Events AOA Extreme Bench Rest, Field Target & Big Bore April 27th 30th Ashland, Or

[Airgunoregon]

Four events? 100Y, EFT, Big Bore. What’s the fourth?

Ahhh, forgot about the powder burner stuff. Not sure how I’d do it if you include that?

I'm working the the final version of rules for the events.. here is what I have on the Firearm Air gun Big Bore Challenge.

150 to 370 yard Air Gun Big Bore vs Cowboy Firearm Challenge

The top 15winners from the Air Gun Big Bore will be in, (or if the all the 15 don't want in, then those who chose further down the winners list), the challenge with 15 Cowboy/Girl firearm competitors. Acceptable firearms include any pistol ammo commonly used to shoot Cowboy Action events shot in any rifle, like maybe 250gr .45 cal long colt shot in a Marlin lever action rifle. or .38 special, 44 special etc. Any sights or scopes are allowed. Distance to the targets will be posted. We plan to repaint the targets once per hour.

Kentucky long rifles and the like are allowed as well and black powder too. Just trying to get the trajectory and power levels fairly close to the Big Bore air guns.

The firearm entry spots will first be offered to competitors that didn’t compete in any of the Air Gun Events, but if there are any spots available the morning of the match, then air gun competitors can take those spots. I will have my Marlin 1894 dialed in and available for a run thru the line…. For a price of course

 

[Airgunoregon]

Also…in the past you formatted the 100y event as an aggregate score of 2 cards (commendable). Will this be the format used again?

Hi Mike,
Here is the latest version of the format and schedule:

Air Guns of Arizona & Air Gun Oregon Extreme Air Gun Challenge

555 Emigrant Creek rd., Ashland, Oregon 97520​

Registration/Sign In & Practice Thursday April 27th 2023

After Sign In, practice on the courses can start at 8:00 am Thursday morning. We have to quit by 5:00 pm

AOA Extreme Field Target Grand Prix – (Friday and Saturday Mornings)

Air Guns of Arizona Grand Prix Rules link

Extreme Benchrest Rules - Extreme Benchrest

Extreme Benchrest competition rules in Arizona. Shooting at 75 yards and 100 yards, this multi-day competition takes Benchrest to the Extreme!

extremebenchrest.com

The Extreme Field Target Event will be limited to 60 competitors with match time starting for all competitors at 9:00 am, Friday and Saturday mornings. We will have 13 lanes, 25 targets, with 4-5 competitors per squad, depending on the number of contestants. There will be two targets per lane with two shots on each. 100fpe & .30 caliber or less only. Your scope power must be set to 32 or less.

The targets are mostly swingers with backstops that will be painted white so you can see your misses. Any movement of the spinner is considered a hit. The non-shooting squad mates will time, score and spot for the shooting competitor. If you have a spotting scope or binoculars, please bring them.

Competitors will have 3 min. to take their 4 shots. Each hit will count for 5 points, for 250 points possible; matching up with the total possible in the 100 yard Bench Rest and the Big Bore matches so we can have the Combined Awards too.

Targets will be placed at 25 yards to 110 yards. The smallest spinner is 7/8” and largest is 4”. One lane will be supported, standing offhand.

Combined Two Best Scores Bonus Prize

The best two of your scores will be counted in the bonus prize money for the Combined Best Scores awards.

You can enter in all four events: Extreme Field Target - 100 yard Bench Rest - 150- 370 yard Big Bore Challenge - and/or the Big Bore/Cowboy Firearm Challenge.

100 yard Bench Rest – (Friday and Saturday Afternoons)

The bench rest relays will be shot Friday and Saturday after the field target and lunch, starting at 1:00 pm. There will be 4 relays of 15 competitors, allowing for 60 total participants. There will be 20 min to shoot your card and 5 min to remove your equipment from the bench. Relay start times will be reversed for the second card on Saturday. Your best single card will be chosen to add to your other best score, pulled from up to three other events, to determine your score in the bonus Extreme Combined Challenge. If you are lucky enough to make the 15 top finalists for Sunday, then we include that card in determining your best card. But then again, you don’t have to make the finals in bench rest to win big in the combined prizes. You might shoot one really great card in qualifying but poop out on your second card and not make the finals with your two card total.

The finals winners in the 100 yard Bench Rest are chosen by the combined three days cards, not the best card/score on Sunday’s match.

150 to 370 yard Big Bore Challenge

The Big Bore Challenge will be contested in the afternoons Friday and Saturday, like the 100 yard Bench Rest, and I’ve tried to allow as much time between your relays in each event as possible.

We will have 5 lanes/benches with only one “Quadrant” target on each lane at distances between 150 and 370 yards. Hitting the center bull spinner will be worth 10 points and the outside 4 square swingers will be worth 5 points each for a possible 50 points per lane, or 250 points for the match.

You will get 5 mins to take your 5 shots, plus 3 min to get moved and setup on the next bench, before the next 5 min clock starts. Competitors waiting, and those who have shot already, will be encouraged to help with the scoring and spotting for those shooting. Filling your gun during the 5 min shoot time is allowed, but it must be kept on the shooting bench and pointed downrange at all times. Up to 30 competitors will shoot Friday and the same on Saturday.

150 to 370 yard Air Gun Big Bore vs Cowboy Firearm Challenge

The top 15 winners from the Air Gun Big Bore Challenge will be offered a spot, with 15 Cowboy/Girl Firearm competitors. The Match relays will start Sunday morning at 9:00am and should finish up by noon or so.

Acceptable firearms/ammo include any pistol ammo commonly used to shoot Cowboy Action events, shot in any rifle; like a 225gr .45 cal. long colt shot in a Marlin 1894 lever action rifle. Basically, Sub-Sonic Black Powder ammo only is allowed. Just trying to get the trajectory and power levels fairly close to the Big Bore air rifles. Any sights or scopes are allowed. Kentucky long rifles are encouraged!! Distance to the targets will be posted. We plan to call a cold line and repaint the targets once per hour.

The firearm entry spots will first be offered to competitors that didn’t compete in any of the Air Gun Events, but if there are any spots available the morning of the match, then air gun competitors can take those spots based on a first come, first serve waiting list. A list will be available to pre-sign up. If you don’t have, or don’t want to bring yours, I will have my .45LC Marlin 1894, dialed in and available for a run thru the line…. For a price of course to cover ammo etc. J

In order for the prizes to be $1,000 & $1,500 for first place, and award prizes down to 5th place, and also award the Combined Prizes & Big Bore/Firearm event, the match fees need to be $100 per event. If you register for all 3, then the price is only $250… AND you potentially have 4 chances for two good winning scores and a better chance at the extra combined prize money. With the total entries limited to 60, the odds of at least getting match fees back are pretty good.

IF you win all 4 events, you would bag $5,500 in total cash and prizes. AND, you don’t have to pay for events you don’t plan on competing in. EVEN if you only register for 2 events, you still have a chance to win some combined prize money.

I prefer emailing me for a registration form and using PayPal as a friend or mailing back the form with a check.. Bank processing fees are nastily high. Or the website will soon have registration available at airgunoregon.com

Wayne Burns, Email me for a registration form at [email protected]

Match Director,

AOA Extreme & Air Gun Oregon

Air Gun Challenge 2023

 

[thomasair]

That’s good on the 100 Wayne. I hope you set a precedent with your format.

Mike

 

[Centercut]

Agree with Mike. Looks like you’ve put a lot of thought in this and the points. Nice job Wayne!

 

[Airgunoregon]

Well good news and bad news
first field test with our prototype worked super with all the test guns up through the AEA challenger 357 at about 350fpe with 185gr.

But, the bad news, the prototype can't handle the AEA 457 Challenger that shooting the 365 grain Mr. Hollowpoint at average of 909 over 5 shots with the custom added Zeus air tank. It's 650fpe at 10 yards and 574fpe at 100 yards where we tested the target.

My buddy LD came up with a new design we are trying next... so stay tunned

Wayne

 

[Airgunoregon]

more pictures of the 120 yard target design first try..

 

[Therealld]

Well Wayne,

To me, you are trying to do some things with new-for-you untried wrinkles (such as the bigbore event target design and construction, times per shot, and actual range prep) In too short a time frame (considering your staffing). I think you may be so concerned with a 60 person entry gate and prize structure scheduled around a “base 250 high score” construct that you may be making things overly tight timewise.

During our recent discussions regarding the long range target design, I also brought up the issue of adequate air for everyone at the event … I had not considered it then, but frankly, the thought of fifty bigbore airguns firing twenty five shots each might require a huge amount of very high pressure air!
I’m guessing many powerful bigbore airguns will essentially exhaust the useful range of a typical mid-sized tank.

Personally, I fail to see the need to shoot more that the usual 40 shots for Extreme Field target in order to decide who is good, and though I see your plan as it relates to the “base 250”, but for me, its a turnoff. Though that bigbore event will prolly be fun for the experienced extreme long range competitor, for those lacking a suitable gun (and who are loath to borrow kit from another competitor, since its really the owner that does all the work of setting the gun and ammo combo up and even does the work of getting the dope) in order to enter.

I sortof hate the idea of centerfire rifles competing alongside airguns in an actual match, and hope the idea dissolves for lack of entries.

I have competed in many of your airgun events in the last decade, and always enjoyed them, but due to my health issues, its getting harder and harder for me to even finish a “one day“ event nowadays, so adding more events and more days is tough on me. Much as I love Field Target, 104 shots will likely be too taxing to then set up and shoot a second event two days in a row. It almost looks like I would only be comfortable with entering the 100yard benchrest leg.

I write this not to criticize, but in hopes you will use your huge energy and that of your able crew to do the what-ifs and extra prep that will make this event. A huge success for everyone involved.

Your bud,

LD

 

[JimInSoCal]

This sounds like a ton of fun, but it is a very ambitious program. Not sure how your crew will be able to run the show effectively , and compete, if that's what they plan to do. I do not have a cowboy action type rifle in a pistol caliber, or a big bore long range airgun (yet), so will be sitting out that part of the match. From the sound of it, the competitors will be using a significant amount of air. What's the plan for being able to refill tanks.

 

[steve123]

What I've noticed is sometimes I shoot right through the spaces on my Quadrant targets right in between the KZ and the quadrants.
This happens worse if the plates don't come back fully plumb with the frame after being hit. Also if I barely clip an edge the paddle will barely move which happens far more than sneaking a pellet clean through the space. It'd be hard to see it happening when the target is far away.

Murphy's law - could be very irritating if these happened in competition. The only way around this annoyance I can see is a close fit between the moving pieces.

Looks like a fun match! Wish it wasn't so far away.

 

[Airgunoregon]

Well Wayne,

To me, you are trying to do some things with new-for-you untried wrinkles (such as the bigbore event target design and construction, times per shot, and actual range prep) In too short a time frame (considering your staffing). I think you may be so concerned with a 60 person entry gate and prize structure scheduled around a “base 250 high score” construct that you may be making things overly tight timewise.

During our recent discussions regarding the long range target design, I also brought up the issue of adequate air for everyone at the event … I had not considered it then, but frankly, the thought of fifty bigbore airguns firing twenty five shots each might require a huge amount of very high pressure air!
I’m guessing many powerful bigbore airguns will essentially exhaust the useful range of a typical mid-sized tank.

Personally, I fail to see the need to shoot more that the usual 40 shots for Extreme Field target in order to decide who is good, and though I see your plan as it relates to the “base 250”, but for me, its a turnoff. Though that bigbore event will prolly be fun for the experienced extreme long range competitor, for those lacking a suitable gun (and who are loath to borrow kit from another competitor, since its really the owner that does all the work of setting the gun and ammo combo up and even does the work of getting the dope) in order to enter.

I sortof hate the idea of centerfire rifles competing alongside airguns in an actual match, and hope the idea dissolves for lack of entries.

I have competed in many of your airgun events in the last decade, and always enjoyed them, but due to my health issues, its getting harder and harder for me to even finish a “one day“ event nowadays, so adding more events and more days is tough on me. Much as I love Field Target, 104 shots will likely be too taxing to then set up and shoot a second event two days in a row. It almost looks like I would only be comfortable with entering the 100yard benchrest leg.

I write this not to criticize, but in hopes you will use your huge energy and that of your able crew to do the what-ifs and extra prep that will make this event. A huge success for everyone involved.

Your bud,

LD

Spoken like the wise old sage that your are Larry.

I like to test new waters in search for the most fun for the most folks type of events.

I'm trying to give the competitors who only plan to shoot some of the events a good chance to still win at least the cost of attending. Two good bench rest cards could win a lot of money if those added up to the "Best Combined Score" awards. It's a new idea, untested, and may be a flop, but I thought it might work and motivate participation for some to shoot more events so as to have more tries at a 250, but still give someone like yourself who might only shoot bench rest a chance to win something from the combined prize awards too.

AoA is sponsoring this event as one of their Grand Prix events, and their rules are the Extreme Field Target has to be a two day event.

You are so right about "doing the what ifs and extra prep" work.

The air supply could also be an issue as you say and suggested, I will check into renting a couple 6,000psi large tanks... especially if a lot of competitors register for the big bore event. Robert from AOA is sponsoring the event and had mentioned that Larry P will bring up the van with the compressor.. but I haven't heard a firm confirmation lately about that, so I best be ready for the worse case.
Competitors, please bring all the air you can with you and I'll do my best to have enough to cover our needs too.

We only have about 20 competitors that have registered or contacted me saying they will come... so it's not looking like we will make the 60 max. I haven't started the local promotion as yet though. Pretty much the same folks who have attended in the past so far.

You also convinced me to drop the Big Bore/ Cowboy firearm match. I'll save that for another time.

Larry, I really appreciate your advice and you making the long journey to attend. I know you are in pretty much constant pain from your feet.
Blessings Bro,
Wayne

 

[Centercut]

I like to test new waters in search for the most fun for the most folks type of events.

I'm trying to give the competitors who only plan to shoot some of the events a good chance to still win at least the cost of attending. Two good bench rest cards could win a lot of money if those added up to the "Best Combined Score" awards. It's a new idea, untested, and may be a flop, but I thought it might work and motivate participation for some to shoot more events so as to have more tries at a 250, but still give someone like yourself who might only shoot bench rest a chance to win something from the combined prize awards too.

Wayne

Wayne, you just confused me a bit... It was my impression that for your "combined" category, it was the best two of each individual event (EFT, 100Y BR, Big Bore) being added for a combined (max of 500 points). Above it appears if one were to only shoot EFT, then both of his EFT scores could be added for the "combination" points? Wouldn't that person win the EFT also if he were to shoot 250 - 250? Same logic for the 100Y BR? It appeared to me up until now that the best SINGLE score in each of the events would go towards the "combined" category...? Please explain, the above contradicts what you published earlier. Thanks!

 

[Airgunoregon]

Howdy Hey Mike,

Well first off, I only went down this road with your encouragement and objections "to make it fair if someone doesn't shoot all the events"...
check your posts above please.
And.. one could shoot the two best bench rest cards and still not have a higher score than the EFT or Big Bore.. hoping I got the ratios correct with difficulty of each game.
So are you now saying folks have to compete in all events to be included in the "Combined Prizes" ?

Wayne

 

[Airgunoregon]

What I've noticed is sometimes I shoot right through the spaces on my Quadrant targets right in between the KZ and the quadrants.
This happens worse if the plates don't come back fully plumb with the frame after being hit. Also if I barely clip an edge the paddle will barely move which happens far more than sneaking a pellet clean through the space. It'd be hard to see it happening when the target is far away.

Murphy's law - could be very irritating if these happened in competition. The only way around this annoyance I can see is a close fit between the moving pieces.

Looks like a fun match! Wish it wasn't so far away.

Steve,
Larry gave us an incredible idea to solve this problem.

I too have seen this issue in the ones on the market and the one we have been testing for the upcoming matches.
We can now keep a 1/16" tolerance for spacing between the kill zone paddle and the side panels. We should have a prototype ready to test tomorrow and results of testing by the weekend.. stay tuned.

Don't let distance stop you from coming It just might be worth your while..

Wayne

 

[Airgunoregon]

This sounds like a ton of fun, but it is a very ambitious program. Not sure how your crew will be able to run the show effectively , and compete, if that's what they plan to do. I do not have a cowboy action type rifle in a pistol caliber, or a big bore long range airgun (yet), so will be sitting out that part of the match. From the sound of it, the competitors will be using a significant amount of air. What's the plan for being able to refill tanks.

Right on Jim,

Randy and I might not be able to compete unless we can get enough support staff lined up ahead of time.. we are ready for that if need be. It really depends on how the prepping goes and how well be do on finding and training support staff in the timeframe left.

Sooooo, glad you decided to come out from New York to drive up with LD again this year!! You the Man!

Wayne

 

[Centercut]

Howdy Hey Mike,

Well first off, I only went down this road with your encouragement and objections "to make it fair if someone doesn't shoot all the events"...
check your posts above please.
And.. one could shoot the two best bench rest cards and still not have a higher score than the EFT or Big Bore.. hoping I got the ratios correct with difficulty of each game.
So are you now saying folks have to compete in all events to be included in the "Combined Prizes" ?

Wayne

It’s up to you Wayne. I was just pointing out that your latest statement didn’t match your initial statements. If it’s the shooters two highest of the matches he shoots, even if he only shoots one discipline, then if that’s your intention no problems. And now that you point it out, it’s fair for those that only want to shoot one event. So good job on the combo prizes, I like it!
Looking at last years scores, the top EFT scores converted to 250 possible would have 245 for the 39, 240 for the 38, etc. the scores in 100Y weren’t even close to 225, which would have been a 35 in EFT (just counting misses and not overall scores since you had 40 possible not 50).
I have no idea how the Big Bore will fit in with the other two.
But two good EFT scores will easily top two good 100Y BR scores unless you make the Troyer much harder.
It’s your tournament brother, just trying to input constructive comments.
Count me in for scoring the 100Y BR cards.
Mike

 

[Airgunoregon]

That is the trick.. to match the so called troyer of the EFT and the Big Bore targets/distances and try to make it so the winning scores would likely be somewhere around a 235, which is the highest EBR score recorded so far at these matches, by your teammate of course Dave.


Onward..
Wayne

 

[Airgunoregon]

Here is version 2... heavier duty and LDs idea of only three paddles instead of five... much easier to build.

We set it out at 155 yards and started off with the 300 plus fpe .357 AEA challenger. No damage at all so we got out the .457 AEA challenger at 600 plus fpe. I was a little scared we would fail again and have to start over again... BUT NO damage again!! .. and that center kill paddle spun like crazy!! and the side paddles move easy even with 60fpe, so we have a winner! I'm so relieved.


We made a video, but I haven't figured out how to upload it as yet.

onward,
Wayne

 

[Airgunoregon]

I spun the center on the first photo so that's why it's not flush with the side paddles.

 

[Airgunoregon]

Here is the latest design of the Big Bore target that LD suggested.
We shot it with the .357 AEA Challenger at 300fpe and a .457 AEA Challenger at about 630fpe
The target was setup at 155 yards.

Enjoy

Wayne

 

[Therealld]

Here is the latest design of the Big Bore target that LD suggested.
We shot it with the .357 AEA Challenger at 300fpe and a .457 AEA Challenger at about 630fpe
The target was setup at 155 yards.

Enjoy

Wayne

D0ont give me that design credit, I just simplified it a little to increase reliability, but there are still too many parts and too much welded steel for my tastes. If it were my design it would be WAY siimpler!

LD