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What springer did you shoot today?
- By .20calguy
- Traditional Airguns
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Greetings dormitionskete:Thank you! A friend bought us an Arken ELP4 6-24x50 scope when they were on sale, and although I love the view at 24x, I find I shoot better with it at 14-16x. Target acquisition and parallax adjustments are more forgiving, too. I think you shoot way better than me, and it helps to know it's not just me.
Much appreciated.
I have been shooting almost exclusively at 75-yards, from the shooting bags, and I set the scope for that distance at 24X. I don't need field of view for that set up as my target acquisition is within a 3x4 foot box. I basically set it and forget it..
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Say hello. What state or country are you from?
- By Bongoaro
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Hello! I've come to you from Australia.
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Springer vs. PCP
- By beerthief
- General Discussion
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Wonderful read over first coffee in the AM . ThankyouDang, you just proved that springers aren't accurate.
Excellent shooting mate.
Spot on! Field Target competitions is where I outshoot PCP's regularly. Should? Again, no because it's a different class... so why. Can they? Yep, they can. But since the proverbial devil is in the details, (H)FT isn't about hitting a 3mm 10-ring at 30 yards. The "hit" at (H)FT is generally substantially bigger than that at variable distances. That's where the challenge lies, not in static shooting (benchrest) hitting the same thing each and every time, which is for lazy people IMHO.
Not directly aimed at you @beerthief, but just in general. This whole discussion about accuracy in PCP's vs springers is getting up to a level that goes way beyond semantics or any other form of logic, or better yet, it's now at the pathetic level of: mine is bigger than yours. As long as you know how to use it correctly, the goal is to hit the right spot and trigger the happy-reaction, you can accomplish the same goals with both tools.
Also, those PCP fanboys are constantly changing the variables, like "distance" for instance. Rewind; at some point the question was "are springers accurate". Then someone introduced the "how accurate at 30 yards on a 3mm 10-ring" question. Then some of you changed the game by saying" try this at 50 yards, sure it won't be as accurate". The first variable was "is it accurate. Generally speaking you don't use springers for distances over 45 yards (in HFT and pest control, that's about the (ethical) max).
Try shooting accuratly at 300 yards with a PCP or springer. Because I can do that all day long with my Bleiker Sport II 6mm centerfire competition rifle, or my SIG 550 (my Stgw90 service rifle)! No comparison? Excactly, it has been said before, you can't integrally compare PCP's with springers, just like you can't compare PCP's with fire arms. But are they all accurate in their own respect? Yes, if you do your job, the rifle will follow. At (H)FT the target is bigger. Big enough for me to complete a whole track with a PCP or my tuned springer, without a miss. Is that accurate? I would say so. If you don't think that's accurate, you have some strange views on what is.
Or try to shoot this challenge with a PCP with scope, compared to shooting a PCP match rifle like my Feinwerkbau 800W at just 10 yards with open (diopter) sights. I dare you, I double dare you!
One 10-shot group from the prone position (no benchrest, bipod, sand bag or fixation of any kind, just the rifle in my hand).
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One 60-shot group, shot standing off-hand (no bench rest, what ever type of fixation, just the rifle laying in my hand.
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Both shot off-hand, one prone and one from the standing position. Again: NOT from a bench, sandbags, clamped in to something, no vices or bipods or anything else that fixates or rests the rifle. No, this is just old school off-hand shooting. If you can do this with any PCP that is not an ISSF 10-meter air rifle, we can talk further. Because this is "shooting accurately" at an Olympic level, hitting a 10 which is 0.5mm (or 0,019 inch for you Imperial dudes) each and every time.
Is that a fair game for you? I dare to say: probably not, because the definition of accuracy, the level of training you got, if you shoot on a (semi-)professional level, the equipment, the tuning (and ammo-testing and selection), the purpose of the rifle and the game you play, is what it all comes down to. Everything else is semantics. Oh, and yes, these targets above are mine, I shot them recently during a training session. The first prone, the second standing. Both off ye good old hand. </end-arrogance-and-irritation-mode>
Grüezi mitenand, as we say here.
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Say hello. What state or country are you from?
- By jimmantwo
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I am from/live in New Jersey - I think we can still get pellets shipped here but not much else
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