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My crosman 1701P in .177 with scope and from a support will cut cards on edge every shot with wadcutters at 30 feet.

Berserkeley Mike said:

Mr. Nelson, sir, I wish you a long and enjoyable retirement!
I have twelve airgun-specific NOE molds. They bring me great enjoyment in casting and in appreciating how projectiles fly.
Be well, sir!

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One of the reasons Al is retiring is his health.

like.2.fly...... you just got the best advice you can get, and you got it from ranchibi and motorhead

I have a number of PCPs as well as springers. Good marksmanship needs to be developed and practiced regardless of what you shoot. I disagree with many who say you need to hold a springer a certain way (artillery hold) to get them to shoot well. I never use that and my springers are exceedingly accurate as long as I am consistent the way I hold it and align the sights. Again, practice, practice. Fortunately for new shooters like you there are good shooting rifles in each category that won't break the bank. PCPs are easier to shoot, but as you say, you need all the support equipment that goes along with those. If you don't want to go that route, but just dip your toe in the airgun waters, buy a good quality springer, and not a cheap one. Any HW model is a good choice. For around $400 you can get an HW30 or HW50. If you want more power, then for $100 more get an HW95. A Diana 34 has a good reputation as well. These shoot pretty well out of the box, but later, you many want to improve their behavior or change power levels with a spring kit/tune. If you have any mechanical skills you can do it yourself. There are also plenty of Youtube videos describing how to do this. Don't get sucked into the magnum idea. A good accurate rifle shooting 12 to 20 fpe will do what you are intending.

Also, there are good used rifles on the market as well. Check the classifieds on this forum and what the dealers have availble. AOA has a good selection and they test each rifle before shipping to you. Happy shooting.

Yep, I have I fondly dubbed "FooManChew".

Northern Lower Michigan

I like the bottom rail however for that price I’d think it be offered anodized.
Not a fan of the double magazines asthetically

like.2.fly said:

Is there a big difference in sound level between various PCP's? Which ones are considered among the most quiet?

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Yes there is, ones with a baffeled shroud combined with a moderator that has baffels are going to be really silent. Not all PCP's come that way. I have a Taiapn Veteran 2 that has a baffeled shroud with an add on moderator that makes it very quiet. AGT, Taipan, FX and some others come with shrouds and or moderators that make their report on the quiet side. Smaller calibers will be more quiet than larger calibers.

Thanks I did look it up at least I know what I have. It does shoot fairly accurate may keep it for something to work on these cold rainy nights

bchannell said:

I had to go look, but sure enough, mine's updated also, and I had no idea it did it ???

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Yes you have to be carful or it will update when connected to your phone. I made effort to not have it do so prior to today.
Updated mine today as it seems from what a few of you say anyway, it's a good update.

I purchased mine solely because of the Chassis that can be adjusted for my weird body dimensions and ergonomics........RAW's wood stocks are gorgeous!

100 yd bench centers on 11"x14"

Ranchibi said:

Accuracy with a springer takes a lot of practice, especially with hold. With PCP's it's usually on the shooter for pin point accuracy. If your budget allows, I would go the PCP route, much more enjoyable shooting and accuracy wise as well as a mode quiet report with a moderator.

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Is there a big difference in sound level between various PCP's? Which ones are considered among the most quiet?

Rolland said:

Which is ???

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If you a search on that, you'll find a ton of info on that gun. It's an inexpensive chinese airgun. There are lots and lots of them around.

Cheers,

J~

Shot three different pellets through the Zelos today. The top row is FX 25.39, followed by JTS Dead Center 25.39. The third tachycardic row is Olympia Domes XL Middle 25gr, the worst tin of pellets I’ve ever used. Full of lead shavings in the tin. The yellow highlighted row was where I was aiming.
I shot the Wildcat and the Crown in the following rows, hitting the reg on both guns. Both shot the FX 25.39. (.25 cals at 20 yards.)

Accuracy with a springer takes a lot of practice, especially with hold. With PCP's it's usually on the shooter for pin point accuracy. If your budget allows, I would go the PCP route, much more enjoyable shooting and accuracy wise as well as a more quiet report with a moderator.

JW. said:

Well a 25cal is unethical for water buffalo...

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You are just being silly . Every hunter decides for themselves what is sporting and what is not and what is ethical and what is not. Your springs guns, none of them, meet my criteria no matter how much you whine about my choices. They are my choices. You do you. I will do me. Springer vs PCP, no contest. Make mine PCP, I have no use for springer guns.

Avator said:

Industry Brand B-3

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Out West, Central Utah

One of the best places to find these are Thrift stores or Habilitat restore shops.

Leaderboard Submission:
Date: 7/29/25
Target: 30-Challenge 197 14X
Rifle: Daystate Huntsman Regal (Huma reg installed)
Pellet: AEA 15.9g @ 812fps
Scope: Athlon Midas Tac FFP 6x24 @ 24X

I did some pellet testing with the Regal this morning: JSB 13.43g, JSB 14.35g, FX 15.9g and AEA 15.9g.

The Regal always does great with JSB/FX 15.89 and 18.13. During the testing I noted that the AEA was slightly better - especially less vertical dispersion.

I chronoed 40 shots with the AEA 15.9. All shots were between 810 and 814 fps - a 4 fps extreme spread. That's likely the reason for the very tight vertical.

So far the only AEA pellet that I haven't found to perform as well as JSB/FX or better is the .22 caliber 21.9g. Perhaps I'll try it at a few different velocities - mostly been at 900fps with various barrels with the 21.9s.

This 197 slightly betters my previous 196 15X with this rifle.

-Ed

Industry Brand B-3

JW. said:

Well a 25cal is unethical for water buffalo...

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shot placement shot placement!