Tuning FX Impact Mk2/M3 - slower first shot - no reg creep - quasi-scientific analysis

I know this is an old thread but I love to tinker with stuff and this thread was just totally absorbing to me. Im lost when it comes to the charts, but everything here was explained in such a way i had no trouble following along at all...great stuff gentleman, my hat is off to you all. There is defenitly some talented people on here.
 
FX has now modified the parts so that the o-ring has a flat seating instead of a conical one.
They also press a small bushing behind the o-ring, but this is probably only to keep the o-ring in place during assembly.

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A molding of the original part posted earlier in this topic

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FX has now modified the parts so that the o-ring has a flat seating instead of a conical one.
They also press a small bushing behind the o-ring, but this is probably only to keep the o-ring in place during assembly.

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A molding of the original part posted earlier in this topic

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Is that with a new m4?
Do we know if we can put that part in the older M3?
 
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Agree!

They must have had a lot of these parts left over, because it clearly had to be a solution or at least an improvement on the current part.

Hopefully with the M5, they will go back to the original design with a nut, as you already suggested.

Also, the plastic bushing they press into it makes it very difficult to replace that o-ring.
 
I'm glad someone brought this up, because it was also part of the reason for the drawing, to show how much material has been removed.

You can see that, in the best case scenario, it is as thick as the cylinder wall at its thinnest point, where one of the outer o-rings is located.
However, in order to withstand the same pressure as the cylinder wall, a flat top or bottom should be at least three times as thick, which is not the case here at all.

They should have only removed the conical portion.
Then the bushing would have made sense too.

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The shaft has an inner diameter of about 8,5 mm, but the flat seat for the o-ring is maybe only 7mm I think since the o-ring is 2,84x2,62.

I hope they’re not all like this, because the part in the photo appears to have been drilled too far, leaving an end that is almost certainly too thin.

A photoshop of how I think it should look.

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I've measured the updated plenum part (10338) as it is currently installed on the latest version of the Impact M4.

Here too, the previous M3 part has been drilled out 4 mm deeper with a 6.2 mm flat drill bit, leaving barely a 0.6 mm rim as seat for the o-ring.
Surely that can't be suitable for a pressure of up to 160 bar, or am I mistaken?

To give you an idea of how thin it is, there is a plastic filler in the photo.
The hole in the top for the valve rod is 3 mm and the hole above the lower o-ring is 1.5 mm in diameter.

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Because it has been drilled out 4 mm deeper, the position of the bushing is therefore completely irrelevant.

The bushing is 6 mm high, of which 4 mm has a diameter of 7.9 mm and 2 mm has a diameter of 8.10 mm.

The O-ring is 2.9 x 1.78 PUR90 (5107).

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According to ChatGPT:

Minimum thickness high-grade aviation aluminum (2024-T3, SF = 2)

PressureWall Thickness (Theoretical)Wall Thickness (Practical)Top/Bottom Thickness (Theoretical, with 3 mm hole)Top/Bottom Thickness (Practical, with 3 mm hole)
100 bar0.17 mm1–2 mm1.42 mm2–2.5 mm
160 bar0.27 mm1–2 mm1.80 mm2.5–3 mm

If this is correct, even at 100 bar with high-grade aluminum, you are still more than half below the theoretical minimum thickness.

The part would probably have been within safety margin if it had been drilled out to a depth of only 2 mm instead of 4 mm. That way, the position of the plastic bushing would also make sense.
 
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I've measured the updated plenum part (10338) as it is currently installed on the latest version of the Impact M4.

Here too, the previous M3 part has been drilled out 4 mm deeper with a 6.2 mm flat drill bit, leaving barely a 0.6 mm rim as seat for the o-ring.
Surely that can't be suitable for a pressure of up to 160 bar, or am I mistaken?

To give you an idea of how thin it is, there is a plastic filler in the photo.
The hole in the top for the valve rod is 3 mm and the hole above the lower o-ring is 1.5 mm in diameter.

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Because it has been drilled out 4 mm deeper, the position of the bushing is therefore completely irrelevant.

The bushing is 6 mm high, of which 4 mm has a diameter of 7.9 mm and 2 mm has a diameter of 8.10 mm.

The O-ring is 2.9 x 1.78 PUR90 (5107).

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According to ChatGPT:

Minimum thickness high-grade aviation aluminum (2024-T3, SF = 2)

PressureWall Thickness (Theoretical)Wall Thickness (Practical)Top/Bottom Thickness (Theoretical, with 3 mm hole)Top/Bottom Thickness (Practical, with 3 mm hole)
100 bar0.17 mm1–2 mm1.42 mm2–2.5 mm
160 bar0.27 mm1–2 mm1.80 mm2.5–3 mm

If this is correct, even at 100 bar with high-grade aluminum, you are still more than double below the theoretical minimum thickness.

The part would probably have been within safety margin if it had been drilled out to a depth of only 2 mm instead of 4 mm. That way, the position of the plastic bushing would also make sense.
And what exactly does the plastic bushing do?
 
This would indeed make sense if the bushing were located just behind the o-ring, as shown in this photoshopped image, where only 2 mm would have been drilled out.

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In reality, FX drilled out the parts to a depth of 4 mm, placing the bushing 2 mm behind the o-ring. In that case, it might as well not be there.

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As I see it, the plastic bushing where FX has provided it serves no purpose and can just as well be left out..

But I think these are faulty parts that have been drilled out too far.

I think the intention was to drill it out to a depth of only 2 mm so that the o-ring would have a flat seat.
The bushing would then serve to hold the o-ring in place.

But this would still only be useful for holding the o-ring in place during installation, when there is no pressure on it.
As soon as pressure is applied, the o-ring would not move anywhere, or you would have a leak there every shot.

Originally, FX simply placed a larger o-ring behind it. This served as a support to keep the o-ring in place during installation.

What concerns me most is the remaining thickness of 0.6 mm at the top. Is this sufficient and safe up to 160 bar?

@FX Airguns , can this be confirmed please, or would it be better to have this spare part replaced?
 
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