Leshiy 2 explodes

Yes, I owned one of those cars and knew about the problem and still chose to drive it. If I was injured it would be my poor judgement and fault. I calculated the odds of the airbag malfunctioning and causing an injury was less than airbag working properly during an accident and saving my life. An owner of a known defective and dangerous product uses it at their own risk. If they were prudent they would stop using the product and pursue legal and monetary remedy if desired and feasible. No one forces a person to use a dangerous product. People should take self responsibility.

Now if the problem is intention hidden and unknow that is a horse of a different story. That isn't the case with the Leshily 2. More than enough info for a person to decide for themselves if they think the product is safe to use or not. Ed thinks a 1.5 safety margin is enough, others may not.
 
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If I were Leshy, I would have this gun picked up ( TODAY ) and have an engineer go over it. I would also have a NEW Leshy at his door the same way!
You're super late to this party but: 1) who is Leshy?, 2) damaged parts are already being gone over and 3) this whole thread has been all sorts of wacky based on how completely aloof and non-forthcoming the OP has been with providing any real details as to how this happened. The OP figuratively drops a bomb into the forum with almost no details, basically says it's no big deal and then disappears from the thread forever so I wouldn't be delivering a new replacement at his door if I were Leshy...
 
Yes, I owned one of those cars and knew about the problem and still chose to drive it. If I was injured it would be my poor judgement and fault. I calculated the odds of the airbag malfunctioning and causing an injury was less than airbag working properly during an accident and saving my life. An owner of a known defective and dangerous product uses it at their own risk. If they were prudent they would stop using the product and pursue legal and monetary remedy if desired and feasible. No one forces a person to use a dangerous product. People should take self responsibility.

Now if the problem is intention hidden and unknow that is a horse of a different story. That isn't the case with the Leshily 2. More than enough info for a person to decide for themselves if they think the product is safe to use or not. Ed thinks a 1.5 safety margin is enough, others may not.

And those injured before the recalls...?? Their fault huh?
 
Im am so super tired of these excuses. When you buy one of the most expensive airguns on the market, you expect not only quality, but also safety. That is all we are asking for. We want to know how this could have happened, and if a repeat of this incident is possible in the (near) future.

May I remind you that Toyota called 8 million cars back to the factory for inspection after just 3 incidents where a Prius went haywire. Even though it wasn't clear yet what caused it. Because that's what you do as a manufacturer. You make absolutely sure that there is no fault in the design or engineering.
 
I agree, but as I said its taken quite a long time, I am not insinuating anything other than it wasn't done post-haste as getting Marko's replacements.
And you're comparing sending something from one country to Russia and sending from Russia to a totally different country. Everyone that ever ordered something knows that different post offices have slower/faster methods to send something. Also if something is a priority air mail or if it uses the ground or as I like to call it snail mail.

I don't know what your problem is with Ed or Leshy rifles but just wait for results like everyone else and don't just blame people at random because right now it looks like Ed messed up just because he used priority mail to EU versus the guy that used USPS land service to Russia.
 
And you're comparing sending something from one country to Russia and sending from Russia to a totally different country. Everyone that ever ordered something knows that different post offices have slower/faster methods to send something. Also if something is a priority air mail or if it uses the ground or as I like to call it snail mail.

I don't know what your problem is with Ed or Leshy rifles but just wait for results like everyone else and don't just blame people at random because right now it looks like Ed messed up just because he used priority mail to EU versus the guy that used USPS land service to Russia.

If you don't know what my problem with Ed or Leshy is, maybe I don't have one? When you find that out let me know...otherwise your speculations are no different than mine...
 
Sorry for not being able to answer everybody personally, still out of home and have quite limited access to Internet. Shortly I should like to say the following:



1. Marko has made a mistake while testing the tube. He is a brave man and admitted it. Thus all the result he has got (if we accept the failure of his gauge) are exactly match my test. No yeald at the pressure over 500 bar (it should has no yeald at 450 bar).



2. Marko has caluclated the tube using the data of the real D16T later not the equal allow and they calculation showes the same as the tests.



3. In fact no shart corner at the bottom of the tube, there is a radisu 0.4 mm, the "experts' can say that it is not enough -- but I don't care abou tthem, that is enough. The tubes are completely safe, no matter conical or flat bottom is. You can spuculate about if for ever -- just proove it with the real test, otherwise you are just "chaters" has no idea about the topic.



4. The remains of Dave's tubes are on the expertise now and as soon as I have the rusult I will share it with you.



5. The 3.5 coefitient is not for the PCP airgun tubes, to find out the reallity just make the test of ANY tube or bottle of PCP rifle at the market with the pressure of 1'050 bar and then you will not be able to sleep getting new knowalge of the reality ;-) For those tubes 1.5 check coefitient is normal no matter in Russia or in any other country.



6. The proove of the right calculatioin of my tubes is 20 years history of the company and over 100'000 guns sold with no issues. That means the way of the calculation is right, the way of testing is right, the way of choosing the materil is right. If you don't agry with that -- just proove it or stop chat about things you have no idea (everybody were normal virus professionals just a year ago and some of them turned to be a war expert profeccionals and some of them in this topic became a high pressure vessels experts!).



7. Nobody, I repeat, no one manufacture is safe of getting the wrong matterial while making anything in this world. Even the space industry with the huge level of control are facing that. No one PCP gun maker will make 100 % control of the critical parts with X-ray or some other tools. If they tell you that -- aware their guns, they are liers. Or their guns will cost so much that you will not be just able to afford to buy them. If you are living in the elf world and think that is true -- choose the other hobby. So, while it happens the matterial is fail, there is a possibility of the issue, Using high pressure machines you just should know about it. The possibility is VERY low but is not equal to zero.



8. Users can be strange. They can make things a normal man can never understand and that also cause the problem and in most cased the user will never ever say he was wrong :) The idea to accept any user as 100 % right and any explanations of the manufacturer as the lie -- is stupid way of valuing the reallity.



9. Use you brain and rational aprasail of the facts, instead of emotions and aprasail speculations, otherwise you are not a man, but just hysterical idiot.

That is it for now, have to go back to work. Most likely will not be able to participate in that for another week or soo, enjoy chating meanwhile :)

Yours trully

Ed
 
If you don't know what my problem with Ed or Leshy is, maybe I don't have one? When you find that out let me know...otherwise your speculations are no different than mine...
What speculations? Reread your posts. All you do is bark about how the results are bad, you're entitled to answers and how quickly a package was sent?

Being a dick won't give you any more answers than we already have. Wait for the analysis although I highly suspect that the guy blew up his tank and used a post to get a new one free of charge. You should ask yourself how come a user posts a photo of a blown up gun, is fine otherwise and says "everything cool, great gun, respect, bye" and then just vanishes. And you blame the maker without any other info? Is that all it takes?

As said... Take a chill pill. Also I have shot daily with a 300bar Leshiy2 (minus some bad weather) and I'm still alive. Funny that.
 
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"9. Use you brain and rational aprasail of the facts, instead of emotions and aprasail speculations, otherwise you are not a man, but just hysterical idiot."

The people in this thread who are so easily offended by mere speculation, what does that make them? Feminine? Unmanly? Hysterical idiot? All of the above? None of the above? So easy for you to throw around insults and corrections, but so hard to swallow them, such as accepting pcp compressors now go over 300 bar? Also possible there is a BATCH of poorly bored out tubes that do not meet design criteria...is that a speculation? Yes...is it one of emotion or logic? You tell me...Lol
 
Sorry for not being able to answer everybody personally, still out of home and have quite limited access to Internet. Shortly I should like to say the following:



1. Marko has made a mistake while testing the tube. He is a brave man and admitted it. Thus all the result he has got (if we accept the failure of his gauge) are exactly match my test. No yeald at the pressure over 500 bar (it should has no yeald at 450 bar).



2. Marko has caluclated the tube using the data of the real D16T later not the equal allow and they calculation showes the same as the tests.



3. In fact no shart corner at the bottom of the tube, there is a radisu 0.4 mm, the "experts' can say that it is not enough -- but I don't care abou tthem, that is enough. The tubes are completely safe, no matter conical or flat bottom is. You can spuculate about if for ever -- just proove it with the real test, otherwise you are just "chaters" has no idea about the topic.



4. The remains of Dave's tubes are on the expertise now and as soon as I have the rusult I will share it with you.



5. The 3.5 coefitient is not for the PCP airgun tubes, to find out the reallity just make the test of ANY tube or bottle of PCP rifle at the market with the pressure of 1'050 bar and then you will not be able to sleep getting new knowalge of the reality ;-) For those tubes 1.5 check coefitient is normal no matter in Russia or in any other country.



6. The proove of the right calculatioin of my tubes is 20 years history of the company and over 100'000 guns sold with no issues. That means the way of the calculation is right, the way of testing is right, the way of choosing the materil is right. If you don't agry with that -- just proove it or stop chat about things you have no idea (everybody were normal virus professionals just a year ago and some of them turned to be a war expert profeccionals and some of them in this topic became a high pressure vessels experts!).



7. Nobody, I repeat, no one manufacture is safe of getting the wrong matterial while making anything in this world. Even the space industry with the huge level of control are facing that. No one PCP gun maker will make 100 % control of the critical parts with X-ray or some other tools. If they tell you that -- aware their guns, they are liers. Or their guns will cost so much that you will not be just able to afford to buy them. If you are living in the elf world and think that is true -- choose the other hobby. So, while it happens the matterial is fail, there is a possibility of the issue, Using high pressure machines you just should know about it. The possibility is VERY low but is not equal to zero.



8. Users can be strange. They can make things a normal man can never understand and that also cause the problem and in most cased the user will never ever say he was wrong :) The idea to accept any user as 100 % right and any explanations of the manufacturer as the lie -- is stupid way of valuing the reallity.



9. Use you brain and rational aprasail of the facts, instead of emotions and aprasail speculations, otherwise you are not a man, but just hysterical idiot.

That is it for now, have to go back to work. Most likely will not be able to participate in that for another week or soo, enjoy chating meanwhile :)

Yours trully

Ed
Ed,

Why the 2 variations of tubes?
 
... Yours trully

Ed
(y) your comment was just way to long how I would do it, but some of we can understand, You a busy man, better get back to work.
This thread from point #A is no value other then some people forcing the "polite bashing" within gray margins that bordering with political finger pointing.
To people who still wanting to expand I would suggest you just "don't buy"... go to the next...or next...or next.
 
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6. The proove of the right calculatioin of my tubes is 20 years history of the company and over 100'000 guns sold with no issues. That means the way of the calculation is right, the way of testing is right, the way of choosing the materil is right. If you don't agry with that -- just proove it or stop chat about things you have no idea (everybody were normal virus professionals just a year ago and some of them turned to be a war expert profeccionals and some of them in this topic became a high pressure vessels experts!).

Ed, I own 2 leshiy 2 in .30 and I love them and I have other Ed guns as well however, I think as a structural engineer dealing with helium and MRi magnets, I know a thing or two about pressure but I'm no expert on PCP guns so I try not to be a smart ass. What I would like to point out is your rhetoric that should prove your point (as stated above) "everybody were normal virus professionals just a year ago". You/we should know by now that even the most seasoned virologists and epidemiologists were WRONG. It were the "conspiracy theorists" that were right . . . you know the "common folk" that like to use their common sense and gut feeling. Again, I love your guns mate but next time, try to come up with a better example ;)



Ed
 
After watching how these in the video ruptured, why were there pieces in the original photo that started all this? Did the op try to perform his own investigation and cut it open to see why it failed? That would make it seem like it was worse than what it was, to me anyway. I would still like the "story" of what actually happened to cause it to rupture in the first place.
Ed, could you please tell us what was told to you by the owner describing what happened?