N/A The elusive airgun that AVERAGES 100 yard sub moa groups.

[Franklink]

Shot this a few hrs ago. Nearest weather station shows that winds were 3-5mph, mostly quartering in from about 11 o clock, but it was switching and going left at times too, per correlation between mirage and impact points.

Top left are the couple 20/18.9 (slug) sighters I shot prior to the groups. Top right and middle right are 25 shot groups with the slugs, 50 shots in a row. I was paying better attention to the mirage on the second 25 shot group with the slugs, the middle right one. That has 25 shots into 1.22moa, or 22 shots into 1.09 moa.

The bottom left is pellet sighters and bottom right is a 25 shot group with .20/15.89 pellets. I was curious about wind effect on them versus the slugs so just held dead center for all 25 shots. Wind was pushing the pellets pretty good, both to the left and to the right. The 25shot pellet group is probably 3.5inches across, with maybe 20 or so of them into about 1.75". The pellet group isn't anything amazing.

Pretty pleased with the slugs. 32fpe is relatively low power to be putting 25 consecutive shots into groups like that at 100 yards.

 

[tommyb]

These look pretty good to me Cole; especially for a .20 cal in moderate wind at 100Y with an 18g slug. Before reading through this thread, I never would have envisioned a 32 FPE air rifle shooting low weight pellets or slugs could manage these good groups at 100y. The two 25 shot slug groups are really tight. The vertical is pretty good also.

Looks like most of pellets were pushed left, with your dead center hold. Still, 20 pellets inside 1.75” with a 15.89!

It would be interesting to see a side by side 25-shot group comparison between the Thomas .22 cal /40g slug and the BRK .20 /18.9g at 100y. You may have posted this already.

 

[Franklink]

These look pretty good to me Cole; especially for a .20 cal in moderate wind at 100Y with an 18g slug. Before reading through this thread, I never would have envisioned a 32 FPE air rifle shooting low weight pellets or slugs could manage these good groups at 100y. The two 25 shot slug groups are really tight. The vertical is pretty good also.

Looks like most of pellets were pushed left, with your dead center hold. Still, 20 pellets inside 1.75” with a 15.89!

Here are some high shot count groups @ 100 from the low power .20 from May. This was one evening after dark so basically no wind, but there was a bit of thermal drift pushing the 19.5fpe pellet group to the right.

It would be interesting to see a side by side 25-shot group comparison between the Thomas .22 cal /40g slug and the BRK .20 /18.9g at 100y. You may have posted this already.

Mike shared a photo a few posts ago of 50 of his slugs @ 100.

Id be interested in seeing how tight of a 100 yard group Mike could shoot with this .20 slug rig. With his wind reading skills, I think groups shot by him from this barrel/slug combo would be borderline unbelievable.

 

[tommyb]

Here are some high shot count groups @ 100 from the low power .20 from May. This was one evening after dark so basically no wind, but there was a bit of thermal drift pushing the 19.5fpe pellet group to the right.

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Mike shared a photo a few posts ago of 50 of his slugs @ 100.

Id be interested in seeing how tight of a 100 yard group Mike could shoot with this .20 slug rig. With his wind reading skills, I think groups shot by him from this barrel/slug combo would be borderline unbelievable.

Pretty darn good with 15.89 .20 cal pellets.

 

[Jbrownfi]

As long as I’m not fighting bad winds I can get sub 1” groups with my .22 cal Panthera all the time. I’ve proved on my channel that I can get .5” 5 shot groups at 100y with my panthera untuned and slugs I’ve altered consistently as well. With the 4 test groups I did I had all 4 5shot groups under 1” and the test slug groups went .37”, .51”, .52” and .83”and I was effectively able to almost eliminate all the fliers which is what messed up the .83” group otherwise it would of been in the .5” range as well. Finding the right slug/ speed combo with your riflings make all the difference. There are some other things you can do to help your cause. But the faster you can achieve stability the better results you will see at the target. At least that’s my thought behind it.

 

[Franklink]

With the AirVenturi aquisition of NSA, these .20/18.9grain slugs have been on my mind lately.

Shot the magic beans today at some long rang paper, just having fun.

Thought I better stop at six shots on this group. Aim point was the not-very-precise "just off the tip of the nail that holds my pellet trap backer and target."

SIx under the tip of my thumb at 95 yards. lol, Every shooting session with these .20 slugs just makes me shake my head in disbelief at how dang good they shoot.

Sure hope they continue to be available. @pyramydair, hint hint.

 

[tommyb]

With the AirVenturi aquisition of NSA, these .20/18.9grain slugs have been on my mind lately.

Shot the magic beans today at some long rang paper, just having fun.

Thought I better stop at six shots on this group. Aim point was the not-very-precise "just off the tip of the nail that holds my pellet trap backer and target."
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SIx under the tip of my thumb at 95 yards. lol, Every shooting session with these .20 slugs just makes me shake my head in disbelief at how dang good they shoot.

Sure hope they continue to be available. @pyramydair, hint hint.

Hey Cole

Have not looked or posted in this thread for a long time.

It’s almost unimaginable for me to comprehend how good these 18.9g .20 caliber slugs shoot in your BRK Ghost. You really lucked out with that purchase and Bobby’s magic touch. He tested and fixed my DS Redwolf .22 HP, ( working for AoA) when I had some initial accuracy issues. He shot a 232 at 100Y with my rifle and returned it back to me. Lol - I was never able to shoot a 230 EBR when I had it. It’s the Indian not the arrow.

Great results with those slugs. Are you still shooting the 15.89 .20 pellets at 100?

 

[Franklink]

@tommyb, good to hear from you.

Bobby is a heck of a shot, and a wizard with all things airgun.

And yes, the slugs are unimaginably good. I've shot a while pile of them, and they STILL make me chuckle in pleased disbelief. It's wild, and at wild distances, to be able to pick a previous hole as an aim point and put another one right there.

Yep, still shooting the .20/15.89. Those were being shot right before these slugs. And they were actually the reason I got out the Ghost. I'd spent an hour plus shooting the .22/18.1s @ paper @ 95 yards and the wind was just bullying them around. I wanted to see what the same wind would do to the .20/15.89s, and of course the better-BC'd .20s weren't getting pushed around as much as the .22/18s. Then I started launching the .20 slugs and took another huge step up in wind resistance.

 

[tommyb]

@tommyb, good to hear from you.

Bobby is a heck of a shot, and a wizard with all things airgun.

And yes, the slugs are unimaginably good. I've shot a while pile of them, and they STILL make me chuckle in pleased disbelief. It's wild, and at wild distances, to be able to pick a previous hole as an aim point and put another one right there.

Yep, still shooting the .20/15.89. Those were being shot right before these slugs. And they were actually the reason I got out the Ghost. I'd spent an hour plus shooting the .22/18.1s @ paper @ 95 yards and the wind was just bullying them around. I wanted to see what the same wind would do to the .20/15.89s, and of course the better-BC'd .20s weren't getting pushed around as much as the .22/18s. Then I started launching the .20 slugs and took another huge step up in wind resistance.

Yeah, I can see that.

As good as the 15.89g .20 caliber pellets are at 100Y in the Ghost, your picture with the 18.9g slugs at 95y is impressive. It would have been interesting to see a side by side comparison of the 15.89g .20 pellets vs. the 18.9g slugs with 5 or more 5-shot EBR groups.

Although, I think I know how this story would end.

 

[cavedweller]

@tommyb, good to hear from you.

Bobby is a heck of a shot, and a wizard with all things airgun.

And yes, the slugs are unimaginably good. I've shot a while pile of them, and they STILL make me chuckle in pleased disbelief. It's wild, and at wild distances, to be able to pick a previous hole as an aim point and put another one right there.

Yep, still shooting the .20/15.89. Those were being shot right before these slugs. And they were actually the reason I got out the Ghost. I'd spent an hour plus shooting the .22/18.1s @ paper @ 95 yards and the wind was just bullying them around. I wanted to see what the same wind would do to the .20/15.89s, and of course the better-BC'd .20s weren't getting pushed around as much as the .22/18s. Then I started launching the .20 slugs and took another huge step up in wind resistance.

Cole, I’m determined to never shoot a slug in my life but yall are making it damn near impossible

 

[tommyb]

Cole, I’m determined to never shoot a slug in my life but yall are making it damn near impossible

Rudy,

I'm a big pellet guy myself, but in 2026 I am thinking about trying my first slug air gun. I hope this whim passes.

 

[Franklink]

Cole, I’m determined to never shoot a slug in my life but yall are making it damn near impossible

Slugs are the absolute opposite of pellets when it comes to plug and play.

Quality pellets will more often than not shoot pretty well from quality airguns. Quality slugs will more often than not shoot like $hit from quality airguns.

But that 1 in 40-50 combination of barrel and slug that shoots like this? Yes siree, pretty dang amazing.

 

[V5CVBB]

But that 1 in 40-50 combination of barrel and slug that shoots like this? Yes siree, pretty dang amazing.

Are slugs actually that difficult to get grouping well? I have no experience with slugs, but thought faster twist barrels were the answer.

Reading through this thread makes airgun accuracy seem often unimpressive. I'm still shooting a springer but wanting a PCP, expecting real accuracy. I was leaning towards a slug gun, but thinking pellets may just be an easier life choice.

 

[Franklink]

Are slugs actually that difficult to get grouping well? I have no experience with slugs, but thought faster twist barrels were the answer.

Reading through this thread makes airgun accuracy seem often unimpressive. I'm still shooting a springer but wanting a PCP, expecting real accuracy. I was leaning towards a slug gun, but thinking pellets may just be an easier life choice.

Trying to get a pellet gun to shoot light slugs is an exercise in frustration.

Supposedly the heavy-for-weight slugs that are shaped more like rimfire bullets have better success rates, accuracy-wise. I'm talking Altaros and Altaros-like slugs. But then you're paying 3-4x as much per trigger pull as we pay for quality pellets. With those heavy-for-weight slugs you're also at rimfire and rimfire-plus energy levels, which for me negates the whole basis for enjoying airguns.

If you end up wanting to chase slugs, to minimize your headaches, I'd recommend, straight outa the gate, to prioritize for a fairly high-powered airgun. Something that'll launch a 36+ grain .22 Altaros-type slug at least in the mid 850s, or a 48+ grain .25 to at least the same speeds.

And be fully aware that you no longer have a gun that can be enjoyed safely in a back yard or without 600+ yards of nothing downrange, cuz then you're at rimfire and above power levels....

MOA at 100 yards from an airgun, even the best slug flinger out there, is not as common as most would have us believe.

 

[cavedweller]

Shot this a few hrs ago. Nearest weather station shows that winds were 3-5mph, mostly quartering in from about 11 o clock, but it was switching and going left at times too, per correlation between mirage and impact points.

Top left are the couple 20/18.9 (slug) sighters I shot prior to the groups. Top right and middle right are 25 shot groups with the slugs, 50 shots in a row. I was paying better attention to the mirage on the second 25 shot group with the slugs, the middle right one. That has 25 shots into 1.22moa, or 22 shots into 1.09 moa.

The bottom left is pellet sighters and bottom right is a 25 shot group with .20/15.89 pellets. I was curious about wind effect on them versus the slugs so just held dead center for all 25 shots. Wind was pushing the pellets pretty good, both to the left and to the right. The 25shot pellet group is probably 3.5inches across, with maybe 20 or so of them into about 1.75". The pellet group isn't anything amazing.

Pretty pleased with the slugs. 32fpe is relatively low power to be putting 25 consecutive shots into groups like that at 100 yards.

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Cole, would you be willing to share your .20
setup (spring / pwr wheel / barrel) combo on the “ghost collaborate request thread?

 

[V5CVBB]

And be fully aware that you no longer have a gun that can be enjoyed safely in a back yard or without 600+ yards of nothing downrange, cuz then you're at rimfire and above power levels....

I'm much more comfortable shooting my .177 in directions I refuse to fire even a 22lr. Thanks for the reminder. Guess I'll hold off on a dedicated slug gun for now. Accurate pellet gun it is then.

 

[Franklink]

Cole, would you be willing to share your .20
setup (spring / pwr wheel / barrel) combo on the “ghost collaborate request thread?

Done.

 

[Emu]

Not elusive any more !!

FX Leopard standard .25 Cal; and

Vulcan 3 700 mm .25 Cal.

Both can do it all day long.

 

[Franklink]

Not elusive any more !!

FX Leopard standard .25 Cal; and

Vulcan 3 700 mm .25 Cal.

Both can do it all day long.

Lets see it.

5 groups of 5 shots each. @ 100 yards.

And if it'll do it all day long, show us a couple.
No cherry-picking.

 

[steve123]

Cole, thats a good shooting slug, barrel, and tune, combo. Fun isn't it?!

My experience;
The first time I tried slugs was in a AAA EVOL 30 cal using NSA 47.5 GR and that resulted in halfway decent groups at 50y except for huge flyers here and there but at 100y and it was horrible. I can't remember the twist rate it had.

So I almost swore off slugs until Mike N of Thomas Airguns put a 22 cal 16 twist slug barrel on my HPX, using a swage die and size die making 42 gr slugs to fit that barrel. Long story short I learned on several occasions "don't change his settings ". So it seems the "TUNE" is as important as the proper barrel, etc. It's shooting fantastic again after he redid things and I'm leaving it as is which is 67 fpe.

My AGT V3 25 cal was tuned by Derrick Wall for Altaros 49.5 slugs but it happens to shoot the Alt 60gr better. IIRC it's a 17 twist barrel. It also shoots well.
So in a way I lucked out as far as this slug fitting this barrel. I haven't changed the tune at all which is 99 fpe.

Next is my 22 cal Skout EVO with it's 15.75 twist LW slug barrel. It also shoots Alt 32.3 gr slugs well at 48-50 fpe which is half the fpe of standard velocity 22rf.

I wouldn't say any of them will do 1 moa all day long but the last three have shot quite a few 5 shot groups that were sub moa. It's mostly wind and me that hinder things but the HPX has shot tighter overall. I shot a .3" 5 shot group at 100y with barely any vertical and also hit a 1" spinner at that distance 9 times in a row. Neither of which have I been able to do with my Anschutz 22rf.

I'm too tired to try shooting at night in very calm conditions and can't seem to catch it when it's ideal during the day. I'll get going in 1-2 mph but by the time I finish the wind becomes pretty vexing.