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Jalan · Friday at 9:23 AM

Hello All, this isn't anything but some thoughts from a green new comer to the sport/hobby and just wondering how deep I can dig my hole.
I recently got my first. AV Avenger Bullpup(2) 25 cal. Groundhogs, Raccoons after my chickens, paper, just plinking.
I did allot of research. AV had a summer promotion (15%) so this gun was <$400. Wow. I got a little cheap on the scope, CVLife 2-10 x 32 AO. For the money it's quite good. Compressor; open box smaller one Spiritech. $100 ($275 retail). Same overstock got a great rifle bag, $20 ($80 retail). Then, obviously, pellets.
At this point, my wife asked me, "Do you have everything you need?" ; "Are you sure you don't need anything else?" She wasn't asking to be hard about it, just rather keep our budget and understand.
So.... This is where things took a bit of a turn on me. Simple things, Silicon cloth for wipe down, muzzle cleaning patches, loctite, bubble level kit.
Ok, that outta do it. Looking great. Oops, forgot a few things. Resting it to mount the scope is making me crazy. Needed a small rifle rest. Cheap laser bore to get close(was junk, returned), basic resting sand bags, etc.
Oh, I can't be sure how this things is performing? Ask for advice, everyone said the same thing. "You need a Chrono". That sounds expensive. I found a budget Chinese one that was well reviewed and most guys here agreed.... $50.
Back to my wife; so I needed a few more things. Not overly expensive. She's completely fine but smiling with the "I knew it" look on her face.

Hmmm... Maybe I should upgrade that glass? Those digital pressure gauges look nice. A moderator would do this thing some justice. Wow, some of these higher end guns look amazing. I bet it'd be easier to fill from a bottle.
I knew, like everything, this could be a real rabbit hole. I didn't realize just how much I'd love it. I'm wondering if others out there had a similar experience and where that road led them.

All my best to everyone. Sorry for the long post but it felt good to put it out there....

rickschowengerdt · Friday at 9:23 AM

Good afternoon, it sounds like to me a possibility of maybe the scope is not lined up straight or you did not mention if you have a level on the rifle to make sure you are not canting the rifle a tall target test at 50 yd. Would figure out if it's a scope issue? Or if you might need to index the barrel.. If you need any more information on a tall target test, let me know hope this helps.

subscriber · Friday at 9:21 AM

dnye1986 said:
Are these for sale!!? .30 and 35 cal, 1/2 unf and m18 thread respectively...

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jps2486 · Friday at 9:20 AM

I bought this R7 3 or 4 years ago and thought it shot quite well, although power was on the low side. I took it out recently and did some more shooting across a chrono and the results were dismal. Different weight pellets kinda shot the same-somewhat less than 600 fps. I've been avoiding the teardown of this but decided it was time. I disassembled the rifle and found that the innards were really crappy. The lubricant used on the spring etc was this black, gritty shtuff that looked like it came from one of Hitler's WWII tanks. The spring also had a bit of a curve to it as well and the piston seal was covered with it. Weihrauch should be ashamed of themselves for assembling their guns this way. I bought a Vortek PG4 Delrin tune kit and installed it after cleaning all the gunk inside. The only deviation I made was to coat the piston and seal with moly paste instead of the red grease that comes with the kit. I used that stuff on the spring only. I followed the procedure on the YouTube video made by TbT. It's well worth watching even though you may not buy a Tinbum kit. After installation, I shot it about 20 times and then did more testing on the chrono. Before tuning, it shot JSB 7.87 pellets at 598 fps and after was 684 with a whopping increase of just over 2 fpe. I also shot 7.33, 8.4, 10.3 and 13.4 gr pellets, but the 7.87 was the clear winner. This really made me feel so much better about this rifle, and truly it will be an heirloom in my family. BTW, it has a Corcoran stock on it and a 4-16 Sightron S-Tac scope.

Sergey1972 · Friday at 9:18 AM

Flip the old one over so you are using a new side or double stack.

JimD · Friday at 9:18 AM

I don't think regulators affect accuracy, they affect velocity consistency. But too much velocity variation turns into vertical dispersion of shots so in that sense the regulator improves accuracy. The data provided by JPS2486 is great to illustrate what happens in an unregulated gun. His gun gives him over 100 shots but that is with about 100 fps velocity variation. 100 fps is very noticable. Even half that much and I will adjust my hold point at the start and end of a shot string. I only shoot at 35 yards and less almost all the time because that is all the distance I have at home. For that distance I want to see velocity variation of 20 fps or less. Longer distances may need even tighter velocity variation. If you pick a fairly tight pressure range an unregulated gun can give you 20 fps maximum velocity variation. But a regulated guns can give you a lot more shots within that sort of velocity variation.

It's totally reasonable to ask whether we need a velocity variation of 10 or 20 fps. For most purposes we do not. My one unregulated gun is a Marauder pistol (Prod) and it's tune gives me about 40 fps variation over 20-24 shots. If I shoot a 30 yard challenge target (and I have) I aim high at the start and end of the target. 40 fps moves my point of impact about 1/4 inch at 30 yards. For hitting a squirrel in the head, 1/4 inch is insignificant. For hitting a 1/8th diameter 10 ring it is not. But my Prod has produced a >190 30 yard challenge target. The velocity variation is not an issue in doing better, I can adjust for that. The limitation is my home made stock which flexes for me to feel comfortable shooting it bench rest. With JPS2486's gun, he can easily pick a pressure range that gives him 20 fps or less for enough shots to shoot a target. He may have to adjust his hold or scope if he wants to keep shooting targets but for one target, his gun will give him tight enough velocity variation.

wyzepanda · Friday at 9:17 AM

Will do. Should be able to get out today. Maybe even take a video for you.

manabeknives · Friday at 9:14 AM

Gerry52 said:
First off,wear your glasses. Secondly, is there an adjustable ring (not MAGNIFICATION adjustment) around the ocular (where you look through)? Not familiar with Element but there probably is an adjustment ring to focus in crosshairs.

I agree Gerry ..I wear these while i shoot

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Sergey1972 · Friday at 9:12 AM

Flashpup57 said:
Bakersfield California area if possible I need someone to fill my Scott 4500 PSI carbon fiber tank ! Tried rebuilding my yong heng compressor with no success and really would like to get out and shoot my PCP rifles I will compensate for the fill. Would be very nice today if possible!? Thank you!

Try a paintball store or paintball field. Unless you want to come to Valencia and buy my Tuxing 032. Listed in the classifieds. Make me an offer.

Csbrown5 · Friday at 9:09 AM

I have mine on a daystate using a dovetail 35 MOA and it work great

Roadrunner777 · Friday at 9:04 AM

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Gerry52 · Friday at 9:02 AM

JEFFPPC said:
First off, wear your glasses. Why? Give your reasoning. Every piece of glass in front of your eye degrades your vision to some degree. Safety.....BS, We are adults. We assume many risks, maybe one of the most dangerous is driving to and rtom shooting. Shooting while smoking or drinking alcohol. Shooting out in the sun for hours no hat, sleeveless shirt or none, shorts. Now let me hear your reasoning for glasses?

OK, don't wear YOUR glasses. If it's someone who normally has to wear glasses all day (for both far and near correction) they will see better that way through scope. There's a "Ted's Holdover" video about that. I said NOTHING about all the other things you mentioned. If you don't agree, fine. You don't have to. I DEFINITELY see better through MY scope. No reason to get testy about it.

6gun · Friday at 8:58 AM

I brought my semi auto today to give you a more fair opinion. It's fun, but i spent more time loading than aiming or shooting and I drained my buddy bottle about an hour faster than usual

it's a 20 fpe 22 cal with a 330cc bottle on it. Now I'm shooting an old junk crosman 2100 pump that I was given broken and i fixed. Different preferences for everybody.

jps2486 · Friday at 8:57 AM

It depends on the gun and how well it's engineered. Cheap guns may not work well unregulated and probably don't work well regulated either. My Daystate Revere in .177 cal is unregulated and gets around 90 shots per fill. The velocity curve is not quite flat but good enough. If you want to, you can shoot it between the pressures that will give you the most consistency.

Ta-Ta Toothie · Friday at 8:55 AM

Ouch!

Bear-of-Grayling · Friday at 8:54 AM

Gas rams do create an instant snap that springs do not. This may be more detrimental to scopes. However, some gas rams are adjustable. So in this case total control is there to tone the shot cycle down.

jps2486 · Friday at 8:52 AM

Daystate Wolverine R. I get at least 160 shots per fill at just under 20 fpe.

Bear-of-Grayling · Friday at 8:49 AM

DesertSilver said:
The only gas piston springer I've had any experience with is my hatsan 135 and I don't think any scope could possibly survive on that monster. It recoils forward so violently it stings my trigger finger.

Hatsans have a unique “SAS” system. Shock Absorber System. It is very effective. The entire receiver system moves forward upon piston impact. I have had a inexpensive “Sniper” brand scope on two 135’s and several 95’s. All have held up .

Nooyen T · Friday at 8:48 AM

I haven’t been here in awhile. Was wondering if anyone has any firsthand knowledge or experience with the MAX 1? It looked to be a pretty nice set up with some good stats.

LayeredOgre · Friday at 8:43 AM

Depending on the size of the buddy tank, that sounds like great shot count to me. 3200psi is probably around the reg set point from the factory. Just a guess I don’t own one, but looking into it…!
Try shooting from 7000psi and no buddy tank, and note the gun’s reg and tank pressures to see where your reg is set and at what shot the gun is dropping off reg.
Thanks for the info!

Racer88 · Friday at 8:40 AM

rcarlisle said:
I think reliability is my primary concern with semi-auto airguns. There's just not a lot of energy to spare for a semi-auto action to operate on an airgun. Everything has to work perfectly in order for that tiny bit of spare energy to do it's job. Firearms generate massive energy and can operate a semi-auto action normally even when conditions are not ideal. The expectation is that a semi-auto airgun would be as reliable as a semi-auto firearm but reports don't bear that out in my opinion.

That makes sense to me.

HFDALAN · Friday at 8:39 AM

Any way found a solution to the problem, simple case of cost, Die = £300 / Crown = £70.
Took the grinder to the crown, and found a film of lead between the two die pieces, which im assuming put preassure on the crown screw.

357cal · Friday at 8:36 AM

Several years ago, an old friend of mine purchased one and strongly recommended that I get one as well, praising its high power and great accuracy. At the time, I owned an A .357 Big Bore Challenger and was initially hesitant, thinking, "It has no magazine?" However, I decided to purchase it regardless, now I own the .308. It turned out to be the best decision I could have made. As a hunting PCP, you will not find anything in terms of power, accuracy, and weight.

Scotay42 · Friday at 8:34 AM

Semi Auto cons.
AEA/karma= crap triggers, AEA is not reliable and cheap mags.
Huben= mags not removable, very easy to eat pellets fast.
Evanix=slow action, not a great trigger but better than AEA, small count mags.
Leshiy= small mags, trigger has to be punched a bit to not hiss.
Huben and leshiy have good triggers, not great but good, huben with the edge. I have owned all of these,but the Karma( spoke to owners), the only ones i would buy again is a leshiy2 or a gk1. The rest is not worth the time. Then i run into pellet usage and consumption. If you really want semiauto, just get a ruger 22/45 and bulk ammo. Cheap and does it reliably always.

elh0102 · Friday at 8:33 AM

Regulated guns have become the norm among higher end air rifles, but I'm not sure that is really justified in application. If shot-to-shot consistency is critical for your use, and the number needed is greater than the sweet spot can provide in a non-regulated rifle, than a regulator is of real value. But, if you can take the extra time to watch your fill pressure and the pressure drop while shooting, then a non-regulated rifle should work fine. Why consider it? Well, when I think of the parts in the assembly of most air rifles, the regulator is usually among the highest risk for repair or maintenance. Not that the risk is great, but on a relative basis, it is close to the top. I see it as more of a convenience than a necessity, unless you are competitive shooter. If you are considering a higher end rifle, then it's almost moot, because they are virtually all regulated.

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