Well if one doesn’t like clean restrooms, Texas style BBQ, fudge and buc nuts, I guess keep driving.
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Why does FX come out with so many different rifles ?
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Def will. You left out 5 million people …lines as far as can be seen even for the bathrooms. I guess to each their own. Yeah I’d rather shoot myself in the eye with a red Ryder BB gun than go back.
Oh I left out the line from the parking lot all the way to the freeway for the dumb place.
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I had to look it up. Too big for me,no problem ;it no where near me. I had to think of the relationship,I think I understand it now,what a clever way of a euphemism Kados to you 
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I'll admit I'm not fully-informed. Never fired an FX rifle. Never seen one in real life. But I've observed their behaviour for years and my impression is they are simply an airgun manufacturer that's taken the message from modern marketing to heart.
Whether or not you think that's a good or bad thing, that's probably a personal issue. But that's the impression the company gives me.
They have a business cycle that appears to depend on rapid, small incremental changes. Lots of noise and chatter on social media. And they rely on a dedicated class of airgun fanatics to keep their corporate wheels turning.
Whether or not you think that's a good or bad thing, that's probably a personal issue. But that's the impression the company gives me.
They have a business cycle that appears to depend on rapid, small incremental changes. Lots of noise and chatter on social media. And they rely on a dedicated class of airgun fanatics to keep their corporate wheels turning.
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Ahh, I missed it also. Well done sir!! I was focused on Buc-ee’s, only time I went was in NE GA and had a pleasant experience.I had to look it up. Too big for me,no problem ;it no where near me. I had to think of the relationship,I think I understand it now,what a clever way of a euphemism Kados to you
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And me
I am still waiting for the new pistol format shown at Shot Show 25.
Promised for this month
AND
The there's the Halos
I am still waiting for the new pistol format shown at Shot Show 25.
Promised for this month
AND
The there's the Halos
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Cheap: CAD, plastic and metal printing, CNC, etc. + Upgraded offshore mfg. = Relatively simple upgrades to existing designs and fast turn for new markets.
If there is a new market, you can design and execute an optimized design in a matter of weeks. Because there's money available, even short production runs become viable.
Econ 101: supply and demand.
If there is a new market, you can design and execute an optimized design in a matter of weeks. Because there's money available, even short production runs become viable.
Econ 101: supply and demand.
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. One in northern Tennessee was a cluster of people. On a Sunday morning too. It was nuts. Exit backed up to freeway. Every car was going there. I don’t know, I had an unusual despise for the place I admit. You can get about anything there elsewhere with less crowds. Anyway this is way off base I suppose. LolUpvote 0
New is what sells with most products to the vast majority of the public. $$$ Why else make 50 varieties of the Oreo.
Just heard Oreo and Reeses are collaborating.
Just heard Oreo and Reeses are collaborating.
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Types of competitions has evolved world wide.
Scores required to win these competitions have increased world wide
Hunting demands have changed world wide.
Distances for hunting shots has increased world wide.
You evolve with the demands of your users or fade away.
Scores required to win these competitions have increased world wide
Hunting demands have changed world wide.
Distances for hunting shots has increased world wide.
You evolve with the demands of your users or fade away.
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I don't see many other companies putting out new stuff. In fact it seems like a lot of them have gone silent licking their wounds during a tough economy. I like seeing new products with a variety of price options. IMO the only innovative airgun manufacturers right now are FX, Skout, and Taipan. Still waiting for the deets on the Edgun Fenix.
PK
PK
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This right hereWhy does FX release so many models? The simplest explanation would be that the more models the have, the more people they appeal to, the more they sell and sales equal profits.
While I'm sure that FX likes to be profitable and successful I don't think that is their sole motivation.
Developing and maintaining multiple products is very expensive. Most companies design a product and milk it for as long as they can, adding cosmetic changes or minor improvements to keep the money flowing.
I have a variety of popular airguns including FX. I have been pleased with the FX's I have so I've been watching the company closely and like what I've seen.
Why so many models? To cover the disciplines that people want in the configurations that they prefer. Bonus is that most can be changed to suit new requirements.
Why so many variations? Continuous improvement and because we ask.
Take the Impact for example. The original was a 30ish fpe pellet gun. People wanted more power, FX released the MK2. Slugs became important so the MK3 and then the MK4 were released to address those needs. It's what we wanted.
The Panthera designed for those who wanted to compete in PRS matches. Some people wanted the new valve in a more traditional format so that spawned the King.
The DRS series features the over the barrel air reservoir to address barrel stiffness. I like my light weight Classic, others more inclined to competition prefer the PRO. Synthetic, wood, tactical, or Pro - lots of choices.
The new Leopard incorporates a bunch of the recent improvements into a bullpup that I believe is to replace the Impact line.
So, FX is not resting on their laurels, they are investing a pile of money into research and development... and people complain there's too many options.
While I'm on a rant, I get tired of the complaints...
People also complain about the price where a search of Pyramyd Air shows that FX models are competitive compared to similar models of other brands.
There's all kinds of OPTIONAL accessories for customising the FX products... instead of being appreciated that's another source of complaints.
Too many o-rings? Each one is there for a reason, don't like it, buy a simpler design.
People seen to forget that FX manufacturers airguns for the TYPICAL CONSUMER. That these airguns are capable of being raised to competitive levels is a bonus. Those who want competitive match grade airguns will need to invest time and money to upgrade or contact companies who make custom airguns to cater to those needs.
Anyway, done rambling - the soapbox is free.
Cheers!
PK
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I think Daystate is doing their part as are many other manufacturers,Air guns are improving across the board.It great to have choices,the British have always been slower to react.I see the RTI have some great rifles .....choices from other manufactors are slower ,this is true.If a PCP is designed to be the best it can be at the time it is designed,it should always be a good gun no matter the time.That is why many times it is better to buy a used known quality air gun than a new not so good quality air gun...
Quality is what I want,.not the newest or most popular........so it is great to be able to have the many choices we have from the many different manufactors.
Quality is what I want,.not the newest or most popular........so it is great to be able to have the many choices we have from the many different manufactors.
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Regarding this thread’s original topic regarding why so many FX models…
Most all FX guns use the same barrels and essentially the same trigger design.
To me, barrels and triggers are the most critical areas where you can improve/optimize performance. So I’d like to see FX focus a bit on trigger performance. They seem to have started some R&D in that area by adding a lever to the M4 trigger.
FX had also made their barrel systems more rigid with their recent “plenum over the barrel” platforms. Unfortunately for me, I’ve shied away from trying those designs as they reduce/eliminate the shroud volume - and I require low noise designs to allow backyard shooting.
Just my opinion, but it does seem FX is trying to innovate in those two areas (barrels and triggers) that are most important to me (well, beginning to improve their sorely lacking triggers). I love that caliber swaps are easy and that you can essentially try a new “barrel” cost effectively by just swapping out the liner in your existing barrel. With other premium brands, barrel swaps can be prohibitively expensive.
I’m not so focused on fancy pressure regulation systems (dual regulators, electronic feedback loop regulation) as I’ve had fantastic target result with well set up unregulated rifles - so I think you can achieve excellent velocity regulation at a moderate cost - i.e. a single Huma mechanical regulator.
I’d love to see FX introduce a simple electronic trigger- like on the Daystate Renegade. Powered by a 9V battery, the Renegade’s trigger can be set so light and yet still two stage and with great feel and consistency. I’ve been unable to set up my 6 FX triggers to be anywhere near as nice as my Renegade’s trigger. I don’t need/want an entirely electronic rifle like some Daystate/Scout platforms. Maybe eventually as costs come down, but not right now.
Overall, I think the most important innovation that FX has demonstrated is that you don’t need an (expensive, heavy) solid steel barrel to shoot pellets/slugs effectively. Those steel barrels seem a holdover from powder burners where the steel was necessary to handle gun powder expansion pressures - not necessary to handle PCP pressures. I’d like to see FX (and other manufacturers) continue to innovate in barrel technology - perhaps even pure carbon fiber barrels someday with extremely smooth (low friction) bores with rifling optimized for specific projectile choice (pellets, slugs, hybrids, future projectiles).
I’ve got 3 Crowns that shoot lights out with pellets. Give me a simple bolt-in electronic trigger for my Crowns and Dreamlines and I’m in pellet rifle nirvana…
-Ed
Most all FX guns use the same barrels and essentially the same trigger design.
To me, barrels and triggers are the most critical areas where you can improve/optimize performance. So I’d like to see FX focus a bit on trigger performance. They seem to have started some R&D in that area by adding a lever to the M4 trigger.
FX had also made their barrel systems more rigid with their recent “plenum over the barrel” platforms. Unfortunately for me, I’ve shied away from trying those designs as they reduce/eliminate the shroud volume - and I require low noise designs to allow backyard shooting.
Just my opinion, but it does seem FX is trying to innovate in those two areas (barrels and triggers) that are most important to me (well, beginning to improve their sorely lacking triggers). I love that caliber swaps are easy and that you can essentially try a new “barrel” cost effectively by just swapping out the liner in your existing barrel. With other premium brands, barrel swaps can be prohibitively expensive.
I’m not so focused on fancy pressure regulation systems (dual regulators, electronic feedback loop regulation) as I’ve had fantastic target result with well set up unregulated rifles - so I think you can achieve excellent velocity regulation at a moderate cost - i.e. a single Huma mechanical regulator.
I’d love to see FX introduce a simple electronic trigger- like on the Daystate Renegade. Powered by a 9V battery, the Renegade’s trigger can be set so light and yet still two stage and with great feel and consistency. I’ve been unable to set up my 6 FX triggers to be anywhere near as nice as my Renegade’s trigger. I don’t need/want an entirely electronic rifle like some Daystate/Scout platforms. Maybe eventually as costs come down, but not right now.
Overall, I think the most important innovation that FX has demonstrated is that you don’t need an (expensive, heavy) solid steel barrel to shoot pellets/slugs effectively. Those steel barrels seem a holdover from powder burners where the steel was necessary to handle gun powder expansion pressures - not necessary to handle PCP pressures. I’d like to see FX (and other manufacturers) continue to innovate in barrel technology - perhaps even pure carbon fiber barrels someday with extremely smooth (low friction) bores with rifling optimized for specific projectile choice (pellets, slugs, hybrids, future projectiles).
I’ve got 3 Crowns that shoot lights out with pellets. Give me a simple bolt-in electronic trigger for my Crowns and Dreamlines and I’m in pellet rifle nirvana…
-Ed
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I like better when was one, state-approve rifle for buying. Use red, star shape projectile have profile of Lenin I never see.
But seriously, even non FX shooters should be glad they are around. I feel they have driven innovation and caused other manufacturers to innovate as well.
I’m also happy to have the YouTube videos to watch, learn from, and be entertained by. I couldn’t imagine trying to learn to tune my rifle without them. Just have to be a good gatekeeper of my wallet.
But seriously, even non FX shooters should be glad they are around. I feel they have driven innovation and caused other manufacturers to innovate as well.
I’m also happy to have the YouTube videos to watch, learn from, and be entertained by. I couldn’t imagine trying to learn to tune my rifle without them. Just have to be a good gatekeeper of my wallet.
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The strive for the cheaper better product..
Cheaper for them to make
Better profits for the shareholders
Outsource to china at 70$ a gun . Sell to you for $2000.... Lol
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Yep, just like BSA, Webley, Diana, and others. They made the same old, same old, year after year and now they are gone. Air Arms and Weihrauch may be next. Even though they make the best quality rifles., they are always the same. Why should anyone buy another?
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