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Mark B · Jul 24, 2025

I'm new to air rifles. Had a Slavia 618 breakbarrel as a kid looong ago. Shot many handguns over the years, and the F-15's M61A1 20mm gun for 3+ years in Okinawa. Now retired, I'm interested in getting rid of some pesky squirrels.

Learning to shoot lefty is not an option due to a slight defect on my left retina, even though it is my dominant eye. And using a traditional scope is a one-eye process as well, which won't work for me. I need to use both eyes, ergo a red-dot. I became reasonably good with handguns using a red-dot sight and both eyes. However I've been told by some knowledgeable airgunners that gas ram and spring piston rifles will destroy a red-dot.

So I'm looking for suggestions, maybe some combinations, from you dedicated airgunners. The red-dot I have is a Holosun 403B. I want a quality rifle and was considering a breakbarrel Weihrauch. I'd also like something mid-sized that my grandson could learn. Not a big fan of the extra equipment required of PCP or CO2 but these damn squirrels may dictate otherwise. Thanks in advance for your input.

zerochance · Jul 24, 2025

JaceSpace1369 said:
Thanks!

@Bladebum you likely, do you have to have the regulator around one hundred and fifty bar, but also play with the valve settings and see what you get

I didn’t touch my valve setting. I‘m not sure if Tony from Talon Airguns does when he tunes Airguns Airguns.

nervoustrig · Jul 24, 2025

It means the hammer spring tension is set a bit too light.

As the pressure declines, the hammer is able to more easily knock the valve open.

r1lover · Jul 24, 2025

Yup, flies are fun. I when I had access to a 75 foot long back yard with a dog I used to shoot in the mornings a lot. For some reason when the sun came over the roof and hit the paper targets the flies would gravitate to the paper. It was pretty routine to splatter them with a FWB300S RT.

Oswald · Jul 24, 2025

Hello,
I am in search of a front sight for a 1995 vintage Diana 34.

The sight on my friends rifle has gone missing and he wants to use it with the original sight configuration.

Any assistance in finding one or any information about another brand that would fit this barrel sight groove would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike

r1lover · Jul 24, 2025

Mycapt65 said:
This morning I shot my first Weihrauch. My 177 Hw95. I ran Five different tins of pellets through it with zero scope reticle adjustments.
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It shot this target of five shot groups at 25 yards.
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The worst group could be covered with a dime ctc.
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After each set groups at 25 yards I shot two groups at 50 yards.
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Two groups could be covered ctc with a quarter. Two ctc with a dime and one completely coverd with a dime.
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I don't think I could do this well with any other air rifle I own. Especially across so many different pellets.

Thanks for letting me show off.

Be well
Ron

Ron, nice groups, especially with the FX. You'd be a serious field target competitor with those. I am surprised the FTT's didn't do better. Have you already determined your gun prefers 4.52?

Iowa Airgunner · Jul 24, 2025

cavedweller said:
@Iowa Airgunner For this particular test we only need "one" card shot at 55 yards with "each" gun.
This test is about how well the various guns we use will group at our maximum field target range.
Many many guns will do okay out to 30 yards. Of course if your just shooting for your own info that is cool too. But it will be easier to wade through and collate data from a single card/target at one distance rather than multiple.

I understand that. The problem is the cheapest gun has a LOOONG single stage trigger and it is a springer . The HFT has an 8oz trigger and zero recoil. I have difficulty going from one gun to the next. I ll only show the last card or the best card from each gun.

dan_house · Jul 24, 2025

Iowa Ag... good test, and I get where your going

Id like to see that test shot again, AFTER the guns have been setting in direct sunlight for an hour in 95 degree heat.....

Trucker3573 · Jul 24, 2025

g-unit said:
Thanks! I’ll reach out to AoA. And I’ll post a WTB once I am able to. I think I need to wait ten days after becoming a member.

Yeah 10 days and 10 meaningful posts. You want what you want and that is 100% ok

GerryR · Jul 24, 2025

bigHUN said:
5 microns under size of grooves is OK and no blow by, but 5 microns over size is not OK.
Choked barrels a bit more complicated.

Are you sure you haven't mis-stated the units. 1 micron= 0.00003937in., so 5 microns =0.00019685in. (maybe 50 microns?) I doubt anyone molds to those tolerances, or sizes the slugs or pellets afterwards. The .22 sizer I have is 0.2245; I have to push the HAWKi pellets through, but the Apolo pellets just fall through; That's why I'm "wondering" how the Apolos will shoot. Soon to find out!

humbled.ag · Jul 24, 2025

At this point you can just tell us what happens considering nearly every target resembles these ones regardless of projectile. Keep up the good work Mike.

Footloose · Jul 24, 2025

I bought the Bone Collector mainly because It looks the part + It was on sale , after fettling with the trigger the gun Is stacking pellets about 1"1/2 at 30yrds not broken in yet so not to shabby . The main con It the magazine although I'm seating the pellets well Into the mag on cocking the gun It was throwing the pellets out of the mag resulting In a dry fire not sure If this Is a common problem or not , anyway great customer service from Gamo new mag on the way lets hope that solves the problem .

Happy shooting .

ocdairgunner · Jul 24, 2025

Trampus99 said:
ODC what did you end up finding out on this? Mine is doing the same thing except dropping from 900 fps to about 700 for a few shots?

@Trampus99

It turned out to be a combination of properly aligning the probe and dialing in the right tune. That not only eliminated the random FPS drops but also resolved the low FPS issue on the first shot after the gun had sat for several hours or overnight.

In my case, after correcting the probe alignment and timing based on the video in post #13, I focused on refining my tune. Since I'm shooting .30 cal, the most critical factors were ensuring the hammer weight was correct (12 grams), the hammer was polished, and that hammer spring (HS) tuning was carefully balanced with the second regulator.

Currently, my second reg is set at 120 bar and the first at 145 bar. This setup allows the 600mm barrel to push 44.75gr JSBs at 895 FPS. My tuning process was as follows:

Set both regulators to the values above.
Turn the power wheel to 7.
Turn the HS screw all the way in.
Slowly back the HS screw out (counterclockwise) until velocity stopped increasing — in my case, this was around 915–920 FPS.
Then I turned the HS screw clockwise in small increments until I settled at 895 FPS.

Once satisfied, I filled the bottle to 250 bar and shot 4 mags (52 pellets) to record a full string. The extreme spread was just 9 FPS with no erratic drops like before.

To test the cold shot issue, I let the gun sit overnight, then chrono'd the first shot the next day. It clocked in at 893 FPS — right on target. I fired another 30 shots and recorded a 6 FPS extreme spread. I've repeated this test multiple times after letting the gun sit for a day or more, and the consistency has been spot-on every time — no more erratic low first shots.

I hope this helps you resolve your issue as well. I was concerned that the regulator might need to be rebuilt but so far everything is holding up well.

cavedweller · Jul 24, 2025

Bramezy said:
Ok, here is some info I did last night shooting a lower end gun and a high end gun (which may be for sale).
First gun is a Marauder with a LW barrel and a Hawke Sidewinder SFP Scope. Retail is about $1300 combined.
Second gun is a Daystate RedWolf and a Hawke Sidewinder scope. Retail is about $3700.

Here is the main target sheet. Shot at 50yds since thats what is available to me from a bench. Had some times of very light wind. Some groups I waited while others I didn't.
The marauder is on the lower portion and the RW on the upper portions.
The best groups from the Marauder were Benjamin 10.5gr on a cleaned barrel and measured about 3/4". The RW was also the Benjis and JSB 13RD at 3/4" with JSB 10,3gr about the same. Seems to be about the best I can do with these guns. I have others that are more accurate at times. Surprisingly the cheapest pellets hung closely behind being the Crosman Premiers 10.5gr in the RW and the Marauder. The best group of the session was a 12fpe RW group with QYS at .16" at 50yds. Guess the RW only likes lower power! Now if I can just figure out how to get it to shoot like that on higher power id be happy.
Marauder Benjis (870fps) - .73"
RW Benjis (890fps) - .6" Dirty Barrel and 925fps .46" Clean Barrel - liked pushing them faster but still feel its not tight enough.
RW Crosman Premiers (890ish fps) - .61"
RW 13gr RD (815fps) - .65"
RW 8gr QYS 810fps - .16"

I may test indoors next and can do 55yds for only the RW. For the money, I am NOT happy with this gun. Maybe my expectations are too high?

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Perfect.... it was super helpful the way you listed the essential info up front at the top as i'm terrible at wading through targets.

JaceSpace1369 · Jul 24, 2025

zerochance said:
Yes, my Krait Standard (400mm barrel) in .22, I am shooting 21gr H&N HP Slugs at 905fps. My reg is set at 125BAR and I am getting 45 full regulated shots from 275BAR down to 130BAR. If I fill up to 300BAR, for sure 50+ shots.

Thanks!

@Bladebum you likely, do you have to have the regulator around one hundred and fifty bar, but also play with the valve settings and see what you get

pat585 · Jul 24, 2025

Agreed. Too hot to do anything outside today, so I decided to shoot down my Pup to get an idea of where my reg is at. I started at 1500 bar at 664 fps. It stayed fairly consistent until I got to 750 bar with 73 shots & then it started climbing to 700 fps? Why is it climbing at the end of the string?

humbled.ag · Jul 24, 2025

Averaged out it's daily. Mostly testing but also practice. I shoot at field target matches 2-3 times a month.

humbled.ag · Jul 24, 2025

I'll help out using my Air Arms TX200. Average cost is $850. I spent $650 at an auction and have a custom stock I'm working on for it. The scope is a Sightron S8, which retails for $2899 when I received it, but is now $3229.99. It doesn't need that much scope but it works very well.

Moving on, I'm sighting it in after work for new clicks. I'm shooting off the knee and will take ten shot groups at 10yds, 30yds and 55yds.

zerochance · Jul 24, 2025

Yes, my Krait Standard (400mm barrel) in .22, I am shooting 21gr H&N HP Slugs at 905fps. My reg is set at 125BAR and I am getting 45 full regulated shots from 275BAR down to 130BAR. If I fill up to 300BAR, for sure 50+ shots.

cavedweller · Jul 24, 2025

Iowa Airgunner said:
This is a separate thread from the original Field target is an arms race thread.
I did not want to jack that thread.

This is a test of four rifles of different price points. They are all completely different in the way they shoot. But all have the same job.

I have been shooting field target for a long time and have been in a national competition. Three of these guns have been used in competition. All have done very well.

The price of the guns and scope range from 250, 500, 1000, 2000.

All of these guns are modified and tuned specifically for field target competition.

Gun one is a Browning Leverage with a 4-12 UTG scope. It is tuned by the spring and trigger work. It shoots 8.4 @850 fps

Gun two is a Diana 48 tuned to 18 ft lb with a 6-16 UTG scope shooting 8.4 @ 900 fps

Gun three is a TX200mk III with a 5.5-25 scope shooting 8.4 @ 800 fps . This is a 12 ft lb gun

Gun four is an HFT-500 that is highly modified by a professional and shot in competition by a professional. It is temporarily fitted with a 10-40x56 scope and is shooting 10.3 @850 FPS

For this test I am going to shoot all the guns with the scope set to 16 x

I’m going to be shooting from a bench at a 5.5x5.5 target card with a 3/8 circle in the center of the card. I will be shooting ten shot groups using the center ring as an aim point.

All the testing cannot be done at one time. Tonight I will shoot the 15 yards test . Then the longer range test when I get to the range over the weekend.

The first test is from a bench mostly indoors.
10 yards inside my shop and 5 yards outside.

I will shoot three cards with each gun. And select the best one. They all have such completely different triggers and require specific shooting requirements. But I know these guns. I’ll do my best.

The next test will be at 25 yards. And then 55 yards . I can say all are capable of hitting a 1 inch spinner at 55 yards so it should be fun to see the group size. The HFT can easily hit a 6mm rod at that distance.

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@Iowa Airgunner For this particular test we only need "one" card shot at 55 yards with "each" gun.
This test is about how well the various guns we use will group at our maximum field target range.
Many many guns will do okay out to 30 yards. Of course if your just shooting for your own info that is cool too. But it will be easier to wade through and collate data from a single card/target at one distance rather than multiple.

Croxton63 · Jul 24, 2025

Kgphotos said:
What benefits did you find by adding the TBT kit? I recently bought an HW50 .177 with the idea in mind to put in a TBT kit. My goal is to actually drop the power to about 10 fpe and end up with a slightly bigger, heavier magnum version of an HW30. I already have an HW30 that I really like so this would just be a fun project. Thanks,
Kenny

It’s a bit quieter, I don’t have the skills or experience to say much beyond that. If I hold the gun consistently I can achieve same hole groups at 25 yards. However, I am not skilled or calm enough to keep it up.

Massiemax · Jul 24, 2025

bernieorosz said:
No. Just normal shooting. I never shoot real fast even when I had my Hubens.

Ok-just checking to see if I had the same issue but doesn’t seem so. I only had an issue when trying to get more than 2 shots within one second-too fast for the valve to fill

Bowenb5 · Jul 24, 2025

This listing has been renewed

g-unit · Jul 24, 2025

Thanks! I’ll reach out to AoA. And I’ll post a WTB once I am able to. I think I need to wait ten days after becoming a member.

Struckat · Jul 24, 2025

Are there any made in the US? I don’t think so.

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