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Looking to get into the hobby

Welcome to your nightmare. Before you do anything else hand all of your credit cards to a trusted family member who can’t be intimidated. If I understand correctly, you are on 30 acres so no neighbors close by. For smaller pests I would get a .22 or .25. I have a Gauntlet and Gauntlet 2 in .25 that I would feel comfortable using on an armadillo at 50 yards, max. Any further and for bigger animals like a hog and I would insist on a centerfire in 30 caliber or bigger. There are others here who will disagree but my experience with powder burners and more limited experience with airguns makes me want more power than I think I’ll need.

Rick H.

FT & JSB 13.43's?

You are still limited to 20 fpe regardless of the power capabilities of your rifle. If you use 13.4 gr pellets, you are limited to 805 fps. 10.3 or 8.4 a lot higher with flatter trajectory. It’s a matter of choice depending on your rifle and your marksmanship skills. Besides, who cares as long as the target falls?
Actually, the formula typically used gives you 820 fps for 20 FPE using the 13.4 gr pellet. In the Grand Prix competitions there is a 2% allowance on velocity to allow for different chronograph types the shooter might have calibrated to and the official one at the match. This means that you could go as high as 836 fps. Though if you shot that over the chrony at a match the Marshal would likely have you shoot several more to make sure your average wasn't above 836.

The reality is that a 10 fps difference in velocity is what most of us would like to get as an ES for a shot string. And it would not make that much difference on your score as the KZ size is such you don't have to hit a 2.5mm x (as in BR target shooting) to knock over the target. Wind holds and ranging are much bigger factors IMHO.

Cheers,
Greg

Shooting Airgun in residential neighbourhood

It can happen in an instant. The ordinance of your local. I live in Arkansas. Used to be a state where anything looking left / got the finger fast. 5 years and 3 liberal mayors. NOW, I get the cops called on me every single time I load up for the gun club or public shooting range. The officers know what's going on. They are "duty bound" and they know I know this. We wave "HI" to one another as they drive bye: everytime. As it stands I have concrete position legally. If I'm in the confines of my domicile they have ZERO legal authority to make me desist. So I make due with my garage range when weather keeps me from shooting. At our last city open council I itemized the cost anyone would face trying to bring false claims and the cost of forensically challenging an individual in the courts. min...25K or better with legal fee's and lab testing and legal expert giving testimony. All our family units grew up and left leaving nothing but hr. rate pay boat making positions and single parent fallouts to take up the vacuum. Hence why the left walked right in and changed. Soooo, to sum up I still get to shoot here as long as nothing leaves.

Taipan  Taipan Slash first tuning report.

The general design of the Slash magazines is excellent and the magazine safety is secure. They are made of machined metal and better than I'd expected. The pellet magazines worked with the dozen or so pellets I tried, in the sense that pellets were securely held in place once the edge of the skirt was caught under the little retaining ball.

I wasn't sure what to expect from shooting slugs. My limited prior experience with them involved wasted time and money compared to pellets. The 48g H&N slug developed the most power of the ammo tested at 185 Bar (85.8fpe) out of the 420mm barrel, and was still only going at 900f/s while all of the pellets were over 1000f/s. Those particular slugs seemed to work fine when shot through the pellet magazine and they didn't protrude or jam the rotation. Some companies offer specialty slugs in various diameters and weights so it isn't hard to determine what slugs works correctly and best for the standard power band available with the shorter 420mm barrel.

If it had one of those optional super-power kits installed in it (I don't remember seeing those kits mentioned in the advance ads) then I'm not sure what kinds of slugs you'd be able to shoot out of it and still keep the velocity subsonic under 1,100f/s. I don't hunt so I'd rather be able to tune down from 80 fpe to 20 fpe for target practice, like on the Huben K1, than be locked into one of three general Slash power ranges which don't allow as wide a variation. Though without having either of the new Slash power kits to test it's hard to predict the actual power range and ammo weights best suited.

The variation in shot power caused by adjusting the regulator from 125 Bar to 185 Bar was an increase of about 20fpe for the 48g slugs (from ~65fpe to ~86fpe) and an increase of about 17fpe for pellets (~60fpe to ~77fpe). That is plenty of velocity adjustment range for dialing in pellets and slugs for specific purposes and distances.

The Slash is a fine airgun, light and quiet for such a powerful .25 cal airgun. The magazines are a pleasure to use and so solid that I can't see them breaking.

It seems to me to be best suited for hunting where you might set the regulator to some optimum pressure and then have a few magazines along with different pellets or slugs in them. Especially the slightly shorter version with the 420mm barrel. It's easier to carry than the longer version and the power difference between the two can be reduced with suitable regulator adjustments and ammo selection.

I'll post this one for sale in the classifieds before the end of the summer. By that time we should all have more test results from Slash owners with different calibers and barrel lengths. And maybe some user feedback about the low-power and super-power kits as well.

I've had a few Huben K1s and Leshiy2s in the past. Each of these three semi-auto airgun models tries to stand apart by having a unique design and individual approach for power adjustments. Since the K1 is limited to .25 cal, it can't compete directly with the Slash and Leashiy2 in the .30 cal arena. But any of the models can be configured for light hunting and producing somewhat similar amounts of shot power compared to the other models, depending on the tune.

I think that anyone would be satisfied with the quality and performance and sound of the Slash, within the realm of reasonable expectation. It's easy to get worked up over the potential of a new design - that's how I've ended up with several which I got just so I could have a look and run some basic pellet/velocity/fpe power curve tests like the ones above. Just another retired engineer who only trusts real-world test data to tell an accurate story.

JP
Velocities on slugs wouldn’t be difficult to manage at all. Even if you can’t take the regulator down further you just use a heavier slug… or at least you would if the “slug” magazine could actually hold slugs… yes there are specialty sized slugs but as someone who only shoots slugs and so far only in .25 cal I have to say that while .249 is common .248 or .247 is not as common. Not even sure if I’ve seen a .246. It’s not like in .22 where the range is typically .216-.218… From the perspective of someone who only hunts having my ammo choices be so limited is not ideal at all.

As far as power goes I’m not one to gripe if the numbers are within reason but what you’re reporting is not. Taipan advertises 180j before the power kit. Correct me if I’m wrong but that’s like 134fpe or something no? That’s 50fpe more than what you’re making. It may not seem like much but I was looking to get a slash as my next coyote gun. As someone who hunts them in the deserts of the Southwest I actually have a need for that power. There’s just not much cover here. Even when squirrel hunting most of my shots are between 75-110y.

Raccoon Pellet Choice/Tune (vs plinking)

It's unlikely you'll get a chance for a second shot using a 25 into the body. They'll run like hell with the first hit and you're unlikely to be able to get a second hit unless you at least have a semi-auto might give you a little chance. So if anything less than least a 30 I would suggest only limiting your shots to the brain. With a.25 with 50 FPE into the lungs with 34 grain pellet it most certainly will die but it won't die right there.

Resources  Landscaping Flags as Targets

I ended up with a package of landscaping flags.

Cut off the flag and taped a 3×5 note card to the wire.

Using a set of circle templates I drew the Easy, Moderate, Hard, and Expert, Kill Zones on the note cards as applicable for each distance delineated on the AAFTA Troyer pdf.

Using a tape measure, I stuck the KZs in the ground at the applicable distances and proved that even sitting at a bench shooting off a bipod ........ I suck at field target.

N/A  Is air pistol cheaper in the long run [edit:] than competitive firearms shooting?

I'm not opposed to handpumping at the range/an event or eventually investing in a scuba tank. But out of curiosity, is it feasible to have a spare PCP cylinder to just screw in? So I'd pump two or more cylinders in my own time, and then when I'm at the range or an event I already have it all good-to-go.
Yes! Especially the 10m pistols which usually have air cylinders that can be swapped out!

Different types of Pellets

How did the testing go?
Post in thread 'Karma eq' https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/karma-eq.1331460/post-2000372

The public range where I shoot had personnel problems (somebody didnt show up for work) and I only had about 90min of range time...but at least I was able to go for 50yds.

I'm exploring tethering with a tank. Re-charging with a 12v pump takes too much time...esp with a 2hr limit.
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30-Yard Challenge

Greg, you’re a better man than most. My brain hurts thinking of the extensive testing you did, but we all benefit from your research and testing results.

My FX Trash Cans are 4.52mm 🤗🤗🤗

btw, what speed does your Crown like for 10.3g?
Tom,
Probably should check with Ed on the 10.3's. He has shot those a lot more than I have. I decided early on I wanted the heaviest .177 pellet that shot well for FT. Wind is a huge part of the FT problem at the longer ranges.

Cheers,
Greg
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HATSAN SAD

If I spend $1000 on a new rifle I darn well expect it to function properly out of the box. If I spend $200 for a new one, same expectation. Since I found this place I’ve learned a tremendous amount of useful knowledge and have seen enough bad stories about Hatsan that I just don’t want one. Do some research and don’t get in a hurry, you’ll learn a lot about what not to buy.

Rick H.

N/A  Damage from slug energy

With standard 25g, .25cal pellets running ~750fps, I have had many shoot-thru head shots on gray squirrels. They're dead...but I have to be careful of what's downrange.

80+ squirrels since May...and I've picked up quite a few pellets that could be shot again. I have yet to find a domed one showing expansion.

I would like to see ballistics gel testing with PCPs and common pellets & slugs...in .177, .22, and .25.
Go on youtube and look up dangolwinner he doesn't make YT videos anymore but he's made amazing videos on slugs expanding at point blank range, 50yds and 96yds at high speed and low speed across multiple different brands and weights. There are also many posts on here regarding slug expansion @greenbeans , Myself and @RoosterCogburn have made a few, there are plenty of others.

HATSAN SAD

I'm not an expert on air rifles. But the first 2 pcp's I bought were a hatsun flash and hatsun flashpup in 2021. Bought both from Pyramid Air. The flash leaked less than 2 day's after filling. No I didn't pay extra money for the 10 for 10 from Pyramid Air. I called Pyramid Air and they promptly provided me with hatsun's phone number. I called and was provided a shipping label mailed it to them. Received it back fairly quickly. I don't remember exactly but within 2 weeks . The real problem I think is large corporations not respecting they're customers. I deal with Midway quite a bit as I reload and shoot powder burners a lot. They have the same policy with black powder pistols. Deal with the company it's made by not us. Even though we sold it to you. This seems to be the mantra of big buisness. Stockholders and profits above customers or product quality control. Well I could give several examples. Most people know. Yet the public continues to buy and accept this treatment. So if I have a choice of dealing with a smaller company and pay more I will. Examples for pcp's would be Georgia airguns. You call and talk to the owner. Who takes pride in his work. There's also a couple powder burner companies family owned who answer the phone and take pride in their products. Maybe not always perfect but correct the problem. While other large companies skimp on quality control. And use the customers as quality control. This is a much larger problem than hatsun. I'll get off my pulpit now. Much different world for consumers than when I grew up. Just saying 😁

RTI  Mora .25 probe O-ring size

Just an FYI, the exploded drawing on RTI’s website does not list an O-ring size for the pellet probe. I emailed them and Rok promptly replied with 1.5 x 3.5 Buna 70 is the correct one. They are VERY good at responding to questions. They are an awesome company to work with and equally great guns to shoot as well! Even though they are on the other size of the globe, I’d highly recommend them to anyone Looking for a quality and accurate gun. Thanks again Rok.
Sorry, just saw title 🙃
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N/A  Damage from slug energy

No experience with the Berman, but the ntotos has taken everything from 4" to 5' out to 40yds. Bigger ones took more shots though.

If you can get yourself an akela that would have more than enough power to take down any iguana you want. The .177 will shoot slugs and the .22s wont but they are more than accurate and powerful enough. You can find them at airgunrevisions.com

Yours isn't stock though, my stock notos pushed 14.3gr cp at 730fps, the huben 25cc plenum plus bottle bumped it to 765fps.
Thanks, I will look into it.
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RTI  Mora .25 probe O-ring size

Just an FYI, the exploded drawing on RTI’s website does not list an O-ring size for the pellet probe. I emailed them and Rok promptly replied with 1.5 x 3.5 Buna 70 is the correct one. They are VERY good at responding to questions. They are an awesome company to work with and equally great guns to shoot as well! Even though they are on the other size of the globe, I’d highly recommend them to anyone Looking for a quality and accurate gun. Thanks again Rok.
For which barrel?

N/A  Is air pistol cheaper in the long run [edit:] than competitive firearms shooting?

first off pellets do not know if there going in a rifle or a pistol,pistols are a lot harder to shot.I would get a good Daisey717 747, something like that. Benjamim Marauder or the Crossman 1701 are great PCP that can be hand pumped.Just bring the pump to the range.
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