NAProf said:

Tom,
The reason I know that Crown likes the 4.52's better than the 4.54's is because of the extensive pellet testing I did right after I bought that rifle.

I shot 10 30-yd Challenge cards using pellets randomly chosen from three different tins of FX 13.4 gr pellets purchased from three different vendors (not on purpose - I was shopping around for the best deal). I weighed and measured the head of each pellet and put them in a 100 shot tray (numbered) so I could keep track of them. I then shot them with an SSL each at a single bull on the card, recording the velocity (kept the same tune). After shooting the whole card I would measure the POI of each shot and record. This gave me a ton of data to sort through and to simulate selecting only a certain head size or weight and see what my score would have been.
My conclusion was, for this rifle, there was a slight increase in the average score and a slightly smaller variation in score when I only selected the 4.52's (no matter the weight or velocity). I scored the target our usual way but also looked at vertical dispersion only (to try and eliminate wind as a variable). The 4.52's had a slightly smaller vertical dispersion also. To be honest, this didn't pass the statistical significance test at 95% confidence, but it was close.
This same thing did not happen in my other Crown with either .177 or .22 pellets. I found almost no difference (statistically not close at 95%) from sorting in any way. That was also true with my now long gone .177 Brocock Sniper and .22 and .25 FX King.

My current batch of FX 13.4 gr trash cans from Utah Airguns came with a sticker on the back saying it was 4.52. I have a Pellet Gager set (4.53, 4.52, and 4.51) that lets me check 48 pellets at a time. I use that to see if the first tin in the group gives me good results, then just pull randomly. For FT, I put then in a pellet tray I 3d printed with the skirts up so I can do a visual check to make sure none are badly damaged.

It is amazing what you can do with evenings when you don't watch TV and you are not grading homework, lab reports or tests!

Cheers,
Greg

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jps2486 said:

You are still limited to 20 fpe regardless of the power capabilities of your rifle. If you use 13.4 gr pellets, you are limited to 805 fps. 10.3 or 8.4 a lot higher with flatter trajectory. It’s a matter of choice depending on your rifle and your marksmanship skills. Besides, who cares as long as the target falls?

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uncdav said:

If it's like the elf she will be built like a brick outhouse.

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• Saturday & Sunday – 15 lane 30 target 60 shot rifle FT match
  • Upper Pond Course (Gate B) Saturday
    • Need help taking down the course after the last person is done shooting.
  • Clubhouse Course (Gate A) Sunday
• Practice both days will be at the clubhouse practice range.

Vetmx said:

Do you know this guy personally? Do you know the whole story? It’s very tricky to take sides on the internet. People generally only tell or show you part of the story. Ratzy has them on speed dial and Hatsan is outperforming FX-USA when that warehouse was running. So?

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Dead-On said:

So I gave the filter a try. It would seem you cannot filter just air guns only. You have to pick one of 22 categories. And you can only pick one category. There are four categories for "airguns".

PCP rifle
PCP pistol
Traditional rifle
Traditional pistol

To do just a search for air guns, I would have to do 4 separate searches. Four separate categories. It would be wonderful if you could pick more than one category, but I was unable to do so.

In addition the results are not chronological, regardless of the ascending or descending option.

Sometimes simple is easy.

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Bramezy said:

You are very lucky. I had to file a BBB complaint as after 30 days of no contact and not answering emails or their phones. Then they took another several weeks after that. I vowed to never support that company again.

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Ezana4CE said:

My .357 Rattler shot pellets like crap in all of my attempts. Slugs are another story.

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drdirk said:

I didn't, started it first to see if there is something specific about the rear mount. Then after put a note on the Owners Thread to see what other people measure on their rail. Check the dates and it would have been clear chronologically.

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dp621 said:

Thanks for the tips. I just picked up one of these in .357 and was looking for some ammo suggestions to start with.

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Jezter6 said:

I dont know that 55 only groupings are (entirely) predictive here. While you're considering the maximum distance, you're not really considering KZ size...at least in the way that every 55 yard shot is at least 1.5".

Much of the rifle's TRUE grouping accuracy is going to be how many times you knock down sub-1" targets at or near their maximum extremes.

Looking DIFTA's upcoming match: https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/difta-md-ft-match-saturday-2-august-2025.1335856/

That's 5 targets, 10 shots out of 60 at 1/2 inch or less. I dont care what the close distance troyer rating is...that 3/8" gives no wiggle room for a flyer.

I'm not saying EVERY rifle is gonna group 1.5 or so at 50y, I will say getting X out of 10 inside 1/2" outside-to-outside groups is equally as relevant. What that "X" is to be considered FT capable is obviously up for debate.

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HunterWhiteHead said:

I have witnessed the shift from old technology to new technology several times in my lifetime. I started my working life (after service) working in a factory that used electronic circuits to get 8 phone lines from one copper pair of wires. The economics was that the electronic circuits were cheaper than the copper wire. The short phone lines were still cheaper for copper. When I started the “proving point” was 5000 feet, within a couple of years it was 2000 feet.
There have been many other items buried under new technology.
Bamboo cane fishing poles, wooden pencils vs plastic ones. I can’t even imagine what it was like for an accountant who tried to convince the owner of a construction company that it would save money to equip workers with power tools.
In the 1970’s I saw whole towns out of work when the textile mills moved off-shore, then the garment industries followed. There are thousands more examples. You won’t find many slide rules for sale these days.
It will happen.

Hunter

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Bramezy said:

You are very lucky. I had to file a BBB complaint as after 30 days of no contact and not answering emails or their phones. Then they took another several weeks after that. I vowed to never support that company again.

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Ratzy said:

And I have had just fine Service from Hatsan. Email, phone call didn't matter. Specifically Kadden was without question knowledgeable and helpful.

I lost a small spring, 3 days later I had a new one. Got a little aggressive and broke a gun, didn't have the part in stock, took it off a gun for free. Needed breech oring, 5 in the mail. Had a loose barrel bushing in my Barrage that bent the connecting rod (long after Warranty) new connecting rod.

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