RAW moderator replacement?

[AncientSword]

Getting ready to order a RAW and I was wondering if any of you guys have replaced the stock moderator? The offset ones seem like they really don’t work too well. I know the newer ones are a little different. I saw that northern Airgunner added a ronin to the end of his, but I don’t want a monstrous tube on the front of my gun. I used an Emperor on the end of my Extreme Big Bore .308 for a couple of years and just got tired of a big extension on the barrel.

Thinking about power levels on a .22 or .25, something small like a tanto, koi, or tatsu should work ok. I don’t need it super quiet, just want to tame it some. I have a tatsu on my Impact .25 that is tuned at 80 FPE for slugs right now and it works fine.

What has worked out well for any of you guys that have made a switch?

 

[TMH]

Have you been watching this post from today?

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/raw-hm1000x-offset-moderator-removal/?view=all#post-958845

Seems like the custom ones from Neil Clague are da shiz.

 

[Odoyle]

The old Theoben Evolution with Vortex add on works extremely well for their size. Ask Martin if he can do one 4u.

Or AZ is THE BEST if you need it ABSOLUTELY MOUSEFART QUIET near silent but you out of your gun more than 6-12 months. 

Or contact Stoti for Neil Clagues version not silent like AZ but its way quicker.

Second thought not the best idea to go with an AZ version because its too damn quiet makes you think you dryfiring the gun with zero air in it making it extremely dangerous IMHO. Plus you always paranoid the gun broken all the time thinking its got no power due to lack of sound when shot.

 

[AncientSword]

Have you been watching this post from today?

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/raw-hm1000x-offset-moderator-removal/?view=all#post-958845

Seems like the custom ones from Neil Clague are da shiz.

No, I didn’t see it, thanks. 

 

[elh0102]

I don't know the OD of that barrel at the muzzle, but I expect one of the Donny slip-on adapters with standard 1/2 x 20 threads would work, then just choose the silencer of your choice.

 

[Ranchibi]

If you order one from Martin himself, he can make you a moderator of your choice too...titanium, baffled, carbon fiber, or aluminum. Or like Odoyle said Neil Clague.

 

[Airgun Advisor]

Now I haven’t tried other moderators on my RAW .25 but the offset one has been just fine. Don’t knock it till you try it for yourself. Might just surprise you.

 

[TMH]

Now I haven’t tried other moderators on my RAW .25 but the offset one has been just fine. Don’t knock it till you try it for yourself. Might just surprise you.

I will have to say that I don't have any sound issues in my back yard with mine (also the offset type on a .25). 

Looks kind of goofy but the gun is not overly loud IMHO.

 

[joelayfield]

i would see if you can order one with the carbon fiber sleeve ran all the way to the edge of the barrel then you can remove what you need to install a threaded slip on , and install the silencer you like

 

[Daviddmund]

AncientSword, The new RAW HM1000LRT dose not come with the offset moderator any more. The new design is just over 2 inch in diameter and 15 inch long. For the 22 cal I was able to check the sound level of both the old offset design and new pop can design moderator with a db meter phone app and found both had the same amount loudness. Here is picture showing the new moderator apart nest to the rifle.

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[bubblerboy64]

Moderator works too good? That’s a new one Odoyle but to each his own. AZ did one for me and it’s great. It does extend the length of the barrel and it’s a heavy bugger but it’s also the most accurate gun I own .

 

[Zeke]

AZ cut the barrel on my .22 and installed the moderator. I am glad I went to him his work is amazing and as bubblerboy said it is the most accurate air rifle I own too. 

Zeke 

 

[SpiralGroove]

Hey guys,

Keep in mind the reason RAW's are loud is because they waste a lot of air and are inefficient machines. In .25 caliber and lower a Spring Stop Guide (SSG) takes about 50% of the bark away - by itself. Then any garden variety moderator can be used. The side benefit, which is huge ... is that you get between 50% and 75% more shots per fill.

The only SSG downside, is your velocity adjustment range is only about a 30 fps from any chosen tune.

Hence, in my gun which is tuned for about 920 fps, the adjustment range is from 895/950 fps. If a velocity outside this range is desired, another SSG with more/less hammer strike is required. 

 

[TMH]

Hey guys,

Keep in mind the reason RAW's are loud is because they waste a lot of air and are inefficient machines. In .25 caliber and lower a Spring Stop Guide (SSG) takes about 50% of the bark away - by itself. Then any garden variety moderator can be used. The side benefit, which is huge ... is that you get between 50% and 75% more shots per fill.

The only SSG downside, is your velocity adjustment range is only about a 30 fps from any chosen tune.

Hence, in my gun which is tuned for about 920 fps, the adjustment range is from 895/950 fps. If a velocity outside this range is desired, another SSG with more/less hammer strike is required.

This is some excellent information for a relative newbie like me. Without any real information on SSGs, I am assuming that this is something which must be custom made, like by someone with access to a machine shop?

I know that one of the reasons I really like Daystates is that they seem to be tuned really well from the factory for efficient use of air, especially their electronically controlled models.

 

[joelayfield]

i dont think anybody understands why raw continues with these big moderators , if they would just have a threaded end of some sort , slip on with grub screws is fine , then we could choose our own moderator for our own needs , we could control the length and how loud we each would be ok with , i now have a huggett on mine, its very quiet , but what a ugly mess i still have to fix

 

[Odoyle]

Interesting fact AZ is indeed THE BEST tuner in the world which everyone who knows anything already knows however he doesn't use SSG or HDD devices in his RAW tunes at all or none of his tunes. He is into pure accuracy and quiet nothing else.

 

[SpiralGroove]

Interesting fact AZ is indeed THE BEST tuner in the world which everyone who knows anything already knows however he doesn't use SSG or HDD devices in his RAW tunes at all or none of his tunes. He is into pure accuracy and quiet nothing else.

Thanks Odoyle,

Sorry, but I don't know Who AZ is ... please fill me in?

 

[Fischer]

My TM 1000 sits in a corner 3 feet away right now! I sold a few HM 1000s just to make space here.

I've dealt with Martin over the phone regarding earlier single shot TM or HM types which I had a collection of in .177, .20, .22.

These are older models with the Silver TM-1000 .177 single shot 200 BAR thing and carbon barrel shroud to eliminate noise from firing a pellet around 905 fps.

This had been about 15 years ago?

 

[my87csx481]

Hey guys,

Keep in mind the reason RAW's are loud is because they waste a lot of air and are inefficient machines. In .25 caliber and lower a Spring Stop Guide (SSG) takes about 50% of the bark away - by itself. Then any garden variety moderator can be used. The side benefit, which is huge ... is that you get between 50% and 75% more shots per fill.

The only SSG downside, is your velocity adjustment range is only about a 30 fps from any chosen tune.

Hence, in my gun which is tuned for about 920 fps, the adjustment range is from 895/950 fps. If a velocity outside this range is desired, another SSG with more/less hammer strike is required.

Not trying to bash anyone. Please forgive my ignorance. Anyone know why this known issue has not been addressed? Seems like this has been an issue for a long time (again, from my ignorant perspective....don't even own a PCP yet....still trying to figure out the best bench gun for me).

 

[SpiralGroove]

Hey "My87",

I'm no expert either, just know the SSG was designed by Bob Sterne, who frequents the GTA and other airgun forums. He's also written for Hard Air Magazine. A well made SSG can bring great efficiency to airgun platforms that aren't.

The RAW's Achilles Heel is that's is loud because of wasted air and the manufacturer has had a tough time quieting down the gun.

There are likely other ways to tune the gun to increase efficiency (sounds like AZ has the answer).

Do some research on the SSG and see what you can find.

https://www.rapid7ownersclub.co.uk/forum/technical/research-and-development/316-spring-stop-guide-ssg