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Zulus non lrf
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What a wagon full of wonderfully wicked enablers here....!
We will wind up without a pretty penny to our name, wiped out financially....
But hey, we got airguns, scopes, air, and ammo!! We're good to go!!!
Matthias
PS: I don't know how many I have enabled here, but I will leave it at simply pleading guilty.
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Hatsan Factor Sniper Long
- By Racing
- PCP Airguns
- 6 Replies
Right.
The saga continues i´d say.
Issues?
Well, nothing to write home about really but.. more of pet peeves maybe.
As this thing is as long as it is i tried 3D printing a barrel band. More than anything to act as intended, a support for the rather long barrel.
No real issues from that to be honest, why i again wonder why the thing wasn´t so equipped from Hatsan.
Fact is, a more n more dominant feeling i´ve got as far as this pew is that it was put into market either to early or with a eff it kind of attitude as far as being "done".
The forgiving, important, trait i guess being that it actually shoots very very well. There´s no arguing that.
There´s a few of us that compare notes between us, as SL owners, and sorry to say we´ve arrived on about the same conclusions.
First up the adjustable reg pressure setup. To be blunt it´s just designed poorly. Very so even. ONE of the issues with it is that the bearing surface on the actual housing where it sits is simply to shallow.
The adjuster rides on that hole and as that adjuster is stiffer than you know what to turn, that brings that you "cock" the adjuster and as that happens (due to marginal lining area) the sealing o-ring will not only leak but almost rupture. At that rate it doesn´t exactly help that the "steel" involved seems to be recovered coke cans from far east Asia. Material is so soft that a snowball in hell has greater chances to survive unharmed.
Thus.
What at least i am going to do is turn me an insert for that there hole out of tool room steel and thread that thing in place once and for all. Will add an easy 10mm height to it vs stock, needed to make sure the adjuster can´t move around on radii to hearts desire.
Fed up with it?
Yes. My point here being that both that threaded sleeve and the adjuster that rides that hole will now be tool room steel and on WAY closer tolerances in an effort to be done with that there Mickey Mouse setup once and for all.
Truth of the matter is, as the adjuster is as hard to turn as it is do that like 4 times and the entire adjuster setup is skewed beyond control and needs to be replaced. This really is a poor solution and the bean counters at Hatsan needs to know this as far as i´m concerned.
Ditto.
As you´re aware i ripped the valve assy in two. Sure, i´m to blame to part here but.. issue is as it turns out i´m not the only one.
Those of you owning SL´s be warned, if you´re to fiddle around with trigger settings that brings undoing the grip frame and that in turn means removing the reinforcing bracket that runs between the reg housing and the grip frame.
This leaves the valve assy to be held in place by a few mere allen stop screw and the mere truth is that this doesn´t suffice to keep the valve assy on there.
Due this my take at least is that any SL owner that wants to really dwell on trigger adjustments, remove the entire HPA side of the gun completely.
In essence just to rather be safe than sorry.
Then.
No doubt a very very long gun. As i shoot this thing from a bi-pod only the heft and length doesn´t really matter all that much when shooting. However, touting the thing around turns just silly.
I run a 220mm LDC out front (which is direly needed to cope with taming the bark of this thing as power goes up) and this of course add to the situation.
So.
What´s the remedy?
First up i´d say is the install of a hinge to make the stock foldable and such a solution exists as it turns out. Was basically going through FX´s offerings as far as spares and what not when i noticed the hinged setup for the Dreamline.
This sports the "standard" AR threads why it will work on basically anything AR stocked.
Stock as much as half way extended brings a total length of this thing of 149cm. Insane.
Well. The FX offering isn´t overly expensive to be honest (like 70€) and makes for an absolute WORLD of difference. Adjusted correctly any and all slop is just plain out and with the stock folded away per the pic above we´re talking 118cm.
That´s a rather profound difference to say as it is and i for one feel the gun really should have been so equipped as it left the factory.
So?
This a lot of critique isn´t it?
Maybe so, but if the intent on Hatsans account was to improve their rep they crashed n burned miserably IMO and the sad part is that the major part of this could have been easily avoided if they really would have put their hearts to it.
Instead these guns will HAVE to end up in the hands of us that first up know our way around pcp´s and second up carry heavy machinery of some kind.
This to iron out the issues these guns got BUT...
That done a different picture evolves.
Yes. The unit is still extremely long and carries the heft that goes with that but.. what comes out the other end is a rather powerful (at wish) 25cal pcp that leaves a LOT of other guns behind in the dust IMO.
Worth the effort?
Well, yeah. I´d actually say that it is. Just be prepared for somewhat of a wild ride getting there.
The saga continues i´d say.
Issues?
Well, nothing to write home about really but.. more of pet peeves maybe.
As this thing is as long as it is i tried 3D printing a barrel band. More than anything to act as intended, a support for the rather long barrel.
No real issues from that to be honest, why i again wonder why the thing wasn´t so equipped from Hatsan.
Fact is, a more n more dominant feeling i´ve got as far as this pew is that it was put into market either to early or with a eff it kind of attitude as far as being "done".
The forgiving, important, trait i guess being that it actually shoots very very well. There´s no arguing that.
There´s a few of us that compare notes between us, as SL owners, and sorry to say we´ve arrived on about the same conclusions.
First up the adjustable reg pressure setup. To be blunt it´s just designed poorly. Very so even. ONE of the issues with it is that the bearing surface on the actual housing where it sits is simply to shallow.
The adjuster rides on that hole and as that adjuster is stiffer than you know what to turn, that brings that you "cock" the adjuster and as that happens (due to marginal lining area) the sealing o-ring will not only leak but almost rupture. At that rate it doesn´t exactly help that the "steel" involved seems to be recovered coke cans from far east Asia. Material is so soft that a snowball in hell has greater chances to survive unharmed.
Thus.
What at least i am going to do is turn me an insert for that there hole out of tool room steel and thread that thing in place once and for all. Will add an easy 10mm height to it vs stock, needed to make sure the adjuster can´t move around on radii to hearts desire.
Fed up with it?
Yes. My point here being that both that threaded sleeve and the adjuster that rides that hole will now be tool room steel and on WAY closer tolerances in an effort to be done with that there Mickey Mouse setup once and for all.
Truth of the matter is, as the adjuster is as hard to turn as it is do that like 4 times and the entire adjuster setup is skewed beyond control and needs to be replaced. This really is a poor solution and the bean counters at Hatsan needs to know this as far as i´m concerned.
Ditto.
As you´re aware i ripped the valve assy in two. Sure, i´m to blame to part here but.. issue is as it turns out i´m not the only one.
Those of you owning SL´s be warned, if you´re to fiddle around with trigger settings that brings undoing the grip frame and that in turn means removing the reinforcing bracket that runs between the reg housing and the grip frame.
This leaves the valve assy to be held in place by a few mere allen stop screw and the mere truth is that this doesn´t suffice to keep the valve assy on there.
Due this my take at least is that any SL owner that wants to really dwell on trigger adjustments, remove the entire HPA side of the gun completely.
In essence just to rather be safe than sorry.
Then.
No doubt a very very long gun. As i shoot this thing from a bi-pod only the heft and length doesn´t really matter all that much when shooting. However, touting the thing around turns just silly.
I run a 220mm LDC out front (which is direly needed to cope with taming the bark of this thing as power goes up) and this of course add to the situation.
So.
What´s the remedy?
First up i´d say is the install of a hinge to make the stock foldable and such a solution exists as it turns out. Was basically going through FX´s offerings as far as spares and what not when i noticed the hinged setup for the Dreamline.
This sports the "standard" AR threads why it will work on basically anything AR stocked.
Stock as much as half way extended brings a total length of this thing of 149cm. Insane.
Well. The FX offering isn´t overly expensive to be honest (like 70€) and makes for an absolute WORLD of difference. Adjusted correctly any and all slop is just plain out and with the stock folded away per the pic above we´re talking 118cm.
That´s a rather profound difference to say as it is and i for one feel the gun really should have been so equipped as it left the factory.
So?
This a lot of critique isn´t it?
Maybe so, but if the intent on Hatsans account was to improve their rep they crashed n burned miserably IMO and the sad part is that the major part of this could have been easily avoided if they really would have put their hearts to it.
Instead these guns will HAVE to end up in the hands of us that first up know our way around pcp´s and second up carry heavy machinery of some kind.
This to iron out the issues these guns got BUT...
That done a different picture evolves.
Yes. The unit is still extremely long and carries the heft that goes with that but.. what comes out the other end is a rather powerful (at wish) 25cal pcp that leaves a LOT of other guns behind in the dust IMO.
Worth the effort?
Well, yeah. I´d actually say that it is. Just be prepared for somewhat of a wild ride getting there.
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Hornets nest
- By lbc_PSI
- General Discussion
- 145 Replies
Place a cheap steak on top of that box and wait for them to land. Pick ‘‘em off one by one from a safe distance.Ball facred hornets are definitely evil bastards. I still have work to do killing this nest. It is full of rubber mulch, so I have been putting off death with FIRE. Lol,4 cans in and those turds are still flying around. They kicked my ass once already, damn terrorist still have my hat held capture as well.
Make lemonade out of lemons.
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AirMaks Arms Airmaks Katran/BRK pathfinder - Airgun euphoria
- By SMH
- PCP Airguns
- 15 Replies
I’ve had several of them and had already figured it out, but this Katran definitely solidified that.I've got enough birds down here, I can hardly keep up with the iguanas.
@SMH you are now hooked on CZ for life bud
Having said that, a lot of my Daystate and BRK rifles have been lasers too.
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What did you do airgun related today.
- By Vana2
- General Discussion
- 2717 Replies
Was messing with the factory tune on my FX Royale 500 just tweaking the hammer spring settings a bit today.
The factory did a good job putting JSB Kings (25.39 gr) just off the knee averaging 888 fps, ES around 8 fps with 1/2 to 5/8 inch (ctc), 5 shot groups at 40 yards. The PCP falls off the reg at 120 bar.
A slight increase to 904 fps dropped the ES to 3 fps and the one group I shot was 3/8 inch ctc.
Looking encouraging
Will do some more testing at that setting to see of it's consistent.
The factory did a good job putting JSB Kings (25.39 gr) just off the knee averaging 888 fps, ES around 8 fps with 1/2 to 5/8 inch (ctc), 5 shot groups at 40 yards. The PCP falls off the reg at 120 bar.
A slight increase to 904 fps dropped the ES to 3 fps and the one group I shot was 3/8 inch ctc.
Looking encouraging
Will do some more testing at that setting to see of it's consistent.
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My adventure using a RAW HM1000X for NRL22
- By scotton
- PRS & NRL22
- 48 Replies
I did some more tuning yesterday to see if a lower speed node would group better at 50 yards. This months course of fire has a lot of small targets from 43 to 65 yards, so I want to focus on the closer shots even if I give up a little accuracy at 100 yards.
My method was to start at the most recent tune (180 bar, 1 1/4 hammer spring out from lock up) and shoot 5 shots, then turn the hammer spring out half a turn and shoot another group, etc. I went from 1001 fps down to 925 fps. At 925 fps, the groups really opened up and the SD and ES got pretty bad, so I clearly wasn't getting full air from the valve. So I have my floor and my ceiling. There was a promising group at 960 fps, some from 925 I went up a quarter of a turn on the hammer spring and shot groups until something interesting happened. Around 940 to 960 I started seeing some good groups, but everything over 950 produced flyers. I narrowed it down to 944 FPS, which is 2 3/8 turns out from lock up, or 1 complete turn out from the 1001 fps tune.
At 100 yards, the group was fine, .2 or .3 mils lower than the high speed tune. I think the higher speed tune was a little tighter, but it's good enough for 2.5" targets at 100 yards. If I decide to stay with this lower speed tune, I'll probably turn the reg down a little to get more shots per fill.
I messed around with painting the bases of some slugs to make them more visible in flight. I took some crappy slugs and painted the bases with pearly white nail polish. Then I painted over half of the pearly whites with hooker red (actually it's "Holiday Red", but if you see this at a Christmas party, it will probably be worn by a hooker). I loaded alternating colors in a mag and shot at a dirt berm at 100 yards. The pearly whites were very visible at 12X, the red slugs were not visible at all. So I painted the bases on some of my good slugs with pearly white, next time I go to the range I'll mix some painted slugs in and make sure they group the same.
I also did a little scope swap. My rimfire rifle has been having a weird .3-.5 POI shift after 4 or 5 stages in the last 4 matches. It's either the scope, rings, base, ammo or gun. So to try to figure it out, I put the Tract Toric on the rimfire rifle and the Athlon Midas Tac on the RAW. I also put my big Discovery on my RPR to use as a loaner at my next match. I got everything sighted in with the new glass at 25 yards, and the RAW had a much tighter group than the Bergara or RPR, even with the high speed tune and the slugs that aren't it's favorite. No real commentary on this, I just thought it was weird.
Next step will be more fine tuning at 944ish fps. And apparently I have to shoot field target in a couple of weeks so I need to figure out a gun. I'll probably put the .177 barrel in the Avenge X with the Falcon T50 and shoot Hunter. Or maybe the HW97 WFTF. Nah, it's going to be hot as balls, I don't need to be wearing a jacket or shooting a springer.
Here's a photo of the groups from tuning the H&N Precisions and a photo of the sight in mag dump at 25 yards.
My method was to start at the most recent tune (180 bar, 1 1/4 hammer spring out from lock up) and shoot 5 shots, then turn the hammer spring out half a turn and shoot another group, etc. I went from 1001 fps down to 925 fps. At 925 fps, the groups really opened up and the SD and ES got pretty bad, so I clearly wasn't getting full air from the valve. So I have my floor and my ceiling. There was a promising group at 960 fps, some from 925 I went up a quarter of a turn on the hammer spring and shot groups until something interesting happened. Around 940 to 960 I started seeing some good groups, but everything over 950 produced flyers. I narrowed it down to 944 FPS, which is 2 3/8 turns out from lock up, or 1 complete turn out from the 1001 fps tune.
At 100 yards, the group was fine, .2 or .3 mils lower than the high speed tune. I think the higher speed tune was a little tighter, but it's good enough for 2.5" targets at 100 yards. If I decide to stay with this lower speed tune, I'll probably turn the reg down a little to get more shots per fill.
I messed around with painting the bases of some slugs to make them more visible in flight. I took some crappy slugs and painted the bases with pearly white nail polish. Then I painted over half of the pearly whites with hooker red (actually it's "Holiday Red", but if you see this at a Christmas party, it will probably be worn by a hooker). I loaded alternating colors in a mag and shot at a dirt berm at 100 yards. The pearly whites were very visible at 12X, the red slugs were not visible at all. So I painted the bases on some of my good slugs with pearly white, next time I go to the range I'll mix some painted slugs in and make sure they group the same.
I also did a little scope swap. My rimfire rifle has been having a weird .3-.5 POI shift after 4 or 5 stages in the last 4 matches. It's either the scope, rings, base, ammo or gun. So to try to figure it out, I put the Tract Toric on the rimfire rifle and the Athlon Midas Tac on the RAW. I also put my big Discovery on my RPR to use as a loaner at my next match. I got everything sighted in with the new glass at 25 yards, and the RAW had a much tighter group than the Bergara or RPR, even with the high speed tune and the slugs that aren't it's favorite. No real commentary on this, I just thought it was weird.
Next step will be more fine tuning at 944ish fps. And apparently I have to shoot field target in a couple of weeks so I need to figure out a gun. I'll probably put the .177 barrel in the Avenge X with the Falcon T50 and shoot Hunter. Or maybe the HW97 WFTF. Nah, it's going to be hot as balls, I don't need to be wearing a jacket or shooting a springer.
Here's a photo of the groups from tuning the H&N Precisions and a photo of the sight in mag dump at 25 yards.
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