulated. Didn’t I already say that? Yes, but that was in regards to shot count. Now I’m referring to consistency. In .22, if you shoot a full string of 80 or 90 shots or whatever it is from both guns, your extreme spread will be much higher on the Wolverine. Even with the Harper valve system there will still be a larger bell curve to your shot string. If you shoot an entire string into one single group, you will notice your group will start to go higher on the paper as the bell curve increases with the Wolverine. Also, when the bell curve drops, so will your shots / POI.

    Here are pics of a full shot string from both guns. (Both these guns were in .25 by the way, not .22)

    To be fair, I’ve had my Royale adjusted so that it’s shooting at around 890fps so it might get a few less shots now.

    4) Noise. The Wolverine in .25 was noticeably louder than my .25 Royale. I don’t think this will matter as much for either gun if you’re sticking with a .22. I’m pretty sure they’re both fairly quiet in that caliber.

    5) Side lever cocking on the Royale is much much much smoother than the bolt on the Wolverine. I can’t stress this enough. I’ve had 2 AA S-510’s and the Royale is even smoother to cock than those. The best I can explain it is that when I’m shooting groups and want to maintain a consistent eye relief / line of sight through the scope, I have a much harder time with the Wolverine. I have to alter my position to “brace” the gun a bit so that I can pull the bolt back and then cycle it forward again.

    Build quality I would say is a draw. Each gun has exceptional machining and there are no rough edges to be found anywhere on either gun and both feel solid.

    I really enjoy the smooth twist barrel and the fact that I almost never have to clean it.

    The Wolverine is a “prettier” gun I think. It has very sexy lines and is visually very well laid out. The stock is gorgeous but for the cost of the gun one would think it would at least come with an adjustable butt pad.

    The Royale is less expensive right now with the recent price drop a few months ago. Granted, the Wolverine has a special going on where you get a hawke airmax scope with it, but it’s still $610 more than the Royale.

    The Royale weighs about a 1/2 pound less.

    I prefer the magazine system on the Royale better, but that may just be due to the fact I’ve been using it for a few years and I’m very comfortable with it. Also after thousands of rounds through the 3 mags I have, none have ever given me a single hiccup or glitch or misfire or anything.

    I like the trigger on the Royale. Not only do I prefer the way it feels, but it is much easier to adjust than the one on the Wolverine. For that matter, I’ve had my Royale completely apart, regulator out, etc and it is a very simple and easy gun to work on if the need ever arises.

    Did I say this was going to make me sound like I’m biased? lol.

    Anyway, there it is. I hope you enjoy whichever one you end up selecting. As slanted as my opinion is, they are both nice guns in their own right.

     

    
Thanks! This kind of review is what I was looking for. Have you heard anything about the 400 sport model that AOA sells? Just wondering if it is worth the extra price. I also think I prefer the side lever. Regulated is a plus also. Why did you try a Daystate? Just something different?

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    “ozone08”From what iv seen the last month or so id stay way clear of a Wolverine B and if those are your 2 options id go for the FX Royale but why not throw a MTC Air Wolf into the mix? it cost a bit more than them 2 but its worth every penny.

    
What is the difference? Just electronics?

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    You guys have opened my eyes to some other possibilities. Sure wish I could handle them first.

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    “Cliff_Allen”My advice, if you were asking for it would be to definitely get a regulated gun. I’ve been through a bunch of PCP’s the last few years, including the AA S510, buying selling and flipping. I just bought and tried my last unregulated gun, a Daystate Wolverine. Even as efficient as they say the valve system in it is, the POI on the target at 50 yards had a noticeable rise and fall as the power curve went up and then down again. I’m a paper puncher also and enjoy trying to be as precise as I can.

    If you were going to ask my opinion on a gun, after all the flipping, and trying different models, the two that have stayed with me are the FX Royale, and the BSA R-10. Aside from all the other subjective things that people will or will not like them for, the one most important factor for me is their accuracy / consistency.  Those two guns will put up some seriously impressive consistency. If I could have only one, it would be the Royale.

    I did a mini review of the BSA R-10 here
    https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/50-shots-with-the-bsa-r-10-mkii-22-pics-mini-review/

    And I also recently made a video of a 33 shot group at 50 yards with the FX Royale here.
    https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/finally-got-it-on-video-fx-royale-500-33-shot-group/

    
Thanks! I enjoyed the video.

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    How are the parts availability with different companies? Any to stay away from?

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    You guys have been most helpful and welcoming for that fact.  Really appreciate the responses. Some of these guns you have recommended are what I was pondering. I guess the consensus is to have a regulated gun. Since I was kid I took everything apart to see how it worked. playing with a regulator may be in my future. I did score a used Ninja adjustable high pressure regulator on ebay last night for $85.00. Not bad for the regular price of $370.00. Something to play with if I tether. Like I said my son loves math and lights up when I start to talk about ranging. We also love to camp. I know airguns have a bit more acceptance in some more I guess I would say populated areas. These PCP guns are very quiet.

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    I had about $250 worth of small different items in my cart and only a tin of pellets were discounted. I have found very little that was eligible.

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    I like to tinker and have the tools. I am just a little leery on cutting and grinding on a new gun. I am worried if I go overboard that I can’t get parts in a reasonable manner. Any videos on hammer and spring mods?

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    “AZBOBCAT”Targets….. set up some fun and challenging field targets, spinners, knockdown etc. I like regs on all my guns, I don’t enjoy paper targets as much help as steel or hunting. I like a challenge anyone can stack pellets off a bench and rest now try standing kneeling  sitting like in field target and it opens a whole new world of challenge.

    
We have a few metal targets. My Son defiantly prefers them over paper. I am having fun with just playing with pellets, windage, drop and using apps such as Strelok Pro for the moment.

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    “John_in_Ma”Were from? You might be surprised with how close some members here or on other aitrgun forums are to you.

    Eastern Washington State. I don’t see any clubs in the area.

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    “AirgunBill”I got a thought in that it is great you are involving your son in shooting. Maybe buy him a Benjamin Discovery PCP. Then he can have his own rifle that is smaller in scale and weight set-up for him in relationship to scope eye relief and ergonomics. Then maybe build another bench where you can have shooting competitions or just plinking which kids really enjoy. Also do you have any swinger targets or self setting style field targets to shoot. Just some ideas for fun for you and your son and developing good lessons of life and character that the shooting sports can do for kids. Bill

    
Funny you recommend the Discovery. The other day we were quizzing him in math and I said I would buy him a new gun if he could give me pi 3.14 to the tenth decimal in jest….. Well he did it to the fifteenth. He loves math! I just didn’t realize how much. Well I thought about getting the Discovery until I realized just how good a shot he was. Really surprising me to be honest. Please don’t take this wrong but….. I hate to move him down so to speak. Even though I would have been super happy with anything as a child. I know he would ask to shoot mine and his would gather dust. Maybe I’m wrong on that. He agreed to pitch in his money for a nicer one even if he had to save a year. Maybe showing some maturity. Also something he could save for life, like my most prized possessions from my Grandfather and father. This is why I wanted to get another equal of better gun than the AA S510.

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    I was in the market for the Shoebox and the new F10 was just released. So I bought it. Glad I waited a few extra weeks. I have used it once. It works darn good. Amazing little device. Where I work (natural gas plant) we have a N2 generator for unlimited nitrogen or -175ish dew point dry air. So I will always fill from there if I can.  I can’t compare against prior models though. Some are asking about the cooling. When I remove the cover to put some lithium on the rods the cylinders feel warm. I can leave my hand on them for about four seconds. I like the fact that it can be serviced so easily also.

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    That looks like you went above and beyond. Looks great so far. Any updates?

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