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Skout
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No need to argue about your corrected number. 0.050" lift coupled with a reasonable throat diameter is sufficient.
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Obviously, that valve cannot be adjusted for how m/s it will be open, but only its stroke can be adjusted!?
For that, you need to have a precise digital pressure gauge LP, and it would be good to have an HP because it can easily become an air pig...
For that, you need to have a precise digital pressure gauge LP, and it would be good to have an HP because it can easily become an air pig...
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According to Skout, the dwell is easily adjusted electronically. I changed the dwell on mine in about a minute, from 23 to 19 milliseconds.
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this will be really cool. Has anyone seen any good videos on the whole process yet? I thought they released the rest of the calibers this month. (Maybe I am mistaken)
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I used to play tourney paintball in the early 2000’s. Their guns had the electronic dwell adj on them back then. Was a pretty much leave it alone feature that did very little at least that was readily noticeable. Maybe the higher pressures and velocities of air rifles will change that but in the p ball guns everyone pretty much just left it alone. Only really needed to adjust regulators.
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It seemed evident that the dwell was too long on mine, and I could hear excessive air after the shot. It seems better with 4 milliseconds less dwell, but I don’t know much beyond that yet.
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Reg pressure is only a measurement, what quantifiable benefit does it provide? regular non-game changing airguns can do that already given long enough barrel and willingness to waste air. Can it be calculated to bar per shot per certain bottle size? Will it doubt my shot count with same amount of air? Is it more accurate? If it can repeatedly shoot better than 1/2 MOA then it is worth a look, the videos hasn't shown anything close to that. If it is more efficient then quantify it with measurable and calculable metrics that can noticeable to the owner of the gun.
At the end of the day a puff of air pushes a lead projectile down the barrel and onto whatever we want to hit. While Scout does it a little differently I still don't see how it changes my game of hitting the target in any sort of quantifiable ways:
- does it have more power with same barrel length like Impact, Panthera, Uragan2? no so far.
- Does it have new features like built in chrono to automatically adjust nest shot? Nope!
- Is it even semi/full auto? Nope and may semi/full auto already out
- Is it better at a cheaper price? Actually the opposite
- can it generate more power with shorter barrel? no
- is it more compact and lighter? that's a no also
I'm still puzzled by the "game changer" marketing term some people keep on touting, what game has it changed in any sort of measurable way that is beneficial to me?
EDIT: Sorry, left out a very obvious and measurable way Skout would change my airgun game: number of benjis have to leave my wallet….not quite the “game changer” I’m looking for.
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1-1000th of a mm=one micron, one meter=one million microns...1-10000th of a mm=.0001=one tenth of a micron...I ran a Micron through feed grinder for years could be adjusted .0001one tenth of a micron=one tenthousandth of a mm at a time but usually we went (half a micron)
0005micron/five tenthousands mm at a time for change in size to be noticed...using air guages or laser mics. .0001micron is basicly air molecules. This technology exists...what was stated could be done.
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Interesting, how does that fancy technology contribute to how I hit my target at 100-300 yards? Can it automatically adjust for that pesky wind that keeps on changing on me?
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Game changer.
That word / sentence are just one of many - many " kapow " words used over the years to sell stuff, for sure not something a sane person should pay much attention to.
In real life, the game change so slowly that no one notice, at least not before it is too late, once in a while most of us enable people that are well aware of this fact and use it to their own advantage.
That word / sentence are just one of many - many " kapow " words used over the years to sell stuff, for sure not something a sane person should pay much attention to.
In real life, the game change so slowly that no one notice, at least not before it is too late, once in a while most of us enable people that are well aware of this fact and use it to their own advantage.
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Any technology has a slow adoption curve then dramatically increases or changes the “game”.
Here are the “game changers” that directly impacted my “game” or how I shoot my airguns.
1. Slugs for airguns especially NSA. Consistently good quality and affordable, that enables me to shoot pass 80 yards, I regularly shoot steels out to 300 yards.
2. FX airguns ability to shoot NSA slugs with an inexpensive change of soda straw
3. Modern balanced valve created the power in FX and other airguns to have enough power to shoot slugs at a reasonable price
4. Side cocking lever to create more leverage when cocking guns with very stiff spring so the hammer can be lighter to use with modern valves like balanced or assisted valve that gives modern airgun airguns enough power and efficiency to shoot slugs.
The theme here for a “game changer” to me is dramatically better and/or cheaper for what airguns can do. Shooting 44 grain 30 cal pellet with 1-2 MOA accuracy at 100 yards can already done by many budget airguns well under 1000 dollars, AEA challenger is mere 400 dollars.
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The advantage to "that fancy technology" is a reduction in adverse reactive force (recoil), a substantial reduction in the amount of air needed to produce the desired velocity and a significant reduction in the amount of time you spend futzing (and fixing) your rifle. Better design means less to go awry, less maintenance and subsequently less down time. You don't need a fancy rifle to hit a target, you need a modicum of skill and while the tool doesn't promise that, it will enhance your chances of actually gaining some.
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In my years of working with / tuning of PCP air rifles, it has been generally found that small sips of HIGH pressure trend more efficient than larger sips of Low pressure.
Reading what we have been given so far .. it appears the SKOUT is operating sorta in the mid range of workable pressures. Well at least what there stating to date. If there balanced valve tech can run higher pressures and survive the cyclic seat beating is an unknown to us looking inward wondering ?
I will say that a fully PNEUMATIC balanced valve with differential pressure control is VERY intriguing ! The If or Not of such a systems stability over time & service requirement intervals make it viable is what I'm most watching.
Another is the O-RING sticksion issue there already saying is present and having some cold shot function in programming to overcome it.
* Having worked Extensively on JSAR architecture balanced valves and there Chronic affliction in having cold shot sticksion, have R&D'ed for my own use a complete redeign and materials change where the Dynamic sticksion cold shot issues are nearly non existent now.
But understand The JSAR & Cothrin balanced valves are mechanical in function being a conventional knock open poppet via a hammers impact.
This SKOUT system being used is a different animal completely and if or not they can mitigate enough drag from a stationary to dynamic motion seal / o-rings is going to be a good hat trick.
In there valve the motion of valve opening / closing is that of pressure differentials. Air is compressible & lets say elastic in nature
so with no solid mechanical created move / stop of the cyclic parts, getting pieces to precisely start & stop motion via air requires VERY LOW drag of all the parts in play.
The SKOUT team has MUCH experience in this field of pneumatic projectile systems !!!
Just my view & take RAMBLING on what we have seen thus far ... Simple forum conversation
Reading what we have been given so far .. it appears the SKOUT is operating sorta in the mid range of workable pressures. Well at least what there stating to date. If there balanced valve tech can run higher pressures and survive the cyclic seat beating is an unknown to us looking inward wondering ?
I will say that a fully PNEUMATIC balanced valve with differential pressure control is VERY intriguing ! The If or Not of such a systems stability over time & service requirement intervals make it viable is what I'm most watching.
Another is the O-RING sticksion issue there already saying is present and having some cold shot function in programming to overcome it.
* Having worked Extensively on JSAR architecture balanced valves and there Chronic affliction in having cold shot sticksion, have R&D'ed for my own use a complete redeign and materials change where the Dynamic sticksion cold shot issues are nearly non existent now.
But understand The JSAR & Cothrin balanced valves are mechanical in function being a conventional knock open poppet via a hammers impact.
This SKOUT system being used is a different animal completely and if or not they can mitigate enough drag from a stationary to dynamic motion seal / o-rings is going to be a good hat trick.
In there valve the motion of valve opening / closing is that of pressure differentials. Air is compressible & lets say elastic in nature
so with no solid mechanical created move / stop of the cyclic parts, getting pieces to precisely start & stop motion via air requires VERY LOW drag of all the parts in play.The SKOUT team has MUCH experience in this field of pneumatic projectile systems !!!
Just my view & take RAMBLING on what we have seen thus far ... Simple forum conversation
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To my original point: 44grain pellet at 880 fps shooting 1-2 MOA @100 yards, achieved by 400 dollar AEA challenger out of box. Please explain how Skout has changed any game besides requiring more benjis?
Yes, that gun has female voice talking to you. It certainly is a game changer if it starts to talk dirty to you……I’ll still pass at that price, but I’m cheap.
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My thoughs exactly but articulated much better
Also if a mechanical gun goes down it's easy to fix,...how do you fix this thing if it stops working ?
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As my Dad always professed, there's rump for every seat, that's why some folks choose to fly economy, others coach and a few 1st class. They all get to the same place, but its the experience that differs.
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Good, at least we agree that this is not a game changer like going form a bicycle to a Ferrari. Toyota vs Ferrari would be a good comparison, even on the same road at the same speed a Ferrari does have a different experience. Ferrari does make women talk dirty to you as supposed to not with Toyota Camry, hopefully you get that with the Skout.
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