cavedweller said:

Ahhh .... i'm not an airgun aficionado but learning that Benjamin-Sheridans is "a thing" is very cool. To me they are all Sheridans.

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My Sheridan .20 was made in 1977 , still accurate still just as powerful @ 8 pumps . (i usually only pump 4 times for 16 yard small spinner targets )

Ok guys my Vapormax came in today so I wanted to do a little review. First thoughts are the stock feels pretty solid for it being all plastic it does shoulder well and the pump arm doesn't seem to flex much. The action and magazines are a little sticky but I'm sure they will smooth out as I shoot it more. The trigger is a little heavy averaging 5.7 lbs but does break well and is not overly long. Pumping is pretty easy to 5 pumps but not heavy at 10.
Ok now to the shooting, my house is at 7000' (2133m) so all my air guns except my pcp and co2 guns have a disadvantage but I can say this gun shoots accurately and pretty hard here are some velocities with a few pelles,
Gamo Platinum 5.4gn
2 pumps 546.3
5 pumps 790.4
10 pumps 916.5
Max Energy 10.074 ft lb

Crosman premier 7.9gn
2 pumps 414.9
5 pumps 626.6
10 pumps 771.8
Max Energy 10.451

Meisterkugeln 7gn
2 pumps 468.8
5 pumps 662.4
10 pumps 807.9
Max Energy 10.147

JSB Exact Heavy 10.34gn
2 pumps 443.5
5 pumps 610.3
10 pumps 695.2
Max Energy 11.099

Here's some targets shot at 15 yards with 5 pumps straight out of the box



So far I'm really liking this, I will be putting a scope on it so more accuracy testing to come.

Fenian said:

Hey
Can I just ask, and I openly admit not knowing enough, but what’s the benefit of 3-12 versus 5-20?
Like I said it’s for small pesting up to 50 yards at night backyard.
Not for rimfire at all! Airgun only.

Second, is it just digital night vision or an infrared?

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As stated above, the 5-20 will give better resolution at lower magnification, meaning if shooting rats at 50 yards, little of no magnification is needed to get good shot placement, but a 3-12 would need some magnification, which will degrade the resolution of your sight picture and video if you are recording the shot. The Zulus have built-in IR that works very well out to around 75 yards, so you shouldn't need an additional IR Lamp.

slickmamba said:

Was hoping to keep it under $200-250, I'll be keeping my eye on the members marketplace here for good deals too. I just thought .22 would be more humane/stopping power, and potentially quieter(at least on the breaknecks we started off with).

Yes definitely headshots only. I will probably make another post later about budget quiet PCPs(storm rider, gamo arrow, urban, flash, etc). Pumping and breakneck is too hard for my dad to do, so I don't mind hand pumping a PCP every week or so for him.

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PP700 /750 are good accurate pistols . rifles by adding a stock and they are threaded for a Moderator / silencer (same thing ) some people use moderator so the Silencer word is not present .

Treefrog said:

Yeah, that confused me as well. (I had to look them up.) He meant Benjamin-Sheridans. I don't consider them to be Sheridans because they're a mash up of Sheridan and Benjamin designs.

Cheers,

J~

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cavedweller said:

unfortunately the humor is lost "on me" for this particular "joke", as i can be slow on the uptake sometimes.

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It will of course take any humor out of it but my post was an answer to the video about Marshal amp pots going to 11 instead of 10. Bypassing the volume pot altogether will take it past 11.
An 11+ switch.

Other than that, you will have to ask AirNGasman.

Thanks for your answers.
I may have been a bit imprecise there.
Of course, I'm aware that the rifle needs to be readjusted to the lighter pellets.
I was just curious whether, with a good setup, you could achieve a similarly high shot count.
As you explained with your Vereran Long example, this is quite possible. Thanks for that.

Here is what I posted in another thread about the new DNT Zulus V2:

I got my Zulus V2 Friday and set it up yesterday. Not sure I'm a fan of the built in memory. I did the firmware update and then received a memory card error (with no way to swap it for a good one) and it wouldn't record. Luckily, I was able to clear it by rebooting the scope and it all seems to be working well now, but what happens if it fails in the future? I like the new menu system, but not sure why they had to flip-flop all the controls on the top of the scope, it makes it confusing when you have a couple Zulus V1's and know where the buttons are and what they do! I haven't compared the video recordings yet, but I don't really notice a big difference with the internal view. I'm not sure it's worth the extra $100 for the V2.

Another oddity... The 21700 batteries that come with it are just a tad narrower than the 21700 batteries sold on Amazon. I have ordered two separate sets of 21700 batteries and both sets won't fit in the battery compartment of the Zulus V2. So, if these batteries that came with the V2 die, you may be out of luck ordering replacements from anywhere but DNT! And, if the memory dies or gets corrupt, and it's outside the warranty, it may be an expense to replace it if it has to be sent in to do so. The one positive I found, it does connect to my phone a lot better than the V1, but so far that's the only real improvement I'm seeing... I kind of regret getting the V2, and I wish I had just spent the few dollars more and gotten the V1 LRF model.


I have 2 Zulus 520HD V1 scopes, 1 312HD V1, 520HD-LRF V1 and 1 520HD V2. IMHO, the best one is the 520HD-LRF V1. Best bang for the buck is the 520HD V1 @ just over $300!

To address your question about the 520HD over the 312HD, If I were shooting larger prey and longer distances, the 312HD would be great for its greater field of view. But for shooting rats and mice at 50 yards or less (which is primarily what I do), the 520HD is perfect! I rarely use zoom power over 7.5X and the sight view is very crisp and clear. Also, if you choose to record a video of your shot, it will be clearer at the lower magnifications. So, essentially the more you zoom in, the more degraded the view do to pixelation. None of these scopes use optical zoom, only digital zoom, so the higher the zoom power, the lower the resolution. For this reason, shooting a rat at 5 power is going to be way clearer on the 520HD than 5 power on the 312HD scope. I hope this helps.

you are are Wealth of Knowledge my friend…I appreciate your comments…my 2 biggest heroes in this department’s are …Bob Munden and Jerry Charles Miculek Jr….I also picked up a couple of Crosman Shiloh and a couple of Peacemaker 44…the Shiloh can’t do a fanning …not sure about the peacemaker yet…thanks Marker

beerthief said:

no you would just have to make one , the picture was just to give you the idea . the link to 1377 or 22 for sale was the first one i googled and a bit higher $$ but the same can be found for less if you do a search . what are you thinking of for $$$ , to be honest the 1377 will kill a rat but you do not want to body shoot anything , it will crawl home die and stink . shoot only in the head and if necessary walk up to it and shoot again maybe a few times .

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Was hoping to keep it under $200-250, I'll be keeping my eye on the members marketplace here for good deals too. I just thought .22 would be more humane/stopping power, and potentially quieter(at least on the breaknecks we started off with).

Yes definitely headshots only. I will probably make another post later about budget quiet PCPs(storm rider, gamo arrow, urban, flash, etc). Pumping and breakneck is too hard for my dad to do, so I don't mind hand pumping a PCP every week or so for him.

slickmamba said:

Wow that extended lever looks great, do you know where I could get one? I tried googling crossman 13xx/1322/1377 extended lever arm but nothing came up besides longer wood grips.

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no you would just have to make one , the picture was just to give you the idea . the link to 1377 or 22 for sale was the first one i googled and a bit higher $$ but the same can be found for less if you do a search . what are you thinking of for $$$ , to be honest the 1377 will kill a rat but you do not want to body shoot anything , it will crawl home die and stink . shoot only in the head and if necessary walk up to it and shoot again maybe a few times . EDIT these are not that loud but again not that quiet , Their are slip on adaptors to make it a threaded barrel (1/2 X20 is standard size .
Also a word of warning most places have laws about shooting in town so if your going to do this do not say a word to ANYBODY . , keep it a secret

Maybe poison if you don't have pets ?

igolfat8 said:

@EPG and @tommyb thanks for the encouragement guys. Heading to the range again today. With more 6-9 winds with gusts to 17 forecast for today, seems lots of patience are in order... Plan to work some 50Y N50 practice in too since we have another match this coming Saturday.

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Hey, we’ll forgive you for Saturday’s N50 match if you are a bit lower in scoring than usual. The important focus is on the right task for September 17th start. The continued 100 yard practice in these winds has to help your PAC strategy.

Regardless of any future results, you’ll meet some great colleagues and friends from past matches and make indelible memories.

Tim - does PAC have a 100Y slug Benchrest venue? I’m guessing ‘no,’ but some of you guys might try and push the idea for future consideration, only if enough of the pellet only shooters want to see it. Might be too much logistically to include.

This is Weihrauch’s gauge.
Not half the gun without it, or a similar. Crow

beerthief said:

Adding more power will increase the amount of force required to pump . adding length to the pump handle will make it easier to pump would be easy to add to the1377 or 1322 see picture you could even make it a few inches longer along the bottom of the grips . www.airgundepot.com/crosman-1322-air-pistol-black.html . many places sell these View attachment 587242

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Wow that extended lever looks great, do you know where I could get one? I tried googling crossman 13xx/1322/1377 extended lever arm but nothing came up besides longer wood grips.

This one: 2 x M2.5 x 10mm S/S Socket Head Screws + 2mm Wrench. Gamo CAT/SAT Trigger Fix

I remove the stock trigger screw, screw in the 10mm all the way in then back up the screw 3.5 turns. End up with 2lb. trigger!!!

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cavedweller said:

Ahhh .... i'm not an airgun aficionado but learning that Benjamin-Sheridans is "a thing" is very cool. To me they are all Sheridans.

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OHHHHHHHHHHHHH their might be long past Sheridan owners rolling in their graves right now !

AmericanPitCorsojay said:

140-150-167 Mr hollow point is shooting good.

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I tried the 125gr and 142gr nsa slugs this past week but there must be something up with my rattler. It was only sending the 125gr slugs downrange at around 700-710fps. When I tried to increase the regulator pressure I was met with a bunch of air dumping after each shot. Thinking I brought it up too far I turned it down 10ish clicks but the same extremely low shot count and poor performance beyond 50y. I ran out of time but I'm going to have to do some digging next time I can take it out.

I've used both .25 and .22 calibers Taipan Veterans. The larger caliber is definitely more efficient with air usage. Tuned to the same FPE, the .25 caliber was getting 50% more shots on the regulator compared to the .22 caliber. On the other hand, tuned to the same reg pressure, the .25 was getting about 17 FPE more than the .22 and both guns were getting the exact same shot count at those tunes.

I don't have experiences with other guns of multiple calibers but I've seen specs and user tests where the difference between a small and larger calibers don't come close to what I saw with my Veterans. I come to the belief that, yes, a bigger caliber will generally be more air efficient than smaller caliber but to what extent also largely depends on the design of the gun such as the porting, valves, etc..

Also, from my experiences with my own guns, the higher the tunes, and the closer it get to the gun's theoretical maximum, the MORE air it uses. Going back to my Taipan Veteran Standard in .25 caliber, at 44 FPE it's getting 60 shots on the reg. However, maxed at at 55 FPE, it's only getting around 28 shots on the reg.

My Veteran Long at 40 FPE was getting about 40 shots on the reg. Tuned down to 30 FPE and it's more than double at 90 shots.

And to address your last question, no, you can't change a gun's FPE by simply changing the projectile weights. You have to actually change the gun's tuning.

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slickmamba said:

Hey guys, I've been looking for a gun to get my dad to help with his pest problem. He's done traps and everything but some of the rats and squirrels just dont go for them. He is in a very urban setting so the gun needs to be quiet. I got him a hatsan airtract, and a umatrex prymex but it was too much for him to get cocked and too loud even after cleaning the barrel.

We tried the crossman and its hard for him to get up to 10+ pumps, but maybe with some mods it could be more manageable. For mods, something that makes the pumping easier, or that gets more power out of each pump would be ideal, he would mostly be shooting fairly close 5-15m and for rats, gophers, squirrels. And obviously a moderator/suppressor(still not really sure the difference), to quiet it down. I've seen Buck Rail seems to be the go to for that side. I saw the post yesterday about the adjustable flat top and valve to increase power, so will look into that as well and whatever other recs you all have.

I've also considered some budget PCP and hand pump like a storm rider, or a refurb hatsan or something. Thanks AGN!

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Adding more power will increase the amount of force required to pump . adding length to the pump handle will make it easier to pump would be easy to add to the1377 or 1322 see picture you could even make it a few inches longer along the bottom of the grips . www.airgundepot.com/crosman-1322-air-pistol-black.html . many places sell these

Treefrog said:

Yeah, that confused me as well. (I had to look them up.) He meant Benjamin-Sheridans. I don't consider them to be Sheridans because they're a mash up of Sheridan and Benjamin designs.

Cheers,

J~

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Ahhh .... i'm not an airgun aficionado but learning that Benjamin-Sheridans is "a thing" is very cool. To me they are all Sheridans.

I have the very first surfaced MK2, and all my upgrades were performance oriented vs cosmetics.
Today I think it far exceeds the M3, but I just could not justify drilling into action block only to have the Reg gage moved over there.
Now this new trigger really tickling my interest.
Looks like the MK2 is finally getting that surgery as well I was waiting long for it.